Chris Young MLB's worst hitter...

[Mulli]

I didn't see any actual AAA numbers... But, if you're suggesting that he rocked it in AAA, cool! Yet another guy who couldn't make the leap to the majors...

I am saying he belongs there.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I am saying he belongs there.

Hey! Me too! We agree on something other than food!!! Yea!!!!

 

[Mulli]

Hey! Me too! We agree on something other than food!!! Yea!!!!

I held on to the CY delusion until I looked up his numbers. Wow, how the Cubs couldn't get him out in those playoffs is beyond me.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I held on to the CY delusion until I looked up his numbers. Wow, how the Cubs couldn't get him out in those playoffs is beyond me.

Well, according to some it wasn't so much the Cubbies fault. Prolly was just the umps who decided to be more fair to CY at that time!

 

[Mulli]

Well, according to some it wasn't so much the Cubbies fault. Prolly was just the umps who decided to be more fair to CY at that time!

According to some Cubfans, it was the time of the games in Arizona.

 

[Gaddabout]

Going back to BABIP as a predictor of flukes and likely career averages, it appears 2008 was definitely a fluke -- and his 2009 decline predictable.

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[82CardsGrad]

According to some Cubfans, it was the time of the games in Arizona.

Sounds like the Cubbies have a score to settle with those Umps!

 

[Gaddabout]

As a comparison, I looked up another D-Backs player who has contact issues, but is generally productive: Mark Reynolds. He has maintained an above average BABIP in three seasons, and seems to be trending towards a decent career hitter.

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[Gaddabout]

And one more, to show you the pitcher angle of the state, and to demonstrate how unlikely Dan Haren will ever pitch the way he has this season.

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[82CardsGrad]

And one more, to show you the pitcher angle of the state, and to demonstrate how unlikely Dan Haren will ever pitch the way he has this season.

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Gotta be the result of that tremendous defense behind him!!!

 

[Mulli]

Gotta be the result of that tremendous defense behind him!!!

Nope. It is the umps.

 

[Gaddabout]

Gotta be the result of that tremendous defense behind him!!!

Actually that makes his season even more of an anomaly!

 

[82CardsGrad]

Actually that makes his season even more of an anomaly!

Exactly... pretty amazing really. All things considered, it has to rank amongst one of the best 1/2 seasons in recent history.

 

[DWKB]

LMAO.... Young is victim of bad calls and nothing more? Let's see... It's July and he's still batting under .200. Are we to believe that he is a victim and that his victimness is not subject to the law of averages?? That at some point he wouldn't be subjected to so many bad calls? Or - dare I suggest that at some point, he actually demonstrate the talent and skills you continue to thrust out there and Young would actually hit like a major leaguer and not allow himself to fall victim to those mean 'ol umpires who seem to have it in for him???

What a crock...

All of the hysteria in your post makes the points hard to find.

One of the main points in the article is that CY has similar peripherals to BJ Upton regarding BB% and K%, and it's a bad luck anomaly that he's getting a higher than average amount of called strikes outside the strike zone this year. That Young has a much higher percentage of called strikeouts than other MLB players might be explained by this anomaly.

At CY's 265 ABs, the difference between a .200 AVG and a .244 AVG (BJ Upton's) is around 11 hits. With his 85 games played, that averages out to an extra hit every 7-8 games.

The article (nor I) state nothing about this being the sole explanation of CY's poor year. How you got what you posted out of the article I posted I'm not sure.

 

[82CardsGrad]

All of the hysteria in your post makes the points hard to find.

One of the main points in the article is that CY has similar peripherals to BJ Upton regarding BB% and K%, and it's a bad luck anomaly that he's getting a higher than average amount of called strikes outside the strike zone this year. That Young has a much higher percentage of called strikeouts than other MLB players might be explained by this anomaly.

At CY's 265 ABs, the difference between a .200 AVG and a .244 AVG (BJ Upton's) is around 11 hits. With his 85 games played, that averages out to an extra hit every 7-8 games.

The article (nor I) state nothing about this being the sole explanation of CY's poor year. How you got what you posted out of the article I posted I'm not sure.

Great thing about baseball and numbers... you can play with them a million ways to eventually stake out a position you favor...

Bottom line - CY sucks and belongs back in AAA. If you were to ask every major league manager who they would prefer to have patrolling CF, Upton or Young... well, I think you're smart enough to know the unanimous response. I think!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

LMAO.... Young is victim of bad calls and nothing more? Let's see... It's July and he's still batting under .200. Are we to believe that he is a victim and that his victimness is not subject to the law of averages?? That at some point he wouldn't be subjected to so many bad calls? Or - dare I suggest that at some point, he actually demonstrate the talent and skills you continue to thrust out there and Young would actually hit like a major leaguer and not allow himself to fall victim to those mean 'ol umpires who seem to have it in for him???

What a crock...

I don't think anyone here can argue about CY being anything but a huge disappointment but after reading multiple posts of yours on the subject your venom goes a bit beyond the typical fan.

