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[SissyBoyFloyd]

Not to be a dick bro, but its clear youve done zero research on the 2013 draft, and are just throwing out names you heard analysts talk about.


"We're drafting top 3! We can get Chance Warmack!"


Chance isnt even top 10 quality. Hes not even on par with David DeCastro last year, and whered he go? 15 I think.


Go read up on all these guys so you know what our options are.

I have read up on all of them. Most would be worthy of a high pick. But so is Warmack, who is much better than DeCastro, and is just what we need. IF we waste a top 3-5 pick on one of the QBs in this draft, who by the way wouldn't have even been a worthy of any 1st round pick in last year's draft, then we have not improved our team at all.

I do realize the Cards may very well feel the pressure to pick Smith or Barkley, but if they (or the Chiefs for that matter) do, then that is why they are and will remain the Cardinals and the Chiefs. I am hoping the day will come when we draft intelligently, rather than out of emotion, pressure, and desperation.

I doubt that there is a scout in the nation that would say that either Smith or Barkley is a franchise QB. Unless the combine should change all of those experts minds, I will trust their opinions over mine or anyone else's on this board.

I do believe we should draft for need, but without reaching. And Warmack is not a reach. He is considered the best OG to come out in the last decade, and of HofF caliber. That is not a reach, or a gamble. And it is the proper way to build a team up......filling your major need with an all pro sure fire type player.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I have read up on all of them. Most would be worthy of a high pick. But so is Warmack, who is much better than DeCastro, and is just what we need. IF we waste a top 3-5 pick on one of the QBs in this draft, who by the way wouldn't have even been a worthy of any 1st round pick in last year's draft, then we have not improved our team at all.

I do realize the Cards may very well feel the pressure to pick Smith or Barkley, but if they (or the Chiefs for that matter) do, then that is why they are and will remain the Cardinals and the Chiefs. I am hoping the day will come when we draft intelligently, rather than out of emotion, pressure, and desperation.

I doubt that there is a scout in the nation that would say that either Smith or Barkley is a franchise QB. Unless the combine should change all of those experts minds, I will trust their opinions over mine or anyone else's on this board.

I do believe we should draft for need, but without reaching. And Warmack is not a reach. He is considered the best OG to come out in the last decade, and of HofF caliber. That is not a reach, or a gamble. And it is the proper way to build a team up......filling your major need with an all pro sure fire type player.

So Peterson and Floyd were drafted out of emotion, pressure and desperation?

If Warmack is BPA on the board, draft him.

But, your explanation is part BPA and part need and that will get you Levi Brown.

 

[Dayman]

No we Pick 6th if the season ended today.

Mike Sando, ESPN.com ‏@espn_nfcwest
Current 2013 NFL draft order: 1-KC, 2-JAC, 3-OAK, 4-PHI, 5-CAR, 6-TEN, 7-DET, 8-AZ, 9-SD, 10-CLE. @ESPNStatsInfo
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We have the toughest SOS out of the 4-9 teams, which pushes us down a bit.

 

[Duckjake]

We have the toughest SOS out of the 4-9 teams, which pushes us down a bit.

Well we'll jump ahead of Detroit after Sunday.



No wait that's the game they inexplicably win and then they'll go to SF and beat the 49ers 2nd team guys and end up drafting 10th.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I won't do it again, but if you look at the bottom teams and see who they play the last 2 games, its appears we will pick as high as 3rd - 5th. Ignore what our position is now, that isn't important. Just check out the bottom teams and you will see that several play each other, so one of them has to win another game or two.

Of course I am assuming like I have been saying for 2 months that we won't win another game this year. If we should, then my draft choice will be even more justified than some believe he is.

 

[52brandon]

not a single car insurance reference? Well I'll be damned

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I won't do it again, but if you look at the bottom teams and see who they play the last 2 games, its appears we will pick as high as 3rd - 5th. Ignore what our position is now, that isn't important. Just check out the bottom teams and you will see that several play each other, so one of them has to win another game or two.

