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SirStefan32
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Uh, no he's not. I love Lou as much as the next guy, but he is not even remotely close to Lee in any way, shape or form.
I do think Lee is somewhat overrated, but saying that Lou is almost as good is just ridiculous.
Lee is a legitimate 15-18 points/ 10-12 rebounds per game while shooting between 55 and 60% from the field and 70-80% from the line.
Lee is hell of a lot closer to Stoudemire than Lou is to Lee.
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I just dont trust a white guy banging around inside. No racism intended, but black Americans look more intimidating than white guys. 
So in retrospect, what you are saying is Lee is better than Stoudemire. I disagree. Their stats are pretty similar but i think Amare has a better shooting percentage, i also think Amare impact a game more than Lee does even after all the surgeries.
I just dont trust a white guy banging around inside. No racism intended, but black Americans look more intimidating than white guys.
That is ignorant and racist. Please go away now.
joshstmarie
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No, no thats not what he's saying at all.
You know for a group of people (suns fans) that constantly complain about amares lack of rebounding/hustle ect im surprised stat suddenly has all these backers instead of getting a blue collar dude like lee who IIRC was 2nd in the nba in double doubles behind dwight howard.
Not to mention he will make a third less then what amare will be looking for.
overseascardfan
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Finally, a post that makes sense.
Divide Et Impera
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I've been calling for an Amare for Lee trade for probably 3 years and I stand behind that today. That dude would bring probably 15/12 here and free us up to get more talent. Give me Lee over Amare any day of the week....
That is definitely a logic that trumps defending Amare, cant argue with that
Yet, he could not bring them to be relevant in a terrible conference, not even close to what Dwight did for the Magic.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
I am not sure how you got that out of my post. I said that there is less of a gap between Lee and Amare than between Lou and Lee.
In other word:
Lee is much better than Lou.
Amare is a bit better than Lee.
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Amare is a marginal star.
Lee is a solid starter.
Lou is a good role player, and an energy guy off the bench.
Of course Amare is better than Lee, but Lee at $10 mil is better than Amare at $20 mil. Lou, who is a great energy guy off the bench can not even be compared to Lee.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
You are missing the point. Nobody is saying that Lee has the same impact that Howard does. Howard is a legitimate superstar.
We are simply saying that Lee is an excellent player at up to $10 mil per year. Nobody is saying that he is the second coming of Hakeem or Tim Duncan. He is not a superstar. He is not even an all-star. If anything, he reminds me of David West- a solid starter, hard working power forward that rebounds, plays some D and can give you some points in the process by posting up or by shooting jumpers, or even by grabbing offensive boards.
joshstmarie
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come on. do i even have to touch this comment? supporting cast. case closed?
Sorry for posting again, but the trade forum seems a bit abandoned this time of the year and while you're talking about David Lee I wanted to share my idea:
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OK, maybe we could really think about some changes if our duo (Batman&Robin aka Stat&JRich) keep disappointing us on a regular basis...
What about this one:
HOUSTON: IN: JRich (PHX) and Mobley (NY)
NEW YORK: IN: Stat (PHX) and Tucker (PHX)
PHOENIX: IN: TMac (HOU) and Lee (NY) and Chandler (NY)
Would work perfectly salary-wise, but I don't think New York would be stupid enough to to it, or would they?
Anyway, Houston would get an upgrade over an out of favor T-Mac at the SG and an expirer in Mobley. Phoenix would get a very cheap contract of Wilson Chandler and two 1-year contracts with big potential.
New York on the other hand...would get rid of Mobley and David Lee would not walk for nothing. Wilson has not always been a starter this season so who knows...if they get a somehow healthy Stoudemire and let Nate go like they are planing to - maybe there is still hope for a big FA name.
HOUSTON: Out: 22,8 M / In: 22,8 M (perfect match)
NEW YORK: Out: 17,7 M / In: 17,5 M (pretty good too)
PHOENIX: Out: 30,6 M / In: 31,1 M (also, but way better contracts)
Starters: NASH / TMAC / HILL / FRYE / LEE
2nd Unit: DRAGIC / BARBOSA / DUDLEY / CHANDLER / LOU
Future/bench: CLARK / LOPEZ / COLLINS / GRIFFIN
What do you think? In my opinion we would get better but only if Tracy would stay healthy of course - but he's got a better chance of it than Stat I guess...PLUS we would finally have a guy very capable of creating his own shot besides Nash.
