Chriss and Knight traded

[SirStefan32]

I still think Bender, so young in age, has shown enough talent to risk keeping him. But more to the point, you could be right. Obviously we don't know what has really happened behind closed doors. Interesting that Chriss was basically excluded from Summer League. Knight, who knows? That I can buy. It was more about subtraction.

Oh I agree. He is a legit 7-footer who can shoot, pass, and defend. If I were the GM, I would be in no hurry to trade him, but if there was a legitimate starting point guard, I would send Bender packing (along with Warren) in exchange for that PG.
We are all guessing, but I really do think it was indeed about what the Suns traded, and not what they traded for.

 

[BC867]

I am starting to think it wasn't about Anderson and Melton. It was about getting rid of Knight and Chriss. They may have been potential locker room issues, and the Suns wanted them gone today. They may actually like Melton, and Anderson just might be more accepting of playing a reduced role than Knight and Chriss.

If they wanted to bring in a real point guard, they may have needed Knight gone. A shooting PF may be less of a waste of a roster spot than a combo guard that can't really do anything well. I also wouldn't be shocked if Bender goes bye-bye along with Warren if they pull off a trade for a real PG.

Word for word, Stef, I absolutely agree with your explanation of the trade.

 

[Yuma]

So since the Suns took on a higher salary in Anderson, and I believe when you trade player for player there is a percentage that needs to be within in salary between the players. So having Anderson, you could trade for a guy with a higher salary since Anderson's is closer to a premier PG's salary per year. Plus then we throw in draft picks. So could having a higher salary guy actually help facilitate a trade?

Never mind, I see Anderson's salary since he gave up a bonus to come here is virtually the same as Knight's. Which makes the trade a bit better.

 

[Finito]

Yikes 5 rookies out of one class.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Yikes 5 rookies out of one class.

“I think it’s very unlikely we bring three or four rookies to training camp next year,” McDonough added.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/17/17363296/phoenix-suns-options-nba-draft-lottery

So...technically...he was right. It was more!

 

[SunsTzu]

Hes been a hot commodity among draft "experts". Takebl that as you will, but hes another good fit for what the Suns wanna do.

Also, he isn't signed because he was a 2nd round pick, and there is no rush, as the Rockets were busy using their cap space to fill their roster. Suns can sign him to however they value him.

Actually it appears he wasn't signed because they were wanting to include him in a trade. If they had signed him he wouldn't have been eligible for a trade until after the season started.

Now that Anderson has lowered his 2019 guarantee I'm no longer upset with the deal. Chriss has probably had his bags packed for months, even if Melton doesn't pan out I'm fine making that swap.

 

[Finito]

“I think it’s very unlikely we bring three or four rookies to training camp next year,” McDonough added.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/17/17363296/phoenix-suns-options-nba-draft-lottery

So...technically...he was right. It was more!

That's just insane. You can't have that. Gotta start packaging young guys

 

[SunsTzu]

Chriss attitude? By all we can see on social media he was an integral part of the Suns young core group. Bender on the other hand is basically never found anywhere around his teammates.

Maybe there aren't instagram posts of Bender playing Fortnite with Booker and Ayton, but he has clearly been more involved with the basketball functions.

It cannot possibly be a surprise to anyone that the guy who wasn't involved in the Summer League workouts is no longer on the team. You can spin not playing him, but having him workout on his own in Washington away from his new teammates and coaches should have made it clear he was in no way part of the Suns young core group.

 

[Raze]

So in essence McD traded:

The 2018 #10 pick (given away for Knight)
The 2016 #8 pick AND the #13, #28, Bogdon Bogdanovic and a 2020 2nd rounder.

For

Ryan Anderson (who sucks and still is owed a disproportional amount of cash for his "ability") and
D'Anthony Melton who was the 2018 #46 pick.

If we aren't going to blast McD for the current "cut your losses" decision, then we should be blasting him even more for how awful the original trades were. And/or the incredible lack of foresight to draft Chriss who WE ALREADY KNEW had maturity issues and not give him the proper amount of time to grow up.

