Chiefs may try to trade for Arizona running back Jones

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By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Arizona's Thomas Jones has surfaced as the latest candidate to become the Chiefs' backup halfback to Priest Holmes.

Jones is not a free agent but is expendable since the Cardinals last month signed Emmitt Smith. The Chiefs have been waiting for Arizona to release Jones but instead may soon initiate trade talks with the Cardinals.

"We're evaluating him," Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. "He came out a first-round pick, a high first-round pick. Things haven't gone real well for him, but he's shown some flashes of brilliance."

The Cardinals drafted Jones from Virginia in the first round in 2000 with the seventh overall pick. Jones has hardly been worthy of such a high selection, rushing for only 1,264 yards, or slightly less than 3.5 per carry, in three NFL seasons.

Jones missed five games at the end of last season because of a broken hand. The Cardinals said Jones broke the hand in a household accident and indicated he was no longer part of their plans when they refused to pay his salary for the games he missed because it was a non-football related injury.

But Jones appears to be a better fit for the Chiefs than Olandis Gary of Denver, who made a free-agent visit with the club this week. The Chiefs may delay attempts to sign Gary until they've exhausted possibilities with Jones or at least until after the draft next weekend.

Vermeil called Jones the same style of player as Holmes where Gary is more of a straight-ahead runner.

"I see a little of Priest in Jones," Vermeil said. "He's a very good receiver. But he doesn't fit unless he's here. If he's not here, you try to fit somebody else in.

"We haven't even talked to the kid. If I were him, I'd want to go someplace where I'd have a good chance to start. Nobody's going to beat out Priest Holmes. But it also might be a good opportunity for him to re-establish himself."

The Chiefs have long been aware that Jones had fallen from favor in Arizona and would at some point become available. But Vermeil said the recent surge of interest in Jones wasn't an indication the Chiefs are losing hope that Holmes would recover from the hip injury that prematurely ended last season for him.

"We think we're competitive to win it all," Vermeil said. "We've got to make sure we evaluate every opportunity to improve our roster. This will help us compete at that level even if we do get somebody banged up."

The Chiefs had yet to make a trade offer, but it would make sense if either of two wide receivers, Sylvester Morris and Marvin Minnis, is included. The Cardinals recently lost their two top wide receivers in free-agency and have nobody as accomplished as either Morris or Minnis.

Minnis and Morris could have a difficult time making the Chiefs roster next year. One problem with trading Morris is that the Chiefs would absorb a hit of $2.4 million against their salary cap.
 

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A trade with Sylvester Morris and a draft pick would be great. Pick up Marcus Robinson along with that trade and there's not alot left of the old Cards....which is a good thing I think. Blake would have a couple of fast recievers. Then they could draft Eli Manning next year...........Hmmmmm
 

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Originally posted by blindseyed
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A trade with Sylvester Morris and a draft pick would be great. Pick up Marcus Robinson along with that trade and there's not alot left of the old Cards....which is a good thing I think. Blake would have a couple of fast recievers. Then they could draft Eli Manning next year...........Hmmmmm

Hopefully we are not that high up in the draft where manning is an option.
 

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Originally posted by blindseyed
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A trade with Sylvester Morris and a draft pick would be great. Pick up Marcus Robinson along with that trade and there's not alot left of the old Cards....which is a good thing I think. Blake would have a couple of fast recievers. Then they could draft Eli Manning next year...........Hmmmmm


More than likely the deal would be Jones and a 4th for Morris or Minnis (if you wanted one of the WRs).

Another idea is a 7th this year for Jones.

OR a conditional 7th in 2004 (could become a 6th based on PT) for Jones.

Finally, Minnis or Morris and the Chiefs 2nd for Jones and the Cardinals 2nd.
 

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Wouldn't it be ironic (and unbelievably funny) if the Cards traded Jones and our 4th round pick to the Chiefs for their 5th round selection and Vonnie Holiday?
 