Of course I am assuming like I have been saying for 2 months that we won't win another game this year. If we should, then my draft choice will be even more justified than some believe he is.

So... a 3rd to 5th pick on a guard... BRILLIANT!!!

 

[slinslin]

I don't know what you're on but I want 6 pounds of it. Vick? Really? You mean the same Vick who was responsible for 19 turnovers all by his lonesome in 9 games this season? Vick sucks so loud that the vibrations are being picked up by the Voyager II space craft. As for a top 3 pick, not at this moment. but it might happen but it doesn't matter. Knowing this franchise they will blow it on an undersized and slow defensive back.

Of course the Cards need to consider someone like Vick. He had a bad year behind a terrible offensive line but he is a proven starter in the NFL clearly with potential to be pro-bowl worthy in the right situation.

The Cards just can't afford to go into next season once again with 3 total questionmarks at the QB position.
What happens if the Cards sign the unknown in Matt Moore or Flynn or whatever and a draft pick? You set yourself up for disaster again next year when all turn out to be incompetent for the present.

Signing a proven veteran starter like Michael Vick and drafting a QB in the first 2 rounds like Geno Smith and keeping the option open for the rookie to EARN his spot seems like something smart franchises would do.

And in my opinion a team can live without fans who would jump ship because of signing Vick. Vick did his time for what he did and people need to get over it. He lost millions of dollars and his freedom . People need to stop acting like he ate their babies and got away with it. Not sure what other options in terms of free agent quarterbacks are available but:

Luke McCown – ATL
Joe Flacco – BAL
Tarvaris Jackson – BUF
Tyler Thigpen – BUF
Derek Anderson – CAR
Jason Campbell – CHI
Josh McCown – CHI
Bruce Gradkowski – CIN
Drew Stanton – IND
Brady Quinn – KC
Pat Devlin – MIA – (Ex)
Matt Moore – MIA
Chase Daniel – NO
David Carr – NYG
Matt Leinart – OAK
Charlie Batch – PIT
Byron Leftwich – PIT
Kellen Clemens – STL
Rex Grossman – WAS

Joe Flacco obviously not coming here and the rest is clearly not better than Vick nor proven in the league.

 

[cardinalsfan]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2012/12/11/3753698/current-2013-nfl-draft-order

1. Kansas City Chiefs - 2-11 (.485 SOS)
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - 2-11 (.550 SOS)
3. Oakland Raiders - 3-10 (.497 SOS)
4. Philadelphia Eagles - 4-9 (.497 SOS)
5. Carolina Panthers - 4-9 (.550 SOS)
6. Tennessee Titans - 4-9 (.550 SOS)
7. Detroit Lions - 4-9 (.556 SOS)
8. Arizona Cardinals - 4-9 (.565 SOS)

If all the 4-9 teams ahead of us win at least 1 game looks like the best we can do is pick #4 as I don't see the Raider winning 2 more.

 

[slinslin]

What would it cost this year to move up from #4 to #1 assuming Geno Smith is projected #1.

Basically hope that KC likes Barkley as much or better than Smith.

 

[cardinalsfan]

What would it cost this year to move up from #4 to #1 assuming Geno Smith is projected #1.

Basically hope that KC likes Barkley as much or better than Smith.

Don't know but they can have Geno. I'd rather have Murray if he comes out.

 

[TruCard]

If we get the third pick and Jarvis Jones is there, that is a no-brainer. Geno Smith will be gone. Tyler Wilson is a great QB prospect but I'm not sure of his durability. We don't need another undurable offensive player. If we don't go Jones, we go Joeckel or Lewan and I'm not crazy about these picks either. As bad as we need O-line, Levi returns next season and there is NO WAY that a rookie is going to come in and start over him. Drafting a T early would be a huge mistake. Do you really think that a rookie is going to start over Massie, Potter and Brown? Nope.