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OK, maybe we could really think about some changes if our duo (Batman&Robin aka Stat&JRich) keep disappointing us on a regular basis...
What about this one:
HOUSTON: IN: JRich (PHX) and Mobley (NY)
NEW YORK: IN: Stat (PHX) and Tucker (PHX)
PHOENIX: IN: TMac (HOU) and Lee (NY) and Chandler (NY)
Would work perfectly salary-wise, but I don't think New York would be stupid enough to to it, or would they?
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Anyway, Houston would get an upgrade over an out of favor T-Mac at the SG and an expirer in Mobley. Phoenix would get a very cheap contract of Wilson Chandler and two 1-year contracts with big potential.
New York on the other hand...would get rid of Mobley and David Lee would not walk for nothing. Wilson has not always been a starter this season so who knows...if they get a somehow healthy Stoudemire and let Nate go like they are planing to - maybe there is still hope for a big FA name.
HOUSTON: Out: 22,8 M / In: 22,8 M (perfect match)
NEW YORK: Out: 17,7 M / In: 17,5 M (pretty good too)
PHOENIX: Out: 30,6 M / In: 31,1 M (also, but way better contracts)
Starters: NASH / TMAC / HILL / FRYE / LEE
2nd Unit: DRAGIC / BARBOSA / DUDLEY / CHANDLER / LOU
Future/bench: CLARK / LOPEZ / COLLINS / GRIFFIN
What do you think? In my opinion we would get better but only if Tracy would stay healthy of course - but he's got a better chance of it than Stat I guess...PLUS we would finally have a guy very capable of creating his own shot besides Nash.
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Is this Wilson Chandler you're talking about? Very good trade for the suns, but the Knicks might think they are gicing up a bit much? Anyways with Amare's big contract, do they lose the cap space to be able to sign LeBron?
Stupid tax - I guess it's unlikely to happen for New York if they really plan on landing the bighead from Cleveland. They already have a very high payroll - BUT they will get rid of Curry, Harrington, Milicic and Hughes next year - a total of over 41 millions! And they might gonna buy out Nate. Even Duhon has only one year left, worth about another 6 millions...
Just for fun - if they would not wanna give up Chandler this would also work for all sides I think:
SUNS IN: T-Mac (HOU), Lee (NY), Landry (NY) [29,6 out/30,3 in]
ROCKETS IN: J-Rich (PHX), Mobley (NY) [22,8 out/22,8 in]
KNICKS IN: Stoudemire (PHX) [17,0 out/16,3 in]
Would be nice to have Wilson here but this would still make us better than we are right now (besides a good night from Stat, yes). And basically, if Clark will improve we won't really be needing him anyway.
- I guess it's unlikely to happen for New York if they really plan on landing the bighead from Cleveland. They already have a very high payroll - BUT they will get rid of Curry, Harrington, Milicic and Hughes next year - a total of over 41 millions! And they might gonna buy out Nate. Even Duhon has only one year left, worth about another 6 millions...Just for fun - if they would not wanna give up Chandler this would also work for all sides I think:
SUNS IN: T-Mac (HOU), Lee (NY), Landry (NY) [29,6 out/30,3 in]
ROCKETS IN: J-Rich (PHX), Mobley (NY) [22,8 out/22,8 in]
KNICKS IN: Stoudemire (PHX) [17,0 out/16,3 in]
Would be nice to have Wilson here but this would still make us better than we are right now (besides a good night from Stat, yes). And basically, if Clark will improve we won't really be needing him anyway.
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slinslin
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That would be horrible... Amare is clearly much better than Lee. He is back in form and our best player by a big margin..averaging better than 21 and 11 this month despite not getting a lot of shots.
If you want to talk about Suns problems talk about the style, Jason Richardson making ******** passes and other dumb plays, no scoring of the bench. Nobody capable of makeing plays in the halfcourt except Amare sometimes or Nash.
Lee is a stat stuffer on a horrible team.
If you want to talk about Suns problems talk about the style, Jason Richardson making ******** passes and other dumb plays, no scoring of the bench. Nobody capable of makeing plays in the halfcourt except Amare sometimes or Nash.
Lee is a stat stuffer on a horrible team.
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What about with Philly?
