Chance Warmack and Barrett Jones. The overhaul that we need is right there for us

[Mitch]

Agreed. Keep Levi at LT, draft Warmack, and then maybe get more competition at RG/C.

Instantly offensive line upgrade.

And hire a HC who understands that Levi Brown needs help versus the very good speed rushers.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

And hire a HC who understands that Levi Brown needs help versus the very good speed rushers.

Yep, one of many silly stubborn things that ultimately led to the demise of Whiz.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Draft Warmack at pick 7 and then find a way to move up into the later stages of the 1st and draft Wilson at QB because Wilson will not last into the second in my opinion

 

[Chopper0080]

The bolded also describes half the present OG's in the NFL. Most who have played there most of their careers have the leverage aspect down. I think Levi could handle it at this stage of his NFL career.

GB's line was pretty horrid too this year. Colledge is usually at least average. I think they could have used average this year. Rogers continues to bail a below average line out.

From a football standpoint, what makes you think that Levi can handle it at this stage of his career? I don't believe his feet have gotten any better since he came into the league, he doesn't have a great get off or change of direction which is proven in his struggles with speed rushers. He is also tall which puts him at a leverage disadvanatage.

I just want one of the Levi Brown or Bobby Massie to OG proponents to give me legitimate football reasons why they think the move can work other than "Leonard Davis did it" or "I think he can do it".

As far as Green Bay's line this year, it has nothing to do with Daryn Colledge. Daryn Colledge was drafted as an OT, and played LT for the Packers. He was so bad they moved him inside to OG. He then showed how OTs can't all play OG and was bad enough for them to let him go.

 

[bg7brd]

From a football standpoint, what makes you think that Levi can handle it at this stage of his career? I don't believe his feet have gotten any better since he came into the league, he doesn't have a great get off or change of direction which is proven in his struggles with speed rushers. He is also tall which puts him at a leverage disadvanatage.

I just want one of the Levi Brown or Bobby Massie to OG proponents to give me legitimate football reasons why they think the move can work other than "Leonard Davis did it" or "I think he can do it".

As far as Green Bay's line this year, it has nothing to do with Daryn Colledge. Daryn Colledge was drafted as an OT, and played LT for the Packers. He was so bad they moved him inside to OG. He then showed how OTs can't all play OG and was bad enough for them to let him go.

Thanks for all of your input on this Chopper. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a lot about O-line play but my thought is that Levi is strong enough to handle the interior and a he's a good run blocker. His problem in my my eyes is that he can't handle the outside speed rush. My thought is that moving him inside should improve his pass blocking.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Give me Chance Warmack (Alabama) in round 1, and Travis Frederick (Wisconsin) in round 3 right now. That leaves us a 2nd rounder to get creative with, and doesn't require trading up. Both are very physical, and Frederick also can play OG so he brings versatility.

Those two players would be tremendous in what they would bring to this team.

That's amazing. I was going to post the EXACT same 2 guys in a mock I was doing. Thanks for ruining it .

My mock was going to be:
Warmack-OG
Wilson-QB
Frederick-OG
Ellington-RB
Bostic-ILB

 

[Mr. Boldin]

That's amazing. I was going to post the EXACT same 2 guys in a mock I was doing. Thanks for ruining it .

My mock was going to be:
Warmack-OG
Wilson-QB
Frederick-OG
Ellington-RB
Bostic-ILB

I would be very happy with that draft.

 

[WildBB]

From a football standpoint, what makes you think that Levi can handle it at this stage of his career? I don't believe his feet have gotten any better since he came into the league, he doesn't have a great get off or change of direction which is proven in his struggles with speed rushers. He is also tall which puts him at a leverage disadvanatage.

I just want one of the Levi Brown or Bobby Massie to OG proponents to give me legitimate football reasons why they think the move can work other than "Leonard Davis did it" or "I think he can do it".

As far as Green Bay's line this year, it has nothing to do with Daryn Colledge. Daryn Colledge was drafted as an OT, and played LT for the Packers. He was so bad they moved him inside to OG. He then showed how OTs can't all play OG and was bad enough for them to let him go.

Saying that GB's line sure hasn't improved AT ALL. So apparently he wasn't as bad as you make it sound. He was average and they didn't want to pay him.

And agree that Levi probably wouldn't make a superior OG. But he has enough smarts, strength and ability to handle the position. Not that they would pay him OT money to do it, so it's mtl moot anyway.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's amazing. I was going to post the EXACT same 2 guys in a mock I was doing. Thanks for ruining it .

My mock was going to be:
Warmack-OG
Wilson-QB
Frederick-OG
Ellington-RB
Bostic-ILB

I just saw this after I posted on your mock draft pacg. Great minds converge on ASFN.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yup! We are in no man's land. Too low for the two best left tackles and possibly too high for Chance Warmack. In that case, I'd probably take Warmack anyway.

Too high ?

That is the thinking that got us Michael Floyd instead of Cordy Glenn, or Dont'a Hightower....you know two players that would have actually improved the team.


If the player you want is there, then take him. The spots in the draft are slotted now, so what is the difference ?

Someone going to make fun of the pick at that time, ala Bruce Irvin last draft ?

Ask Seattle who is laughing now.

If Warmack is there at 7 you sprint to the podium and pick him.

 

[Goldfield]

+1

Kelemete is raw, but 1st and foremost the guy can move the pile. Which is severely lacking in the Cardinals current offensive linemen.

So, tired of watching Reggie Wells, or Lyle Sendlein, or Rex Hadnot, or Daryn Colledge, or Adam Snyder getting stalemated at the line at best, and driven backwards into the RB at worst. I won't even talk about Rich Ohrnberger, flippin' the Max Hall of offensive guards.

The best thing about Warmack is how scary athletic he is for his size. I don't see him having any problems getting to the 2nd level in the pros. I just don't see how the Cardinals pass him up if he is there in the 1st round.

We don't need another Michael Floyd pick to ruin a chance to pick a football player that will better the team. I said Dont'a Hightower last year, and was 100% right. He should have been the pick. Arrogant statement ? You betcha, but I will stand by it.

This year it is Warmack. Guy like that is, like drafting 3 players. You get a "plug & play" guard, which then improves your running game (better RB), and then the better blocking, and better running game improves your passing game (QB).

Seriously, no more over-hyped skills players please, or reaching for QB's when the QB's coming out next year will be plentiful, IMO.

Hopefully the Cardinals will FINALLY get it right and invest on the line.

OT: Levi Brown, Bobby Massie, Nate Potter
OG: Warmack, Snyder, Kelemete
OC: Sendlein, [Hopefully some actual competition in training camp for the 1st time in Sendlein's career]

* Just to say it for the billionth time, really happy to have Bobby Massie. He may "only be a right tackle" but when you have not had ANY tackles for a long time, it seems like a really really big deal to get a right tackle that you can confidently go into the season with.

100% agree. Warmack is the pick unless he is gone. I agree with your entire post.

I have been waiting for a solid online since becoming a fan.

Fix the line and you improve every position behind it.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Too high ?

That is the thinking that got us Michael Floyd instead of Cordy Glenn, or Dont'a Hightower....you know two players that would have actually improved the team.


If the player you want is there, then take him. The spots in the draft are slotted now, so what is the difference ?

Someone going to make fun of the pick at that time, ala Bruce Irvin last draft ?

Ask Seattle who is laughing now.

If Warmack is there at 7 you sprint to the podium and pick him.

Totally agree. If we had the number 1 pick it would different, but considering that Joeckel, Geno, Jones and Moore are all likely off the board than you take Warmack (who would certainly be the best player left and a position of need as well).