Coach Whis on Doug and Wolf This Morning

[Cheesebeef]

Once again nobody comments on this aspect of Matt's training and progression that the coach was clearly perturbed with. It always goes back to "well his stats are better" Or "he sat learning for 3 years he deserves it"

i've read this from you a bunch of times and the only reason I don't comment on it is because of how sad it makes me about our QB competition. What you've written is a HUGE problem. People just want to look at what they've been given to look at but never take into account that game-film isn't just the ESPN Feed... they're able to tell what was ACTUALLY open on the play and Wolf has made comments a couple times that there were guys wide open down-field that Matt didn't even look at (with time) because he dumped it off.

why this team didn't go after McNabb is beyond me.

 

[TJ]

He did enough of that in his post game interview.

I know this

Just curious to see after 2 days, he changed his tone

 

[Russ Smith]

What gives you that feeling? After 4 years Matt still doesn't know the offense like he should. Sound like a leader to you?

OK but what's tougher, coaching Matt in that regard or coaching Anderson to be accurate?

You have to know by now Anderson's entire career has been the same, big arm, no idea where the ball is going, no touch. Whiz is a real stickler for mechanics and footwork but he's got to realize he's not the first coach to try and do that with DA, some guys just never get it.

That's what I always admired about Shanahan, ego maniac yes, terrible GM yes, but that man can coach QB's. He made a habit of taking veteran QB's and getting them to play the best football of their careers. So far I'm not clear Whiz did that for Kurt I think Kurt had a LOT to do with that.

I hope Whiz can do that for Anderson but I will believe it when I see it, so far it's the same old DA.

 

[joeshmo]

All the chemistry in the world means jack if you can't complete passes

I think we are going to get our second chance of going through a Jake Plumber era.

Good "Chemistry"(and all that it entails), gun slinger, and off beat goofy ball persona type QB. Wows you with one play then makes you bang your head against the wall the next two plays, then makes you want to slit your throat after he throws a pass behind his back.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Whiz meets with Leinart before preseason.

"You know how I've preached the importance of ball security over the years. Think of how careless Kurt was with the ball when I arrived, and the dramatic change in his approach. Ball security, taking what the "D" gives you, matriculating your way down the field, taking time off the clock - are all points you should keep in mind... and REMEMBER it all starts with not turning the ball over."

Whiz meets with Anderson before preseason.

"You know how I've preached the importance of getting chunks of real estate through the passing game. It's one of our strengths. Think of how fearless Kurt was. It could make him a first ballot HOF selection. So, look for your chances and don't be shy out there.. and REMEMBER that I know mistakes will be made from time-to-time, but that isn't going to be the only thing entering into my overall evaluation. Have fun!"

 

[Carddan]

Once again nobody comments on this aspect of Matt's training and progression that the coach was clearly perturbed with. It always goes back to "well his stats are better" Or "he sat learning for 3 years he deserves it"

Shane, I think you are totally right about what Coach is looking for as leadership. What we don't know is whether Matt has shown him anything to indicate improvement. If Coach indicated satisfaction with just the stats, he would sacrifice leverage forcing Matt to become the kind of QB who can win it all. I think Whisenhunt thirsts for ultimate victory.

 

[joeshmo]

why this team didn't go after McNabb is beyond me.

Because he is 34 years old going on 40, overrated, injury prone, innacurate, has never played in anything but the QB friendly Ried West Coast offense, and is on a one year contract.

 

[conraddobler]

If you don't like a QB's game and your options are him or another guy who's new to you, well you can see how your mind is going to process this information, you think in your mind that the new guy is more promising, it's almost universal people think that way.

I bet you a bunch of money if you forced Cleveland to take either Matt or DA they'd take Matt in a heartbeat.

 

[Shane]

OK but what's tougher, coaching Matt in that regard or coaching Anderson to be accurate?

You have to know by now Anderson's entire career has been the same, big arm, no idea where the ball is going, no touch. Whiz is a real stickler for mechanics and footwork but he's got to realize he's not the first coach to try and do that with DA, some guys just never get it.

That's what I always admired about Shanahan, ego maniac yes, terrible GM yes, but that man can coach QB's. He made a habit of taking veteran QB's and getting them to play the best football of their careers. So far I'm not clear Whiz did that for Kurt I think Kurt had a LOT to do with that.

I hope Whiz can do that for Anderson but I will believe it when I see it, so far it's the same old DA.

Your not going to get an argument out of me Russ. I am 100% in the Matt should start category.

I am just debating the "why" issue that people keep asking. I think Whiz has made it pretty clear in his talks as to why.