AND here's the kicker, we're all sitting around hoping that McD will make ANOTHER trade for a PG. That's like sitting around hoping Josh Childress will hit a jump shot. IOW, it may happen at some point, but it's going to be awfully ugly when it does.

 

[Finito]

So in essence McD traded:

The 2018 #10 pick (given away for Knight)
The 2016 #8 pick AND the #13, #28, Bogdon Bogdanovic and a 2020 2nd rounder.

For

Ryan Anderson (who sucks and still is owed a disproportional amount of cash for his "ability") and
D'Anthony Melton who was the 2018 #46 pick.

If we aren't going to blast McD for the current "cut your losses" decision, then we should be blasting him even more for how awful the original trades were. And/or the incredible lack of foresight to draft Chriss who WE ALREADY KNEW had maturity issues and not give him the proper amount of time to grow up.

AND here's the kicker, we're all sitting around hoping that McD will make ANOTHER trade for a PG. That's like sitting around hoping Josh Childress will hit a jump shot. IOW, it may happen at some point, but it's going to be awfully ugly when it does.

Stop with all that well this pick from way back when stuff. It's just dumb at this point

 

[Chaplin]

So in essence McD traded:

The 2018 #10 pick (given away for Knight)
The 2016 #8 pick AND the #13, #28, Bogdon Bogdanovic and a 2020 2nd rounder.

For

Ryan Anderson (who sucks and still is owed a disproportional amount of cash for his "ability") and
D'Anthony Melton who was the 2018 #46 pick.

If we aren't going to blast McD for the current "cut your losses" decision, then we should be blasting him even more for how awful the original trades were. And/or the incredible lack of foresight to draft Chriss who WE ALREADY KNEW had maturity issues and not give him the proper amount of time to grow up.

AND here's the kicker, we're all sitting around hoping that McD will make ANOTHER trade for a PG. That's like sitting around hoping Josh Childress will hit a jump shot. IOW, it may happen at some point, but it's going to be awfully ugly when it does.

Besides the fact that it's dumb to do hindsight like this, the #10 pick did end up coming back to us (Mikel Bridges).

 

[Yuma]

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-marquese-chriss-deletes-tweets-jabs-james-harden/

Chriss has been busy deleting tweets regarding James Harden. Smart man!

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's just insane. You can't have that. Gotta start packaging young guys

We just sent out two. Chriss is still as immature as anyone, and Knight is a lot less of a vet than Anderson.

We are clearing out the young under achievers.

 

[95pro]

Maybe we can swing a trade for Capela, Harden and CP3 while we’re at it. And even bring back Dantoni and Tucker.

 

[Cheesebeef]

“I think it’s very unlikely we bring three or four rookies to training camp next year,” McDonough added.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/17/17363296/phoenix-suns-options-nba-draft-lottery

So...technically...he was right. It was more!

ha!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Besides the fact that it's dumb to do hindsight like this, the #10 pick did end up coming back to us (Mikel Bridges).

it didn't just come back by magic though Chap. the #10 pick came back to us at the expense of ANOTHER two first round picks.

And isn't hindsight how you're supposed to judge someone's job performance? By looking what they did behind the time you currently sit?

 

[Finito]

Holy crap and im using the term "crap" because I'm editing myself, but do these people even watch basketball.

I'm watching NBA TV and NBA Gametime is on. Steve Smith really good player back in the day is the analyst and this trade comes up and you would think this is the missing piece for the Rockets championship run

He actually said this.

"I love this trade for the Rockets. Brandon Knight before the injury was a big time PG. Was he an all star? No but he was on the verge of being an all star"- Steve Smith

WTF!!!!! in what F'ing world was Brandon Knight in a Phoenix Suns uniform on the verge of being an NBA all star.

I mean it's just being lazy and doing no research on what your talking about

 

[Yuma]

Holy crap and im using the term "crap" because I'm editing myself, but do these people even watch basketball.