As far as QB, we stay with Kolb although I do like this Kirk Cousins kid over in Washington. It just seems to me that everytime this kid plays, good things happen. He is in the shadow of RGIII and rightfully so but he just may make a name for himself one day as well.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

The Redskins were really smart taking Cousins after taking RGIII. Maybe they realized that RGIII would be hurt every year the way he plays and a constantly good backup was a necessity to protect their huge investment. So I can't see them trading him, especially with what they are paying him for the first 3 or 4 yrs, whatever it is.

Now that being said, with us having a top 5 pick and there is a huge player they love to death, maybe they would go for it and give us Cousins for our 1st. It would be a lot smarter taking him than drafting Smith or any other rookie this year.

I still think getting Smith from the Niners would make more sense for a lesser draft pick. Problem is everyone from here to China knows how desperate we are for a QB.

I will hate it if the Cards dilly dally around and we see the Niners trade Smith for a 3rd or 4th pick to someone. It would be typical of the way the chips usually fall for us.

 

[kerouac9]

The Redskins were really smart taking Cousins after taking RGIII. Maybe they realized that RGIII would be hurt every year the way he plays and a constantly good backup was a necessity to protect their huge investment. So I can't see them trading him, especially with what they are paying him for the first 3 or 4 yrs, whatever it is.

Now that being said, with us having a top 5 pick and there is a huge player they love to death, maybe they would go for it and give us Cousins for our 1st. It would be a lot smarter taking him than drafting Smith or any other rookie this year.

I still think getting Smith from the Niners would make more sense for a lesser draft pick. Problem is everyone from here to China knows how desperate we are for a QB.

I will hate it if the Cards dilly dally around and we see the Niners trade Smith for a 3rd or 4th pick to someone. It would be typical of the way the chips usually fall for us.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/12/11/3752556/alex-smith-contract-trade-release-colin-kaepernick

There are 2 key dates to keep in mind: 1) March 12, 2013 (tentatively based on new league year date, and 2) April 1, 2013. The former date is when Alex Smith is due a $1 million roster bonus. The latter date is when his $7.5 million base salary for 2013 becomes fully guaranteed. Whatever the 49ers elect to do, $1 million of that $7.5 million is already guaranteed separate from the base salary and the earlier March roster bonus.

Smith probably isn't going to be traded, because he can't be traded between now and the opening of the new league year, and he gets $1 million on the opening of the league year. It doesn't make sense for another team to trade anything for him, if his entire contract becomes guaranteed before he can even have a practice with them.

If Smith doesn't become the savior for the San Francisco 49ers in the playoffs, he'll be released at the beginning of the league year, and will likely find no dearth of suitors.

Trading our Top 10 pick for Kirk Cousins is complete insanity.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not to be a dick bro, but its clear youve done zero research on the 2013 draft, and are just throwing out names you heard analysts talk about.


"We're drafting top 3! We can get Chance Warmack!"


Chance isnt even top 10 quality. Hes not even on par with David DeCastro last year, and whered he go? 15 I think.

Geno Smith
Luke Joeckle
Demontre Moore
Mingo
Montgomery
Jarvis Jones
Milliner
Star Louteliele
Manti Teo
Bjoern Werner


Go read up on all these guys so you know what our options are.

Most draft evaluators rank Warmack above DeCastro because Warmack is a better athlete and is more physical than DeCastro FYI.

If I couldn't move down, I would seriously consider drafting Warmack. Arguably best player depending on where we daft and fills a huge need.

 

[Chopper0080]

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/12/11/3752556/alex-smith-contract-trade-release-colin-kaepernick



Smith probably isn't going to be traded, because he can't be traded between now and the opening of the new league year, and he gets $1 million on the opening of the league year. It doesn't make sense for another team to trade anything for him, if his entire contract becomes guaranteed before he can even have a practice with them.

If Smith doesn't become the savior for the San Francisco 49ers in the playoffs, he'll be released at the beginning of the league year, and will likely find no dearth of suitors.

Trading our Top 10 pick for Kirk Cousins is complete insanity.

Yeah.