Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[Shane]

Funny title.

Marv needs to find his Dawg.
But Marv is gonna be fine

Hopium is fun. I’ll give you that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oh man… Charmin Marvin is too good not to stick.

Just Charmin Harrison Jr

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not a bust, yet. But definitely soft. So soft.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Just Charmin Harrison Jr

Even better… for worse.

 

[GatorAZ]

Sadly I was wrong. Don’t see elite attributes to this point. I’d settle for Amari Cooper.

 

[Russ Smith]

If he would just do 2 things, fight for the 50/50 balls, and learn to play up the PI when the defender gets there early. The one where Kyler threw it up on 3rd and 2 again I'm unable to see a replay but that to me was clearly PI, but Marv didn't sell it at all, he complained after the play but during the play he didn't act like a guy who was being impeded by the defender around his legs.

If we get that call first and goal from 1 we have a chance. Kyler shouldn't have backed up, and lobbed it but 50/50 jump ball it has happened way too often this year he doesn't fight and force the ref to call PI

 

[Russ Smith]

that said he did save a probably picksix from Woolen earlier in the game

 

[slanidrac16]

that said he did save a probably picksix from Woolen earlier in the game

Yes, on a ball that should NEVER had been thrown.
MHJ would excel in an offense like the Rams. Precise routes and the ball thrown with precise timing. Something that Kyler isn’t capable of doing.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes, on a ball that should NEVER had been thrown.
MHJ would excel in an offense like the Rams. Precise routes and the ball thrown with precise timing. Something that Kyler isn’t capable of doing.

Sure but I would argue the picksix he broke up was precisely that, a timing route and Kyler threw it, but Woolen ran the route better than Marv did, read it the whole way and had it for a TD if Marv didn't break it up.

So far I'm not seeing the great route runner we were told MHJ would be, if he were that good at it, he'd occasionally catch a ball wide open and he almost never does. I thnk he's a good player and will probably be very good to even better but I don't see special yet

 

[slanidrac16]

Sure but I would argue the picksix he broke up was precisely that, a timing route and Kyler threw it, but Woolen ran the route better than Marv did, read it the whole way and had it for a TD if Marv didn't break it up.

So far I'm not seeing the great route runner we were told MHJ would be, if he were that good at it, he'd occasionally catch a ball wide open and he almost never does. I thnk he's a good player and will probably be very good to even better but I don't see special yet

If the defender ran the route better than MHJ then the ball was late.

 

[Russ Smith]

If the defender ran the route better than MHJ then the ball was late.

I don't think the ball should have been thrown, but I also think Woolen clearly read that route from jumpstreet. Either it was film study they knew it was coming, or he just read Marv because the jump he had on that was crazy.

Davis the former DB working the game said it right away he ran the route better than Marv did but he saved Kyler a picksix

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Sadly I was wrong. Don’t see elite attributes to this point. I’d settle for Amari Cooper.

Sadly, I see a floor of Quentin Johnston at this point. It’s not looking good. Soft with very little tenacity

 

[Redsz]

Do we need Micheal Wilson to move to the X spot?

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Do we need Micheal Wilson to move to the X spot?

In my opinion, yes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Charmin Harrison Jr… damnit, that’s just too good.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Do we need Micheal Wilson to move to the X spot?

it would help us draft lower if that's what you're getting at

 

[HairZach]

it would help us draft lower if that's what you're getting at

If we had a lower draft pick we would have gotten Bowers instead of MHJ.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah. He will be fine. Needs to play with an actual QB.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah. He will be fine. Needs to play with an actual QB.

I think he will absolutely get better, it would be a huge surprise if he doesn't with his work ethic. But there's just some things we're not seeing that are alarming no matter who the QB is.

he just doesn't go get the ball, he's way too passive, he doesn't get YAC, he got like 4 yards today and it surprised me because he never does it. He's made some spectacular catches in the end zone and we're not seeing the big drops anymore but if he's not going to play like a big fast guy, at least play like a big guy.

 

[BritCard]

Marv will be very good, and I say this in the same way I knew Trey McBride was going to be very good.

He has some issues with his game, but he's a rookie and learning, the biggest issue is his QB. Hard to be good at WR when your skill set is nuanced route running and timing and you have a QB that can't utilise either.

 

[Russ Smith]

Marv will be very good, and I say this in the same way I knew Trey McBride was going to be very good.

He has some issues with his game, but he's a rookie and learning, the biggest issue is his QB. Hard to be good at WR when your skill set is nuanced route running and timing and you have a QB that can't utilise either.