I see why he does it and agree that Matt need to get better in those areas. However I still want him starting over DA. Dont mistake my debate for wanting DA over Matt. I certainly don't.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

It's sending a message that Whisenhunt will only start the players he feels give the team the best chance to win games. It doesn't matter if you were drafted in the 1st round, undrafted or a high priced FA. Everyone has to earn the starting position.

It does send that message. But by letting Faneca start he send the exact opposite message. This guy has been stinking it up since day one.

 

[MadCardDisease]

It does send that message. But by letting Faneca start he send the exact opposite message. This guy has been stinking it up since day one.

Starting in preseason has nothing to do with starting come Opening day!

Maybe Whiz is evaluating a player who is new to the team??? Maybe he is giving him reps with the starters to see what Faneca has left???

 

[PortlandCardFan]

What gives you that feeling? After 4 years Matt still doesn't know the offense like he should. Sound like a leader to you?

I get what you are saying. All good points I didn't really think about.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Because he is 34 years old going on 40, overrated, injury prone, innacurate, has never played in anything but the QB friendly Ried West Coast offense, and is on a one year contract.

You left out the fact that he's an old QB that's injury prone, innaccurate, has never played in anything but a QB friendly system and is a one year rental at best. Plus, the guy is always injured. Did I mention he's never been particularly accurate?

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because he is 34 years old going on 40, overrated, injury prone, innacurate, has never played in anything but the QB friendly Ried West Coast offense, and is on a one year contract.

starting an average of 15 games per season over the last three (that makes him injury prone?) with 3600 yards, 22 TDs/9 INT, 90 passer rating and 60% accuracy was worth a gamble for a team who has no quarterback whatsoever and has no QB of the future as well IMO.

Y'all might think he's over-rated, but he's a solid QB and more than that, he's a winner, plain and simple.

 

[conraddobler]

We're also alll assuming Matt really wants to be here.

One way to get gone is to do everything right as far as completions and stats but infuriate the coach and get cut.

I'm just saying it's within the realm of possibilities.

 

[MadCardDisease]

starting an average of 15 games per season over the last three (that makes him injury prone?) with 3600 yards, 22 TDs/9 INT, 90 passer rating and 60% accuracy was worth a gamble for a team who has no quarterback whatsoever and has no QB of the future as well IMO.

Y'all might think he's over-rated, but he's a solid QB and more than that, he's a winner, plain and simple.

Yeah I would have to agree with you. I'd take an older McNabb as our starter for a year or two over what we have on the roster right now.

 

[Russ Smith]

Your not going to get an argument out of me Russ. I am 100% in the Matt should start category.

I am just debating the "why" issue that people keep asking. I think Whiz has made it pretty clear in his talks as to why.

I see why he does it and agree that Matt need to get better in those areas. However I still want him starting over DA. Dont mistake my debate for wanting DA over Matt. I certainly don't.

Fair enough.

I see Anderson as one of those coach killer QB's like Plummer was for different reasons. Jake didn't have the size or the arm but he had the flash and personality, the problem was he didn't want to work to get better.

Anderson from what I gather has worked his tail off for years now, he was a late round pick, cut, free agent etc he didn't have a sense of entitlement.
His problem is he teases coaches with his arm but he just can't be consistent.

I go back to something that happened when I was in HS in basketball practice. We were doing a 3 on 2 drill where the guy with the ball in the middle has to make a jump stop at the foul line. People kept "drifting" over the line which ticked off the coach, so he put a chair there.

Sure enough this one guy ran right into the chair, so the coach decided to up the ante and sit in the chair drinking his coffee and sure enough same guy collides with the chair spills the coffee. One of the funniest things I've seen in my life, he just could NOT stop at the foul line no matter what the coaches tried. Anderson seems to be the same way he just can't learn to throw with touch and he can't be accurate.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Nothing weird about it.

Whiz has put it all out there. I have repeated it many times on here. Most people just ignore and fail to comment on it.

Whiz was very specific with what he was looking for heading into the pre season prior to the first game. He stated that rather than his actual stats he would be looking at his leadership. How he commands the huddle. How players respond to him. How much of a leader is he on the field. etc.. etc..

By all accounts Matt failed miserably. Even Wolfly and Urban specifically stated that they have never in 4 years seen Whiz so perturbed in his mannerisms and tone following a game. The 1st team O was making plenty of mistakes. So bad that you had 1st team WR's lining up in the wrong spots and plays being run.

Matt is the coach on the field he is the QB that was #1 and had been in this system for his 4th year now. He is the one that is supposed to know exactly where EVERYBODY is supposed to be. He is the one that should direct them to the right place rather than running the play that way. Or call a timeout if necessary to get it fixed. Yet he obviously failed to recognize the mistakes himself or if he did he just chose to do nothing about it.