PHI RECEIVE: Stoudemire, Richardson, Barbosa, Lopez
PHX RECEIVE: Dalembert, Igoudala, Speights, Green
Nash/Dragic
Igoudala/Green
Hill/Dudley/Clark
Speights/Frye/Amundsen
Dalembert/Collins
We get a rebounding center in Dalembert, a great young player in Speights and the scoring power of Igoudala.
PHI RECEIVE: Stoudemire, Richardson, Barbosa, Lopez
PHX RECEIVE: Dalembert, Igoudala, Speights, Green
Nash/Dragic
Igoudala/Green
Hill/Dudley/Clark
Speights/Frye/Amundsen
Dalembert/Collins
We get a rebounding center in Dalembert, a great young player in Speights and the scoring power of Igoudala.
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I don't know, Nash and the Suns made Marion and other guys look like superstars - David Lee already puts up great stats so he should even improve his game as a Sun. Personally, I like the game of Lee - although he is not as tough and powerful as Stat and he will never be.
Scoring itself seems to be the problem nowadays - and Amare plays a big part in it. His inconsistancy and turnovers are killing us and after a night with 30 and 12 usually one with 20 and 6 follows.
What happened to his hands? He used to catch Steve's passes so easily but now...anyway the point is that he might wanna leave the Suns anyway. And it that case this is not a bad deal at all.
Yes, Jason's dumb play is a big part, bigger than Amare's - but to be able to move him this would be one of the few possibilites where we would get a scoring threat right back.
No bench scoring? Hell ya, cause Alvin has no bench these days! Either he won't play them like Clark and Lopez or they are hurt like LB. I hated the commentary yesterday where they pointed the bench scoring out. BIG DEAL if the Suns are playing with 7,5 players and the opponent has a full squad...
But it doesn't matter what we all think - it's Kerr's and Sarver's decision of what direction we will be heading the next years.
slinslin
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Inconsistancy? Have you seen the games this month? He is clearly our most consistent player right now, absolutely on par with Nash if not more consistent this month.
joshstmarie
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maybe for the last week and a half... certainly not at the beginning of the month.
I have seen each and every game this season (and all games the last couple of years) so I know what I'm talking about.
Inconsistancy:
- disappearing in the second half after scoring very easily in the first
- just plain throwing the ball off his body for no reason making Nash think twice passing to him
- putting the ball way to low and allowing small guards like Blake or Bayless to just strip him off the ball
- having a great game and the next day a very mediocre one
- not showing the effort every game - like his no-jumps at tipoff or by letting his man drive to the basket without even trying to contest - or by suddenly not making his freethrows (he is a great FT shooter so I think that's a pure mind thing)
=> ERGO, no max. player. End of story - if he really wants to get that much he will have to look elsewhere, Sarver won't be that stupid and honestly I don't think he deserves the MAX. Still our most entertaining weapon besides Steve but situations change and he keeps focusing more about his stats and the stupid all-star game than winning with the Suns right now. Sorry, but this is fact. Don't get me wrong, I used to love Amare but I just can't pretend that he is something he cleary never will be...
Inconsistancy:
- disappearing in the second half after scoring very easily in the first
- just plain throwing the ball off his body for no reason making Nash think twice passing to him
- putting the ball way to low and allowing small guards like Blake or Bayless to just strip him off the ball
- having a great game and the next day a very mediocre one
- not showing the effort every game - like his no-jumps at tipoff or by letting his man drive to the basket without even trying to contest - or by suddenly not making his freethrows (he is a great FT shooter so I think that's a pure mind thing)
=> ERGO, no max. player. End of story - if he really wants to get that much he will have to look elsewhere, Sarver won't be that stupid and honestly I don't think he deserves the MAX. Still our most entertaining weapon besides Steve but situations change and he keeps focusing more about his stats and the stupid all-star game than winning with the Suns right now. Sorry, but this is fact. Don't get me wrong, I used to love Amare but I just can't pretend that he is something he cleary never will be...
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B-Dogg
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What about this swap, seems like it makes some sense. J-Rich is expendable and Houston might bite for McGrady, even if McGrady is done he comes off the books next year anyways and Houston is really motivated to move him.
overseascardfan
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If McGrady is healthy then yes, but if he is just going to sit on the bench we might as well keep Richardson. His expiring contract is appealing, if he can be half the player he once was it would be worth it to see what he can do for half a year.
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Sunburn
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Am I the only one who keeps noticing Amare bricking dunks? Knees. . . tick tick tick