Not going to defend Kyler after today but the same guy throwing the ball to Marv is throwing the ball to Trey. The difference is Trey is the one guy on the team that seems to be able to get open consistently, other than Conner on dumpoffs, and Trey consistently makes contested catches.

Trey struggled as a rookie because he was coming off a back injury and he wasn't healthy. Marv as far as we know is healthy, he's just really struggling with certain aspects of the position. And so far I don't really buy the intricate route running, if you read the pre game comments from Seattle they said they weren't overly concerned with Marv, they were focused on Trey and Conner and keeping Kyler in the pocket. Kylers' 2 picks were the problem today without those we almost assuredly win this game, but the issues with Marv are persistent, so many WR's are called prima donnas, throw me the ball etc, Marv acts almost disinterested.

 

[BritCard]

Not going to defend Kyler after today but the same guy throwing the ball to Marv is throwing the ball to Trey. The difference is Trey is the one guy on the team that seems to be able to get open consistently, other than Conner on dumpoffs, and Trey consistently makes contested catches.

Trey struggled as a rookie because he was coming off a back injury and he wasn't healthy. Marv as far as we know is healthy, he's just really struggling with certain aspects of the position. And so far I don't really buy the intricate route running, if you read the pre game comments from Seattle they said they weren't overly concerned with Marv, they were focused on Trey and Conner and keeping Kyler in the pocket. Kylers' 2 picks were the problem today without those we almost assuredly win this game, but the issues with Marv are persistent, so many WR's are called prima donnas, throw me the ball etc, Marv acts almost disinterested.

Trey is running 5-10 yard digs and crossers. Trey can pretend to block and leak out uncovered. Trey is covered by a CB3, linebacker or safety. He's running completely different kinds of routes to Marv. The routes Kyler is hitting Trey on generally aren't timing dependent and rely on Trey finding a gap in zone coverage for Kyler to hit when he sees it.

Kyler hasn't been consistent outside the numbers for some years now. He's also become a check down king. Of his 38 attempts yesterday only 8 were over 10 yards and only 4 were completed and 2 were intercepted.

The vast majority of Marv routes are designed for him to go past 10 yards. His average aDot is 14 yards. He's catching 80% of catchable targets but only 52% of actual targets because the rest are uncatchable. He has a 43% target rate vs man coverage but only 13% vs zone.

Kyler just can't throw the ball consistently accurately enough on passes over 10 yards for Marv to succeed.

 

[Russ Smith]

Trey is running 5-10 yard digs and crossers. Trey can pretend to block and leak out uncovered. Trey is covered by a CB3, linebacker or safety. He's running completely different kinds of routes to Marv. The routes Kyler is hitting Trey on generally aren't timing dependent and rely on Trey finding a gap in zone coverage for Kyler to hit when he sees it.

Kyler hasn't been consistent outside the numbers for some years now. He's also become a check down king. Of his 38 attempts yesterday only 8 were over 10 yards and only 4 were completed and 2 were intercepted.

The vast majority of Marv routes are designed for him to go past 10 yards. His average aDot is 14 yards. He's catching 80% of catchable targets but only 52% of actual targets because the rest are uncatchable. He has a 43% target rate vs man coverage but only 13% vs zone.

Kyler just can't throw the ball consistently accurately enough on passes over 10 yards for Marv to succeed.

I still say Marv is not nearly as good as Trey at getting open at this point in their careers. I get that he's not going against CB's, but nobody is asking Marv to block LB's and pass rushers either.

My point really was Trey didn't struggle as a rookie becuase of Kyler, he wasn't healthy so he wasn't nearly as good as he is now.

I have no idea how they computer catchable throws but I see week after week where virtually every ball Marv catches there's a defender right there, unless they fall down like against the Rams, he's almost never wide open.

I don't think Marv's problems are solely a timing thing I just don't think he's as good(yet) as we thought he would be. Most of the backshoulder issues for example are his fault, he doesn't pick up quick enough that's where the ball has to be thrown.
We're seeing improvment, he's not dropping balls every week now, and he came back for a couple of throws today something he wasn't doing, but still overall for me he's been very disappointing.

 

[Harry]

He's probably "good", but overall he is a soft soft player.

He’s more of a finesse player, which is not quite the same. Watch some college highlight film on him and I think you’ll see what I mean.

 

[Harry]

For a guy who was supposed to win a lot of 50/50 balls, he doesn't put himself in a position to catch many.

I think he can still be a fine receiver, but I don't see him as a star. Certainly not worthy of the #4 pick of a loaded draft. He just doesn't have the attitude of a Jefferson or a Chase. Or even a Nabors.

QB ball placement rarely are 50/50 shots; more like 25/75.