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I posted a few weeks ago when we were discussing receivers that with the signing of chris horn from the rattlers minns or morris will be cut (assume horn makes the roster - they did give him a 2 year deal and appears to be penciled in as a return guy)..I would think it would be a straight up trade for jones if it occurs...the chiefs know jones will be cut..and the cardinals know that one of the 2 receivers will be cut...so doubt if we can get picks plus a player..but I am all for it.

with the signing of a few defensive players by the chiefs..and drafting of some defensive players..is there a d lineman that may be odd man out in KC?
 
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Originally posted by pinnacle
with the signing of a few defensive players by the chiefs..and drafting of some defensive players..is there a d lineman that may be odd man out in KC?

Not in my opinion. The only D-Linemen of note they have are Sims and Browning. Both are good, young, and expected to anchor their D-Line for the next few years. The rest of their D-Line looks very similar to the Cardinals', with the exception that they have the severely over-priced Holiday...
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
I posted a few weeks ago when we were discussing receivers that with the signing of joe horn from the rattlers minns or morris will be cut (assume horn makes the roster - they did give him a 2 year deal and appears to be penciled in as a return guy)..I would think it would be a straight up trade for jones if it occurs...the chiefs know jones will be cut..and the cardinals know that one of the 2 receivers will be cut...so doubt if we can get picks plus a player..but I am all for it.

with the signing of a few defensive players by the chiefs..and drafting of some defensive players..is there a d lineman that may be odd man out in KC?


1) Actually I think his name is Chris Horn and he's from the Arena League. By know means does he have a roster spot sewn up. He's got a 2 year deal, but virtually no signing bonus. Cutting him is very much a possibility. As of now, he'll need to beat out Minnis, Morris and anybody we draft for that final spot.

2) If Minnis or Morris gets cut, it won't be until the final cutdown after the last preseason game. Should Morton, Kennison or Boerigter get hurt during camp (as has happened the last 2 years), either or both could still make the team.

3) Vonnie Holliday won't be traded.

4) As of now the Chiefs won't part with any defensive linemen.

5) The Chiefs can't afford to wait until June 1st for Jones to be cut. There are teams ahead of us on the waiver wire who will take him ahead of us, but they won't give up alot in compensation. They'll sign Olandis Gary if a deal for Jones can't be worked out.

6) IF the Cardinals want Minnis or Morris, I truly believe it will cost them Jones and a pick (likely a 4th). If the Cardinals insist on Morris, it may have to increase to a 3rd before we'd do it because of the cap hit we'd have to take ($2.5M for the accelerated SB).
 

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Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
Not in my opinion. The only D-Linemen of note they have are Sims and Browning. Both are good, young, and expected to anchor their D-Line for the next few years. The rest of their D-Line looks very similar to the Cardinals', with the exception that they have the severely over-priced Holiday...

You forgot last years 2nd round pick, Eddie Freeman who I think is a pretty good player.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
You forgot last years 2nd round pick, Eddie Freeman who I think is a pretty good player.

True...so as far as I'm concerned, a trade package including a D-Linemen is out...I say go for a WR (Morris over Minnis IMO)...but I wouldn't want to see anything higher than a 4th round pick shipped out with TJ, the Cards need their top three picks tooooooooo much...
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
You forgot last years 2nd round pick, Eddie Freeman who I think is a pretty good player.


You also forgot Eric Hicks who had 9 sacks last year and 14 sacks 3 years ago. He's also the DE who caused the fumble against the Cardinals last year that was run back for a TD.
 

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Originally posted by Alphaman
More than likely the deal would be Jones and a 4th for Morris or Minnis (if you wanted one of the WRs).

Another idea is a 7th this year for Jones.

OR a conditional 7th in 2004 (could become a 6th based on PT) for Jones.

Finally, Minnis or Morris and the Chiefs 2nd for Jones and the Cardinals 2nd.

Pure fantasyland.

No way in hell would we trade Jones (a first rounder and actually a decent back) AND a fourth for two fringe receivers. That trade straight up sucks for us. The Chiefs are the ones trying to intiate the trade, so I wouldn't think that they would try to swindle us.

If the Chiefs were adamant about the first trade (Jones and a fourth) I would just hold onto Jones and wait until training camp. A team could possiblly have an injury, and Jones could make a pretty decent fill in.
 

