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[elindholm]

Salary info

All amounts in millions.

Tsakalidis $1.58, then RFA
Outlaw $5.96, then $5.36 next year, then FA

Knight $5.00, then FA
Trybanski $1.60, then $1.76 next year, then FA
Archibald, uh, zero according to HoopsHype; maybe it's a sign-and-trade?

The Suns will save $3.6 million next season, plus whatever they would have spent to keep Tsakalidis, plus whatever extra amount they'd get penalized by the luxury tax in 2004-05 (if any).

 

[elindholm]

Just terrible. I understand saving money, and they won't have to worry about resigning Jake, but still. Bo Outlaw was paid a bunch, but man, he was such a good influence in other ways.

Hey, Chaplin, write down the day and time -- we're in complete agreement!

 

[Chaplin]

Do you guys realize, though, that our center rotation consists of Jake Voskuhl, Scott Williams and this Trybanski guy.

Well, looks like we're back to having the worst center rotation in the league.

 

[slinslin]

Outlaw would have made 5.995.000$ this season and 5.335.000$ next season.

Big Jake was due 1.600.000$ this season.

Brevin Knight is in the last season of his contract and makes 5.000.000 $.
Archibald can be cut.

Trybanski makes 1.600.000$ this season and 1.760.000 next season.

So the Suns saved at least ~1.000.000$ this season. Or up to 2.000.000$ depending on the luxury tax.

Next season they save about ~3.500.000$ not considering any luxury tax scenarios.

Not sure if Trybanski has some opt out clauses in his contract or something like that. According to hoopshype he doesn't.

He is 24 years old 7'2 240lbs Center from Poland. Supposed to be very mobile for his size and pretty skilled.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
Just terrible. I understand saving money, and they won't have to worry about resigning Jake, but still. Bo Outlaw was paid a bunch, but man, he was such a good influence in other ways.

Hey, Chaplin, write down the day and time -- we're in complete agreement!

LOL

 

[slinslin]

Saving 1 million this season is probably enough for the Suns to offer someone their small exemption.

Also whoever is calling this a huge downgrade of our center position is freaking out.

Voshkul, Williams, Big Jake is hardy a big difference compared to Voshkul, Williams, Trybansky.

Big Jake has no mobility. I doubt he can ever fully recover from those back problems especially at his size.
He is still making the same mistakes that he has always made.

He proved that he couldn't play well with Amare Stoudemire because of his limited mobility and clogging up the lanes.

He didn't play much last season anyway so it is not a big loss.

Also you have to consider that Zarko will likely play some minutes at center and I'd say he is our future starting center. He has the length and just needs another offseason of adding more muscle.

 

[Chaplin]

Hmm, slin, so who exactly guards Shaq?

 

[elindholm]

Do you guys realize, though, that our center rotation consists of Jake Voskuhl, Scott Williams and this Trybanski guy.

I have to believe something else is up. That is just God-awful. There is no way Trybanski is going to get off the bench, given how green he is (86 career NBA minutes!) and how reluctant the Suns are to use centers anyway. And Williams may be a nice guy, but he is clearly washed up: barely 40% from the field over the last two seasons.

Do we really think Voskuhl is going to play 25-30 minutes a game? I seriously doubt it. So small ball is the only option, and the Suns can pretty much forget about defending a team with a real center.

I think the reality is that Stoudemire is going to see a lot of time at center this season. In fact, I'd guess that he'll see more time at center than at forward. That means that either the Suns have a lot of faith in Cabarakapa -- or, by some miracle, they think Gugliotta will be able to make a real contribution. And I really hope that being forced out of position doesn't set back Stoudemire's development, because that would be a terrible misfortune.

 

[elindholm]

Slinslin, this is a serious question. I don't know the answer, but maybe you do.

If Trybanski has such great potential, how come he wasn't drafted?

 

[slinslin]

On Suns.com some of the coaches were quoted that Gugliotta looked extremely impressive and has worked out all summer in Phoenix.

If Googs is healthy he will see time at the center position. He is a smart defender and has the necessary size to play a decent amount of minutes at the center position.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by slinslin
On Suns.com some of the coaches were quoted that Gugliotta looked extremely impressive and has worked out all summer in Phoenix.

If Googs is healthy he will see time at the center position. He is a smart defender and has the necessary size to play a decent amount of minutes at the center position.

But we've heard that before.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Chaplin
I can't believe we traded Bo.

Right now, I don't like this trade. At all.

I wouldn't say I don't like the trade, but I do worry about losing Bo Outlaw. His energy and defense off the bench last season was invaluable. However his offensive ineptitude would have surely had him surrendering significant minutes to Cabarkapa. Also if Tom Gugliotta is healthy... I'm just kidding.

