Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[HairZach]

I hate this thread. Count me among the minority that is not in the least worried about MHJ, and believe that he will come back next year killing it.

I hope so. But for context, this year Marv only had 40 more yards than washed AJ Green had with us in 2021, and Marv had 24 more targets.

 

[kerouac9]

I think its reasonable to assume in year two MHJ makes a jump in terms of performance, but I guess the question is, how much of a jump will he make?

What are your guys' (and the ladies as well) expectations for him next year in terms of yards/TDs/YPC/ etc?

I expect for him to take the step into the next tier of wideouts with a line like 85/1050/12.

I'd love for him to take two steps up and be like 95/1200/15.

 

[PDXChris]

I hope so. But for context, this year Marv only had 40 more yards than washed AJ Green had with us in 2021, and Marv had 24 more targets.

That's not context, that is called confirmation bias. Those were vastly different offenses, so you can't compare them across the board. Green also had double the yards of Hopkins that season too and we had no WR or TE over 1000 yards, but we have 4600 receiving yards.
Now, that is context.

 

[PDXChris]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I hate this thread. Count me among the minority that is not in the least worried about MHJ, and believe that he will come back next year killing it.

The bogey for this for next year is 80yds/game. That’s 1,360 + 10 TDs for the season. What a lot of the top receivers put up in soph seasons.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I expect for him to take the step into the next tier of wideouts with a line like 85/1050/12.

I'd love for him to take two steps up and be like 95/1200/15.

1050 would be very mid in a 17 game season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Who is that?

 

[Proteus]

The bogey for this for next year is 80yds/game. That’s 1,360 + 10 TDs for the season. What a lot of the top receivers put up in soph seasons.

Even if MHJ does improve next season, I'm not sure how productive he (or our other wide receivers) can be in such a run-heavy offense.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think its reasonable to assume in year two MHJ makes a jump in terms of performance, but I guess the question is, how much of a jump will he make?

What are your guys' (and the ladies as well) expectations for him next year in terms of yards/TDs/YPC/ etc?

He's going to be better yes.

Again the things IMO he HAS to improve at

1) Catching contested balls, high pointing, going to get the ball

2) Getting more separation, better routes etc

And I might as well add run after catch which he never did this year

 

[Shane]

Who is that?

Isn’t it the Manning Kid at Texas?

 

[PDXChris]

Who is that?

Isn’t it the Manning Kid at Texas?

What he said!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I expect for him to take the step into the next tier of wideouts with a line like 85/1050/12.

I'd love for him to take two steps up and be like 95/1200/15.

100%.

95/1200/15 and we're probably in the playoffs Chief.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He's going to be better yes.

Again the things IMO he HAS to improve at

1) Catching contested balls, high pointing, going to get the ball

2) Getting more separation, better routes etc

And I might as well add run after catch which he never did this year

If Big Play Trey can be a 110 catch guy, there's certainly no reason why MHJ can't be a 90 catch guy.

It's on K1 and MHJ to work on the chemistry and timing, but I think with a full offseason of work they can improve at least some. How much is the question.

 

[unseenaz]

I think many are forgetting that Larry didn't take the leap to elite status until Warner, Haley, etc challenged him to be great.

Hopefully Arch Manning has the same effect on MHJ!

 

[kerouac9]

1050 would be very mid in a 17 game season.

Probably but that’s the expectation. I didn’t see anything to make me think we have the next Ja’Marr Chase on our hands, so I expect incremental progress.

 

[HairZach]

1050 would be very mid in a 17 game season.

It would be, but we have to lower our expectations after seeing him play. If he hits 1050 he can be a bottom tier WR1 in this league that we hope can get better.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even if MHJ does improve next season, I'm not sure how productive he (or our other wide receivers) can be in such a run-heavy offense.

Eh, a top flight receiver is going to shine in any kind of offense if the QB is competent.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Isn’t it the Manning Kid at Texas?

Ah thx. Would be pretty cool if he’s good.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It would be, but we have to lower our expectations after seeing him play. If he hits 1050 he can be a bottom tier WR1 in this league that we hope can get better.

Yeesh I’m still hoping he’s better than a Doug Baldwin level receiver.

 

[kerouac9]

Eh, a top flight receiver is going to shine in any kind of offense if the QB is competent.

Yes. Malik Nabers had 109/1200/4 in a terrible WB situation. Lamb had similar numbers in Dallas.

Amari Cooper had 82/1250/5 in Cleveland last year. I imagine that’s very close to Chamin’s ceiling in this offense.

 

[DaHilg]

If Big Play Trey can be a 110 catch guy, there's certainly no reason why MHJ can't be a 90 catch guy.

It's on K1 and MHJ to work on the chemistry and timing, but I think with a full offseason of work they can improve at least some. How much is the question.

Well and an actual passing scheme by the OC.. we will never be winners repeating the same scheme we had this year… btw also just we had the 3rd lowest viewership in the NFL.. we are just BORING to watch. NFL isn’t going to make a winner out of that - doesnt fit the model!

 

[DaHilg]

Yes. Malik Nabers had 109/1200/4 in a terrible WB situation. Lamb had similar numbers in Dallas.

Amari Cooper had 82/1250/5 in Cleveland last year. I imagine that’s very close to Chamin’s ceiling in this offense.

NYGs offense was and is far more open and agressive than ours. They too are just extremely talented depleted on the Oline and WR (outside of Nabers).

Cleveland has the Winston effect.. that dude is gonna chuck it down field regardless of scheme. Sean Payton was the only guy that could reel him in.

 

[602 Native]

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Once again

No Manning will ever wear a Cardinals Jersey

Ever

 

[HairZach]

We're already talking about Manning? I thought we had all just learned a lesson about drafting someone because of their name.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Well and an actual passing scheme by the OC.. we will never be winners repeating the same scheme we had this year… btw also just we had the 3rd lowest viewership in the NFL.. we are just BORING to watch. NFL isn’t going to make a winner out of that - doesnt fit the model!

I agree 1000%! As offense, especially towards the end of the year, we did not look dangerous at all. It was hard to watch.

Scheme is part of it. I honestly believe MHJ will be a better NFL route runner in his 2nd year and we might upgrade the WR room some. I honestly think we'll push the ball down the field at least a little more in 2025.

YAC is another part of it. McBride is good after the catch but he's not going make many house calls. Dortch is our best YAC guy but doesn't get many opportunities. We need another YAC WR like DHop (or if were dreaming like Boldin or Fitz).