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Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
True...so as far as I'm concerned, a trade package including a D-Linemen is out...I say go for a WR (Morris over Minnis IMO)...but I wouldn't want to see anything higher than a 4th round pick shipped out with TJ, the Cards need their top three picks tooooooooo much...

I wouldn't even want to ship out the fourth.

Jones for Minnis, or Jones for Morris, or no deal.

We are the ones that are bargaining from the position of strength, not them. Neither of those players are great prospects.
 

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alphaman...I meant chris horn. I watch the arizona rattlers games (who horn played for) and I was under the impression he will be the return guy unless he has a bad camp or something..
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I wouldn't even want to ship out the fourth.

Jones for Minnis, or Jones for Morris, or no deal.

We are the ones that are bargaining from the position of strength, not them. Neither of those players are great prospects.


What position of strength do you have?

1) Jones will be cut.

2) You have a huge void at WR.

3) We are still in negotiations with Olandis Gary who has better stats than Jones.


If you don't want to give up a pick, that's fine. I think a 7th round pick for Jones can get done.
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
alphaman...I meant chris horn. I watch the arizona rattlers games (who horn played for) and I was under the impression he will be the return guy unless he has a bad camp or something..

I like Horn, but it's hard for me to see him making an NFL roster. He'll go the way of Calvin Shexnayder, he'll get cut and be back in the Areha league next year. It's like one of my old coaches favorite sayings, "He's a little small, but he's also slow."
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
alphaman...I meant chris horn. I watch the arizona rattlers games (who horn played for) and I was under the impression he will be the return guy unless he has a bad camp or something..


How could you forget Dante Hall, our Pro-Bowl return guy who took one to the house against you the Cardinals. Horn could make the team as a 5th WR and backup KR, but he won't make it as the KR.
 

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Originally posted by Alphaman
What position of strength do you have?

1) Jones will be cut.

2) You have a huge void at WR.

3) We are still in negotiations with Olandis Gary who has better stats than Jones.


If you don't want to give up a pick, that's fine. I think a 7th round pick for Jones can get done.

I think the odds are this trade talk is little more than offseason hot air. But, if we can get any pick for Jones, I'd take it. You can keep Minnis and Morris.
 

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Originally posted by Alphaman
What position of strength do you have?

1) Jones will be cut.

As far as the Chiefs are concerned, if they really want him, this IS our position of stregnth. He might not make it to the Chiefs.
 

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Originally posted by ajcardfan
I think the odds are this trade talk is little more than offseason hot air. But, if we can get any pick for Jones, I'd take it. You can keep Minnis and Morris.


I'd be fine with that.

BTW....I'm not a troll. I have been on this board off and on this offseason talking about Jones and monitoring the Holliday situation. I am always respectful of the fans on this board and the Cardinals.
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
As far as the Chiefs are concerned, if they really want him, this IS our position of stregnth. He might not make it to the Chiefs.

Exactly. A few teams with worse records would undoubtably pick him up. The Chiefs have no bargaining chips.

Olandis Gary is not a good NFL back anymore after the injuries he had robbed him of the little speed he had left. Throw Gary's stats out the window (hell I could get a 1,000 with Denver) Jones is a better all around back.
 

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Originally posted by Alphaman
How could you forget Dante Hall, our Pro-Bowl return guy who took one to the house against you the Cardinals. Horn could make the team as a 5th WR and backup KR, but he won't make it as the KR.

Yeah...that's like forgetting Brett Favre or Jerry Rice or Joe Montana. I mean a Pro Bowl? We're talking frickin' greatness here. Move over George...Dante Hall is going up on Mt. Rushmore!

Taking it to the house against our special teams last year wasn't exactly real special.
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
As far as the Chiefs are concerned, if they really want him, this IS our position of stregnth. He might not make it to the Chiefs.


However, everyone knows you are going to cut him, so anything you get for him will be gravy.

Secondly, while the Chiefs really want him, they have other options (Gary, the draft, other June 1st cuts, even Jones after June 1st).

From a negotiation standpoint, I really can't see any way that the Cardinals hold the leverage in this one. To be fair, that would change if another suitor (Jacksonville or Buffalo) were to enter the picture.
 

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