Its almost like a vendetta or something. Did he run over your puppy?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

And one more, to show you the pitcher angle of the state, and to demonstrate how unlikely Dan Haren will ever pitch the way he has this season.

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Those graphs are awesome and all but they don't take into account outside factors. Like Haren developing the cutter this year to the point where it has become his out pitch. Thats a pretty big difference in 2006 Haren and todays version, wouldnt you say?

Obviously him approaching this years numbers on a every year basis is pretty unlikley but anyone who just looks at the numbers and BABIP is missing the context alot of the time.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I don't think anyone here can argue about CY being anything but a huge disappointment but after reading multiple posts of yours on the subject your venom goes a bit beyond the typical fan.

Its almost like a vendetta or something. Did he run over your puppy?

I'll never forgive him for that!

 

[Gaddabout]

Those graphs are awesome and all but they don't take into account outside factors. Like Haren developing the cutter this year to the point where it has become his out pitch. Thats a pretty big difference in 2006 Haren and todays version, wouldnt you say?

It's definitely led to him producing even more ground balls which would explain the precipitous drop in his BABIP. One would expect hitters to eventually adjust to the cutters out of the strike zone and his BABIP will rise. It's not like suddenly developing an unhittable cut fastball in the mid-90s that he throws for strikes.

It's still a plus-plus pitch, though, so I will give you the chances of his BABIP remaining below career averages. He's just not going to be putting up Bob Gibson numbers from here on out.

 

[DWKB]

Those graphs are awesome and all but they don't take into account outside factors. Like Haren developing the cutter this year to the point where it has become his out pitch. Thats a pretty big difference in 2006 Haren and todays version, wouldnt you say?

Obviously him approaching this years numbers on a every year basis is pretty unlikley but anyone who just looks at the numbers and BABIP is missing the context alot of the time.

Well Haren might have made adjustments or added pitches that has allowed him to increase his K rate and decrease his BB rate that would explain a large drop in ERA outside of his BABIP. His large drop in BABIP probably has more to do with the defense behind him than any changes he's made to his pitching.

It's definitely led to him producing even more ground balls which would explain the precipitous drop in his BABIP.

Actually an increase in GBs would be expected to lead to a higher BABIP, not a lower one. GBs get through as hits more often than FBs do. Now if Haren traded LDs for GB instead of FB then it would explain a drop in BABIP. It appears he's not had major changes in any of these types of BIP though.

 

[Gaddabout]

Actually an increase in GBs would be expected to lead to a higher BABIP, not a lower one. GBs get through as hits more often than FBs do. Now if Haren traded LDs for GB instead of FB then it would explain a drop in BABIP. It appears he's not had major changes in any of these types of BIP though.

I made an assumption that he was getting hitters to swing at more pitches out of the strike zone, producing more GB outs, lowering his BABIP. I admittedly should have looked at the numbers before making such an assumption.

If anything jumps out this year it's how he's dramatically lowered his BBs and hits allowed. The numbers are startling. For his career he was averaging almost a hit per inning. He's lowered that to .67!

But getting back to the point, BABIP is a terrific red flag machine, and Haren's current BABIP should be a giant red flag. Chris Young's numbers, however, shouldn't. They're on par with what he's done in four years. His 2008 BABIP is the anomaly. People hoping he'll find his way back to those (even still marginal) numbers do not have the odds on their side.

 

[82CardsGrad]

But getting back to the point, BABIP is a terrific red flag machine, and Haren's current BABIP should be a giant red flag. Chris Young's numbers, however, shouldn't. They're on par with what he's done in four years. His 2008 BABIP is the anomaly. People hoping he'll find his way back to those (even still marginal) numbers do not have the odds on their side.

Yea... particularly when you have the umps against you as well!

 

[BC867]

Attempting to find out what might actually be causing CY's slump through analysis is a worthwhile endeavor

A slump is a valley surrounded by hills. We haven't seen any hills by Chris Young for quite awhile.

Hence, he's not in a slump. He and his popups have sunk below sea level and he's grasping for air.

 

[82CardsGrad]

A slump is a valley surrounded by hills. We haven't seen any hills by Chris Young for quite awhile.

Hence, he's not in a slump. He and his popups have sunk below sea level and he's grasping for air.

You're such a HATER!!




BTW - he did put up some "hills" in AAA!

 

[DWKB]

A slump is a valley surrounded by hills. We haven't seen any hills by Chris Young for quite awhile.

Hence, he's not in a slump. He and his popups have sunk below sea level and he's grasping for air.

CY put up a 910 OPS in the month of June and has an 824 OPS so far in July. You can't find a hill in those numbers then I'd say you're too blind to see.

Since May 22 he's put up a line of .241/.365/.460/.825.

But yes, this year his GB/FB became unmanageably extreme, but from my understanding Gibson has tweaked his swing and from the numbers it seems he's made corrections.