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no,much respect for u.just using a bit of sarcasm
i like when bruce arians come out with these type of sentences
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no,much respect for u.just using a bit of sarcasm
i like when bruce arians come out with these type of sentences
WildBB
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I just thnk Woodley will have a lot to prove this year. I could see him as the starter on either side.
I think they might sub Shaughnessy with Okafor on the strong side and have Woodley as the every down weak side backer with Martin spelling him and used as the sub-situational pass rusher. OR Woodly with Okafor as starters.
If they draft one it would be to develop. But those you have to get somewhat early as well.
Okafor can show it in camp that he is still improving but i think he earned a good amount of reps by becoming our sack leader last year while missing half of the season.
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Chopper0080
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Typically you put your under sized or speed rushers on the weak side because it keeps the tackle from being able to combo block with the TE. Okafor is our undersized, speed rusher which is why he lines up at WOLB.
WildBB
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Yeah, I said Woodly could be used as a starter on either side depending on what they want to go with. Shaughnessey as the SOLB or Okafor as the WOLB WITH Woodly on either side.
With teams keeping D's off balance with pass plays on 1st downs often, it will be interesting to see how they align the starters. Woodly could be the better balanced defender against both pass and rush.
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Good stuff Chopper. However take with a grain of salt anything BA says about their needs. They won't tip their hand for the draft. If he says they are set at offensive line watch them draft C/OT Cam Irving in the first round. 
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Shaughnessy to DE where he belongs.
Snakester
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I was just going to post that I saw Shaughnessy was being moved to DL.
Don't like hearing that. Hopefully Alameda wakes up and accepts the challenge. We need him to be in top shape.
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I saw that he has lost weight. If not in shape, he will be gone.
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Chopper0080
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That is why Pittsburgh moved on from him.
Krangodnzr
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Good stuff Chopper. However take with a grain of salt anything BA says about their needs. They won't tip their hand for the draft. If he says they are set at offensive line watch them draft C/OT Cam Irving in the first round.
Disagree. This team and many other good teams tend to draft for need. Only Mel Kiper and other bozos advocate differently.
What fans confuse is that sometimes we assess the team's needs differently than the team does. Maybe 2nd year RT looks great in practice and they think he will step up and be a great player, while all the fans thing the team needs to draft a tackle in round one.
This year is a bit tougher to forecast. Obviously last year we desperately needed an in the box kind of safety, so the team put a premium on getting Bucannon. This team could probably need an ILB, but maybe they think Weatherspoon, (Washington), Minter, and someone else will step up. We could use an interior OL, but that would be a bit of a luxury with Iupati getting paid big money, Veldheer getting big money, and Massie up for an extension soon. OLB looks like it could be addressed, but as Chopper has pointed out, most of the top guys don't seem to fit the mold of the Bowlesian 3-4 OLB.
I think if the team feels good at ILB, OG/C, and OLB, they have to consider going for Gurley/Gordon, or even drafting someone like WR Jaelen Strong. I'm not confident that Fitz is a top WR anymore, nor am I confident that Floyd will ever be more than a tease. I think Strong will be the WR we thought we were getting in Floyd. If healthy, Gurley is the most talented RB in the draft and is Peterson-like.
Erving would make this potentially the best offensive line in football. I would not cry if that was the pick...not one salty tear.
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Chopper0080
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I think it is fair to say there is an arguement to be made for...
RB
WR
OT
C
OLB
ILB
CB
...in the first round. TE could be considered a need, but even the top TE in this draft doesn't fit BA's mold. QB is out unless one of the top two falls, which they won't. Too much money/youth invested in OG. Same with DL and S.
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The Cardinals are usually fairly easy to figure who they will take except for a few instances. The draft they took Rodgers-Cromartie and last year are notable exceptions, even many fans believed Bucannon should be targeted by the team.
What I generally felt watching the Cardinals last year is that they lacked a big time playmaker at WR and RB, the lacked solid guard and tight end play, and on defense obviously lacked a true edge rusher and ILBs.
So what do the Cardinals attack from those needs early? I think you can scratch CB off the list based on BA's comments. They seem set on offensive line, at least early in the draft. BA also stated we are good at TE, sans an H-back type.
I think we go Gurley/Gordon/Strong/Green-Beckham. All provide some dimension we are lacking and have the potential to be very good pros.
WildBB
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True some years are more difficult than others, and this really seems like one of those years, where they could go in a myriad of directions.
Sometimes a team will really like they're chances of getting someone they're really high on in a later Rd. Say 4-6. Depending on that prospects position, it could influence what they do in Rd's 1-3.
I don't think anybody really had us targeting Bucannon last year where we were sitting @20. But he was the one true SS in the draft with a top 40 grade. They didn't like anyone after him too much, so they did what they had to do and trade down to pick him and wound up getting a deep threat in John Brown who they targeted with the extra pick they got.