I'm watching NBA TV and NBA Gametime is on. Steve Smith really good player back in the day is the analyst and this trade comes up and you would think this is the missing piece for the Rockets championship run

He actually said this.

"I love this trade for the Rockets. Brandon Knight before the injury was a big time PG. Was he an all star? No but he was on the verge of being an all star"- Steve Smith

WTF!!!!! in what F'ing world was Brandon Knight in a Phoenix Suns uniform on the verge of being an NBA all star.

I mean it's just being lazy and doing no research on what your talking about

I see this kind of analysis all the time! Drives me nuts. It gets really bad in football.

 

[elindholm]

WTF!!!!! in what F'ing world was Brandon Knight in a Phoenix Suns uniform on the verge of being an NBA all star.

Actually, that's been the narrative. Shortly before he was traded to the Suns, he got some mention as a possible All-Star for the Bucks. My guess is that he wasn't particularly close -- I never saw any vote totals -- but some talking head decided to throw his name out there and then other talking heads picked up on it. Ever since then, Knight has been an "almost All-Star" during his time in Milwaukee.

Here you go:

https://basketball.realgm.com/analy...Knight-Got-Himself-Into-All-Star-Conversation

 

[1tinsoldier]

i would simply assume this is an improvement by subtraction deal.

when this team finished dead last, myself and others felt we should blow it up.
so i knew more dumping was ahead
bad habits under a bad coach are hard to break

as far as the new guys,
the best we can say is they're not the old guys
and maybe this overhauled roster will meld better with their new coach

 

[leclerc]

The ony way Bender sees minutes is if we are actively tanking again.

Any of your small forwards is a better option at the 4 than Bender.

Like a clock you're typing out a bash Bender post every other day. We get it. Please try to contribute some constructive posts on other topics as well. I know there's a long time to the next draft, and Chriss didn't work out as well as you or anyone hoped, but we can speculate on Ayton, our first ever #1 pick, Bridges and JJ, or the two rookie guards Okobo and Melton.

 

[GatorAZ]

I see this kind of analysis all the time! Drives me nuts. It gets really bad in football.

The very worst analysis is usually by ex-players.

 

[Finito]

Actually, that's been the narrative. Shortly before he was traded to the Suns, he got some mention as a possible All-Star for the Bucks. My guess is that he wasn't particularly close -- I never saw any vote totals -- but some talking head decided to throw his name out there and then other talking heads picked up on it. Ever since then, Knight has been an "almost All-Star" during his time in Milwaukee.

Here you go:

https://basketball.realgm.com/analy...Knight-Got-Himself-Into-All-Star-Conversation

If you read my post you'll see I wrote "knight in a Phoenix Suns uniform"

Those Bucks days are a long long time ago and even then he really wasn't an all star caliber player

 

[Phrazbit]

If the team doesn't start to make a serious trend towards being competitive then this season is McD's last stand. And... if he does go down, the Brandon Knight experience should open and close the eulogy.

If Anderson washes out here and Knight flourishes in Houston... it'll be really... really... embarrassing.

But, I'd put good odds on neither player sticking on their clubs beyond the upcoming season.

It is a good spot for Knight though, he's going to be in a Jamal Crawford role, it's what he's meant for. They'll have Chris Paul to keep Knight's ego and terrible habits in check, while here... Knight would have been competing with D-Leaguers for PT and likely would have gone hog wild with his frightening shot selection. Houston will be able to quickly pull him when he is playing so terribly he might cost them a game, we probably would get buried too deep before having the chance.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If the team doesn't start to make a serious trend towards being competitive then this season is McD's last stand. And... if he does go down, the Brandon Knight experience should open and close the eulogy.

If Anderson washes out here and Knight flourishes in Houston... it'll be really... really... embarrassing.

But, I'd put good odds on neither player sticking on their clubs beyond the upcoming season.

I agree with this. I doubt this trade will ever be remembered fondly nor will it live on in infamy. It's a nothing deal unless just one of Melton or Chriss becomes relevant. And while that could happen, it's not likely.