Clayton Tune week 3 film

[SeattleCard]

Interesting analysis here -

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[Cardiac]

Great find and now we know why they traded for Dobbs. I bet Monti waited to cut Colt until he acquired Dobbs in an effort to keep the trade compensation as low as possible.

 

[football karma]

Clearly not ready to start a regular season game

 

[Syracusecards]

Interesting analysis here -

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really good film but he has Peyton Manning level expectations of how the NFL game works for a fifth round rookie quarterback. Kurt Warner gave really good analysis by saying that he is scanning the field, but he is just late. Once he gets more reps and experience, he hopefully will get the ball out faster.

 

[football karma]

promising but not ready

he seems like he knows where he needs to go (mostly) but doesnt trust that first read enough to throw it on time

the vid also does a decent job of pointing out his poor footwork adds time to his throws and makes them late

 

[Goldfield]

Thanks for posting this

 

[cardsfanmd]

He’s a 5th round rookie QB on a team with an entirely new staff implementing entirely new systems. Thinking that he was ever going to start week 1 unless forced by injuries was ridiculous.

 

[BirdGangThing]

He’s a 5th round rookie QB on a team with an entirely new staff implementing entirely new systems. Thinking that he was ever going to start week 1 unless forced by injuries was ridiculous.

Same goes for Josh Dobbs

 

[Dayman]

Clayton Tune is older than:

Rondale Moore
Trey McBride
Zaven Collins
Cam Thomas

And he is the same age as Marco Wilson.

Mechanical issues on older rookie QBs aren't a great sign, although I'm sure they are not impossible to fix.

 

[Harry]

I think the reaction here is a little too extreme. If you picked 8 passing plays from most any QB‘s game, you could find quite a few mistakes. That is not to say there weren’t some egregious errors made. For comparison I’d love to see a similar analysis of one of Murray’s game. I bet I could find quite a few plays to criticize. I can recall Murray getting clocked by a free rusher. Of course it would also be fun to do this to one of J T’s games out a what was a seriously failing NFL career. How about doing this with a Dobbs game? In 3 seasons he’s never completed 60% of his passes. It’s quite a bit easier to criticize on film than to play the game. Tune is a rookie. The list of starting rookies that didn’t make a bunch of mistakes is incredibly small. I want Tune to start not because he’s ready to win, but because he’s shown enough to think he might one day win. If this team had a playoff shot I wouldn’t start Tune (or Dobbs). This team has nothing to lose. The only thought should be would it set back Tune? A QB can learn from watching, but if that was the plan they should have kept McCoy. Really what the film showed was you could confuse a rookie, like with the arm flapping. What you should watch for is if he faces the same defensive alignment, does Tune properly respond? BTW, if you watch the film closely there are 2 free rushers and the back picks up one. Tune should have seen it. He didn’t, but J T called it wrong. Mistakes are easy to find watching film. If his point is Tune’s not ready to win, he’s right. If his point is Tune doesn’t have a future, he’s just guessing based on a very small sample.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think the reaction here is a little too extreme. If you picked 8 passing plays from most any QB‘s game, you could find quite a few mistakes. That is not to say there weren’t some egregious errors made. For comparison I’d love to see a similar analysis of one of Murray’s game. I bet I could find quite a few plays to criticize. I can recall Murray getting clocked by a free rusher. Of course it would also be fun to do this to one of J T’s games out a what was a seriously failing NFL career. How about doing this with a Dobbs game? In 3 seasons he’s never completed 60% of his passes. It’s quite a bit easier to criticize on film than to play the game. Tune is a rookie. The list of starting rookies that didn’t make a bunch of mistakes is incredibly small. I want Tune to start not because he’s ready to win, but because he’s shown enough to think he might one day win. If this team had a playoff shot I wouldn’t start Tune (or Dobbs). This team has nothing to lose. The only thought should be would it set back Tune? A QB can learn from watching, but if that was the plan they should have kept McCoy. Really what the film showed was you could confuse a rookie, like with the arm flapping. What you should watch for is if he faces the same defensive alignment, does Tune properly respond? BTW, if you watch the film closely there are 2 free rushers and the back picks up one. Tune should have seen it. He didn’t, but J T called it wrong. Mistakes are easy to find watching film. If his point is Tune’s not ready to win, he’s right. If his point is Tune doesn’t have a future, he’s just guessing based on a very small sample.

I'll agree with you here Harry. Playing QB in the NFL is hard, and real time, things happen fast. Pretty easy to get the all 22 and pick apart plays.

I'm not super high on the kid, but I think maybe he can win some games in the NFL, especially coming off the bench.

Let's invest some time and effort in him and see where it goes.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I like Tune, but I honestly think his ceiling is somewhere near Frerotte/Keenum level and his floor is Brian Hoyer. He will probably do well in relief and spot starts...well enough for another team, or teams, to give him chances to be the starting QB...but in reality is just a really good QB2 to have on the roster.

 

[PJ1]

Not sure how any definitive judgement can be made based on Tune’s preseason play. Looked pretty good for a rookie. He corrected some things from game to game. Also made a long completion the next play after getting crushed. Many times I saw him escape immediate pressure and make a play.

 

[slanidrac16]

As Harry said. If we were a true contender for a POSSIBLE playoff spot then Tune shouldn’t be our guy.
But we’re not. Tune has shown enough to prove he is not totally inept.

I believe in a very short time this board is going to be screaming for Tune. Dobb is going to dash the fragile hope that anybody here is clinging to.

That will be followed by a lot of bashing MO and JG for trading for him and starting him. I for one will not. Watching McCoy would have been even more depressing.

 

[cardpa]

I think the reaction here is a little too extreme. If you picked 8 passing plays from most any QB‘s game, you could find quite a few mistakes. That is not to say there weren’t some egregious errors made. For comparison I’d love to see a similar analysis of one of Murray’s game. I bet I could find quite a few plays to criticize. I can recall Murray getting clocked by a free rusher. Of course it would also be fun to do this to one of J T’s games out a what was a seriously failing NFL career. How about doing this with a Dobbs game? In 3 seasons he’s never completed 60% of his passes. It’s quite a bit easier to criticize on film than to play the game. Tune is a rookie. The list of starting rookies that didn’t make a bunch of mistakes is incredibly small. I want Tune to start not because he’s ready to win, but because he’s shown enough to think he might one day win. If this team had a playoff shot I wouldn’t start Tune (or Dobbs). This team has nothing to lose. The only thought should be would it set back Tune? A QB can learn from watching, but if that was the plan they should have kept McCoy. Really what the film showed was you could confuse a rookie, like with the arm flapping. What you should watch for is if he faces the same defensive alignment, does Tune properly respond? BTW, if you watch the film closely there are 2 free rushers and the back picks up one. Tune should have seen it. He didn’t, but J T called it wrong. Mistakes are easy to find watching film. If his point is Tune’s not ready to win, he’s right. If his point is Tune doesn’t have a future, he’s just guessing based on a very small sample.

Agree, way too harsh and way too easy to select a few plays that you know you can criticize and pick apart. I think the footwork can be corrected if given the right coaching and the lateness on some throws are probably a bit a trying to be too risk adverse and a little lack of confidence at this point.

 

[Billy Bob]

Clayton will be in Tune next Sunday morning.