This year the best players who have a CHANCE to be where we are drafting would seems to be: (In no particular order)
NT- Malcom Brown
DT- Eddie Goldman
DE- Arik Armstead
DE- Preston Smith
RB- Melvin Gordon
RB- Todd Gurley
ILB- Eric Kendricks
LB- Shaq Thompson
LB- Eli Harold
CB- Marcus Peters
CB- Kevin Johnson
OL- Eric Flowers
OL- Cam Erving
OL- Andrus Peat
WR- Jalen Strong
WR- Dorial Green-Beckham
TE- Maxx Williams
You could make a strong case for any of the above players or positions this year.
Who would be YOUR top 5 impact picks of any of the above?
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WildBB
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DGB scares me a little. While I have 0% cercerns basically about Jalen Strong.
Stout
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Nor would I. I'd love that pick.
WildBB
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It's the Peterson debate again.
Everyone loved Cooper or Warmack that year we took a G @#6.
But there has been little impact made up to now. Ellington as a 6th Rd. pick has had way more.
Maybe we're due to hit one finally. But your looking at about the 6th best OLineman as opposed to the #1 RB. Both Gordon and Gurley could have a major influence. But much depends on who they think they can get in Rd's 2-4 also.
Better RB's or OL there?
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In no way is it the Peterson debate, IMO. Neither of those prospects rates out anywhere near Peterson. On top of that one of them is injured, and the other is coming out of a rushing juggernaut program. The situations aren't alike at all.
Both of the good rbs come with big time red flags. I love the Wisconsin kid but he's been stopped for no gain on 20 percent of his carries. That scares me. Other kid is a beast but only plays 40 percent of the time. I can't say 1st round yes on either guy...bot when a solid center is there that would lock down this line for the next 5 years.
WildBB
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I don't think any RB has really. I can think of Richardson as being the highest drafted RB since then, and he's been a disaster.
Although Peterson's injury wasn't as serious it did give teams pause. Like ours.
Anyway, my point was that highly drafted OL prospects may not work out either. And someone like Erving is like the 6th or 7th rated OL prospect who may be available when we select; vs. picking someone in another area of need who might be the 1st or 2nd rated prospect. Like ILB, CB or RB.
It's always debatable on which direction would be best at that point. It gets down to greater need most times.
Arians has recently said that the OL is the least of my concerns. They just spent 40M on a G, signed a C to compete with a starter from last season (Larson). And BA's stated that he wouldn't mind having Sendelin back. Smoke screen?
They also have to make a decision on whether to extend Michael Floyd during the season.
ILB, CB, WR, RB and OLB could ALL be a higher priority in the FO's decision at this point.
The depth of RB is very good in this draft. But there aren't really "big and fast" like BA said he'd like to get. Just fairly productive college level backs. If that's what they'd be happy with, then they can get one of those in 3-4th Rd's.
Or they can roll the dice a bit. 1st or 2nd Rd's. Try for the bigger immediate impact from a standpoint of running the football and controlling the clock (management).
The year before BA said our biggest weakness is "we couldn't cover the TE".
And the team drafted a SS.
This year it's obviously the run game they're MOST trying to improve. They can do it in two ways and one has apparently been addressed already with two strong POA vet Olinemen.
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I never understood how people were comparing Richardson to Peterson. Peterson was a freak of freaking nature out there from his first game.
Man, I just don't like this draft. Unless it breaks oddly, we are going to end up with a risky pick at 24, or a tweener.
*sigh*
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Stout
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I don't think any RB has really. I can think of Richardson as being the highest drafted RB since then, and he's been a disaster.
Although Peterson's injury wasn't as serious it did give teams pause. Like ours.
Anyway, my point was that highly drafted OL prospects may not work out either. And someone like Erving is like the 6th or 7th rated OL prospect who may be available when we select; vs. picking someone in another area of need who might be the 1st or 2nd rated prospect. Like ILB, CB or RB.
It's always debatable on which direction would be best at that point. It gets down to greater need most times.
Arians has recently said that the OL is the least of my concerns. They just spent 40M on a G, signed a C to compete with a starter from last season (Larson). And BA's stated that he wouldn't mind having Sendelin back. Smoke screen?
They also have to make a decision on whether to extend Michael Floyd during the season.
ILB, CB, WR, RB and OLB could ALL be a higher priority in the FO's decision at this point.
The depth of RB is very good in this draft. But there aren't really "big and fast" like BA said he'd like to get. Just fairly productive college level backs. If that's what they'd be happy with, then they can get one of those in 3-4th Rd's.
Or they can roll the dice a bit. 1st or 2nd Rd's. Try for the bigger immediate impact from a standpoint of running the football and controlling the clock (management).
The year before BA said our biggest weakness is "we couldn't cover the TE".
And the team drafted a SS.
This year it's obviously the run game they're MOST trying to improve. They can do it in two ways and one has apparently been addressed already with two strong POA vet Olinemen.
Thing is, unless we're looking at the next Peterson-like RB prospect, I don't want a RB this high. I think it's poor philosophy, as you can get good RBs later or in FA. They just aren't the same kind of priority any more.