I also think that a good, quality backup point guard will be as valuable as outlaw's energy and defense. At least that's what I'm hoping. We all wanted Johnson and Hardaway to be able to play point guard with Marbury on the bench last season, but it was obvious that offense fell off significantly. Apparently Barbosa is not ready, and it probably should not surprise anyone.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

And, to top it off, Brevin Knight is no Bobby Jackson...

 

[sly fly]

- Who's out there to sign? Stepania?

- Any bio on this Polish kid?

- Brevin Knight is a good player. A major upgrade over Randy Brown.

- Barbosa/Knight gives PHX the ability to shift Marbs over to SG on "some" occasions.

- The Big Tsak didn't fit in with this runnin' gunnin' team.

- How much will we have after Goog's contract expires?

- The Colangeli aren't done, yet.

- Goodbye, Charles Outlaw. Keep racking up those numbers in the summer leagues.

 

[3rdside]

Suns have a lot of faith in Cabarakapa

spelling error e, spelling error

 

[arthurracoon]

But this brings us back to three fundemental questions:

1. Who is going to lead our full court press?
-This was definately our strong point last year, and it allowed us to come back in many games.
-Furthermore, this press allowed us to play uptempo games.
-Last year, Bo was the one who made the press work.

2. Who will guard the true centers?
-Who will guard the Shaq's, Mutombo's, Zo's, and Yao's of the NBA. The tall strong men.
-Our C's are neither tall or strong. They are all under 7 ft, and aren;t the strongest bunch.
-We are going to get manhandeled at the C position.

3. Was Bo loved in the locker room?
-Yes.
-He brought a sense a relaxedness along with Scott Wiliams.
-He was a jokester and the team seemed to love him.
-his hustle and work ethic were invaluable to this team.

 

[slinslin]

Why was Ginobili a bottom line second round pick?

Why was Ben Wallace not drafted?

There are a lot of questions. But I don't even care about Trybanski.

We didn't lose much by losing Tsakalidis other than the still living hope of some people that he can still turn the corner at some point.

It works for the Suns very well salary wise and I doubt it will make a difference in the Suns record.


Jake Voshkul should be improved and get more minutes than before. Googs should be healthier and better as it looks. Cabarkapa is 7'0. Amare will play more minutes than he did last season.
Scott Williams will be the same.

Outlaw's minutes were bound to go down and Zarko, Voshkul, Googs will make up for the playing time that Outlaw and Big Jake spend at center.

 

[Chaplin]

What about when (not if) Googs either a) gets injured, or b) averaged 2.7 points per game?

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Do you guys realize, though, that our center rotation consists of Jake Voskuhl, Scott Williams and this Trybanski guy.

Well, looks like we're back to having the worst center rotation in the league.

I don't see how losing Jake, and gaining this guy makes us worse...Jake sucks, and I see no signs that he's going to get any better.

IMO

Mike

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
2. Who will guard the true centers?
-Who will guard the Shaq's, Mutombo's, Zo's, and Yao's of the NBA. The tall strong men.
-Our C's are neither tall or strong. They are all under 7 ft, and aren;t the strongest bunch.
-We are going to get manhandeled at the C position.

Maybe I'm not too worried about the C's, but they do suck when we play BIG teams like LA.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
I don't see how losing Jake, and gaining this guy makes us worse...Jake sucks, and I see no signs that he's going to get any better.

IMO

Mike

But he was a big body and this polish kid is not as big.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
I don't see how losing Jake, and gaining this guy makes us worse...Jake sucks, and I see no signs that he's going to get any better.

IMO

Mike

At least Jake was big enough to put 25 minutes on Shaq, Yao, Dikembe, and other BIG men.

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by arthurracoon


2. Who will guard the true centers?
-Who will guard the Shaq's, Mutombo's, Zo's, and Yao's of the NBA. The tall strong men.
-Our C's are neither tall or strong. They are all under 7 ft, and aren;t the strongest bunch.
-We are going to get manhandeled at the C position.

If Shaq is dedicated and feels like it he would roll over Big Jake like he would against any other Sun.

Mourning is a broken down Center who naturally has been a PF and is no bigger than Amare Stoudemire really.

Mutombo has very little offensive game to worry about.

Yao is taller than anyone anyway. You don't need to be strong to defend Yao. I believe Theo Ratliff has done the best job on Yao last season and he is Amare-size.

You are all acting like Big Jake was some kind of messiah last season that rescued us against big centers.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Chaplin
But he was a big body and this polish kid is not as big.

I just see him as someone smaller having to use fouls to stop Shaq, instead of someone bigger like Jake having to use fouls to stop Shaq.

Mike

 

[slinslin]

Size doesn't matter it is how you use it.