How many times have you seen WR's line up wrong and you see the Warner's or the Manning's point and tell them to move or to go to the other side etc.. It happens all the time.

IMO this is exactly why Matt is on the hot seat and in danger of being benched. He still has yet to show complete command of the offense and be a true leader in that sense. Its the little things and attention to detail that bugs the hell out of Whiz. IMO he just doesn't thnk Matt has it in him. Apparently he might not. Those mistakes happening and Matt not correcting them IMO IS unacceptable.

Shane for the first time since this whole damn thing started I think this makes sense. It makes the most sense anyway to me.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Starting in preseason has nothing to do with starting come Opening day!

Maybe Whiz is evaluating a player who is new to the team??? Maybe he is giving him reps with the starters to see what Faneca has left???

Could very well be true. And I hope you are right because if Faneca starts week 1 the message that will be sent is not a good one. He looked lost out there this week. Not only lost but tired, really tired in the 2nd quarter.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah I would have to agree with you. I'd take an older McNabb as our starter for a year or two over what we have on the roster right now.

I loved McNabb when he was younger but the problem with him is he doesn't fit this roster.

McNabb is a very inaccurate passer, but throws a great deep ball, always has. He fit with DeSean Jackson, he'll fit with a team with speed at WR, but in a team that throws shorter routes like we do he'd drive Whiz crazy constantly burying throws into the turf in front of the WR.

I admit he's probably a better option than where we are now though, I also expect if he's healthy he'll have a great year in Washington, Shanahan is the best QB coach in the NFL.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We're also alll assuming Matt really wants to be here.

One way to get gone is to do everything right as far as completions and stats but infuriate the coach and get cut.

I'm just saying it's within the realm of possibilities.

Well, if you're going to go this way how about tossing some tinfoil into the conversation. I can think of one highly principled coach in the Washington state area who isn't above telling Matt to tank it and you'll be starting here by midseason (my starting QB will never last the season).

Steve

 

[THESMEL]

I did hear

I did hear the garbage can full of NFC Quaterbacks this year after Whiz on KTAR. Mcnab, Campbell, Cutler and poor little Kolb and his 12mill 1 year extension.

Matt is twice the QB Kolb will ever be, with or without these Highe end Arizona QB problems.

Yeah I would have to agree with you. I'd take an older McNabb as our starter for a year or two over what we have on the roster right now.

 

[conraddobler]

Well, if you're going to go this way how about tossing some tinfoil into the conversation. I can think of one highly principled coach in the Washington state area who isn't above telling Matt to tank it and you'll be starting here by midseason (my QB will never last the season).

Steve

Yep.

Thing is if you assume Shane is right and that's what has Whiz ticked off, fine, there's almost no chance this is on accident because Matt is not that stupid plus he's arguably being fired on from all sides.

If he knew it was that important to Whiz and his evaluation of him there is NO WAY he forgets to do this, he's not that dumb. If he really is I'd see Whiz's point on this but Matt is just not that unpoised nor that stupid to fail to at least make a show of doing this simply because he knew it was expected, that or he really dosen't know the plays and I find that nearly incomprehensible at this point.

So it's a possiblity I have been thinking of too, there are a lot of them

 

[jefftheshark]

Here's my take:

After years of having to deal with Denny Green's vision of this team (high powered aerial assault, lip service paid to the running game, etc), Whiz this year finally gets to run the offense he wants (more balanced, with an emphasis toward the running game). Bolden and Warner the biggest two "give me the damn ball" guys on the team, are gone so great, Whiz only needs a QB who manages the game well, with an occasional long bomb to Fitz to keep everyone honest.

Now preseason comes along and the running game so far struggles, perhaps its the line, perhaps its the RB's and to top it off, Wells might be a fumbler. So the caretaker QB role goes out the window, because if we can't run then we need some kind of offense more like what we had in the past, and surprise - Leinart isn't that guy. Maybe Anderson is more like Warner, but while he can stretch the Field, he doesn't have Warner's touch.

So now we're painted into a corner. It's going to be interesting to say the least how Whiz gets out of it.

That's my two cents anyway.

JTS

PS - I won't be able to respond to this point because in honor of O, who I think was just trying to be funny, I'm going to get banned for a couple of days:

Therefore:

Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler



Oh, and Hitler

 

[MadCardDisease]

I did hear the garbage can full of NFC Quaterbacks this year after Whiz on KTAR. Mcnab, Campbell, Cutler and poor little Kolb and his 12mill 1 year extension.

Matt is twice the QB Kolb will ever be, with or without these Highe end Arizona QB problems.

First of all. Can you please put your quotes above your text like everyone else.

Second, Kolb may suck but what does (2 X Suck = ?)