Colangelo gone to Toronto

[Yuma]

Message from Satan:

Posted: Feb. 27, 2006

Colangelo
Bryan Colangelo, Suns’ President and General Manager, has resigned his position with the team.

“Bryan has decided that his preference is to leave the Suns, and under those circumstances, we saw no other option other than to accept his decision, “ said Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver in making the announcement.

“At the time we bought the team, we agreed to a new three-year contract with Bryan,” continued Sarver. “Dating back to last summer, I assured Bryan of my intention to extend his contract. I’m disappointed with Bryan’s decision but I wish him well.”

“I couldn’t be more excited about the future of our team,” Sarver said. “With Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, Amaré Stoudemire and Mike D’Antoni, our team continues to be headed in the direction of the goal we all share, creating sustainable success for the Phoenix Suns and winning an NBA Championship.”

“We will proceed methodically in deciding Bryan’s replacement but in the meantime we have a tremendous basketball staff in place and they will take on additional responsibilities in the interim.”

Official Suns.com message!

 

[SirStefan32]

Good luck to him.

 

[Mainstreet]

Where's the criticism of Bryan Colangelo for wanting to leave in the middle of a championship run to go to a perennial loser?

Sarver gave Bryan until tomorrow to make a decision about the Toronto job, otherwise, I don't think the change would have been made until the end of the season.

Also Sarver gave Bryan permission to explore another GM position while under contract. I think Toronto's offer of money and control of the team was just too lucrative and attractive to turn down.

To be honest, I think Bryan and Sarver were on different paths concerning the management of this team so the change was inevitable (sooner or later).

I'm not into bashing either Sarver or Bryan, however, it's sad for me personally to see Bryan leave. I will always remember that Jerry bought this team coming out of the drug scandal when attendance was down. If Jerry hadn't been there to buy the Suns, I'm sure another investor would have moved the team to another city.

So I am and always will be grateful for Jerry keeping the Suns in Phoenix with a consistently winning record and that World Championship he brought to the Valley with the Diamondbacks. Watching Bryan grow up under the tutelage of his father, I was hoping Bryan would carry on the Colangelo tradition in Phoenix so naturally I am attached emotionally both to Jerry and Bryan.

It's a sad day for me as I view the Colangelos and the Suns as virtually the same. I hope Jerry stays on board for few years to oversee the Suns and hopefully give Sarver some advice about moving forward with the team.

The biggest potential losers are the fans if Sarver is not intimately concerned with the success of the Suns as were the Colangelos.

I hope the Suns are more than a business venture to Sarver (although I am worried) but I will take a watch and see attitude and try not to judge.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

It was but the inventor was from the United Arab Emerates.

IF the UAE is north of the 49th parallel you are right.

The inventor of basketball is Dr. James Naismith of Almonte, Ontario, Canada (just outside of Ottawa) A former athletic Director at McGill University in Montreal, He developed the new sport while filling a similar role in Mass.

http://www.ku.edu/heritage/graphics/people/naismith.html

 

[fordronken]

In all honesty, here's how I look at the situation-- Bryan Colangelo had every reason to want to run his own team:

a) Be the man. The Suns are a notorious committee based decision making team. In Toronto, he gets whatever he wants as long as it doesn't get voted down by the board of governers.

b) Get a job, for the most part, on his own. Not because he's his daddy's son, which in many ways, he would always have been in Phoenix.

c) Money. I'm not sure how much of an investment he had in the team, but I'm assuming that selling it won't lose him much(or any). He gets paid three times as much in Toronto.

d) A win-win situation. If he makes them great, he's a savior. If not, it's because Toronto is a tough destination to sell.

Now, what really bugs me about this whole thing, and I'll keep saying it: He should absolutely have not been in negotiation with another team while he was under contract, during the season. If he absolutely had to, couldn't he and the Toronto Raptors waited two weeks? A classless move, as I see it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sarver gave Bryan until tomorrow to make a decision about the Toronto job, otherwise, I don't think the change would have been made until the end of the season.

Also Sarver gave Bryan permission to explore another GM position while under contract. I think Toronto's offer of money and control of the team was just too lucrative and attractive to turn down.

To be honest, I think Bryan and Sarver were on different paths concerning the management of this team so the change was inevitable (sooner or later).

I'm not into bashing either Sarver or Bryan, however, it's sad for me personally to see Bryan leave. I will always remember that Jerry bought this team coming out of the drug scandal when attendance was down. If Jerry hadn't been there to buy the Suns, I'm sure another investor would have moved the team to another city.

So I am and always will be grateful for Jerry keeping the Suns in Phoenix with a consistently winning record and that World Championship he brought to the Valley with the Diamondbacks. Watching Bryan grow up under the tutelage of his father, I was hoping Bryan would carry on the Colangelo tradition in Phoenix so naturally I am attached emotionally both to Jerry and Bryan.

It's a sad day for me as I view the Colangelos and the Suns as virtually the same. I hope Jerry stays on board for few years to oversee the Suns and hopefully give Sarver some advice about moving forward with the team.

The biggest potential losers are the fans if Sarver is not intimately concerned with the success of the Suns as were the Colangelos.

I hope the Suns are more than a business venture to Sarver (although I am worried) but I will take a watch and see attitude and try not to judge.

like you i closely tie the suns and the colangeli. i was sad when i heard of the sale and i am sad to see further ties severed. were the colangeli always right in their decisions? no. but they warded one of the perennially best/competitive/entertaining teams in the nba. i never got the feeling they were bottom-lining the team. they wanted to win. sometimes they made mistakes (googs and luc longley), but they were mistakes in the attempts to better the team.

like the colangeli i think sarver wants to win. i also think he's a boob, publicly and the way he treats his staff (from all accounts). unfortunately i also think he's a tremendous ego with little basketball knowledge. it's this last item that frightens me most. i can see him thinking he can win and treat the suns as a bottom-line business at the same time. i think if the colangeli thought they were close to a championship they would have "damned the bottom-line" whereas i think sarver's more likely to say, "we close enough and have a shot" and be done with it. mostly i just think he's a boob.

 

[Chaplin]

Sarver gave Bryan until tomorrow to make a decision about the Toronto job, otherwise, I don't think the change would have been made until the end of the season.

Also Sarver gave Bryan permission to explore another GM position while under contract. I think Toronto's offer of money and control of the team was just too lucrative and attractive to turn down.

To be honest, I think Bryan and Sarver were on different paths concerning the management of this team so the change was inevitable (sooner or later).

I'm not into bashing either Sarver or Bryan, however, it's sad for me personally to see Bryan leave. I will always remember that Jerry bought this team coming out of the drug scandal when attendance was down. If Jerry hadn't been there to buy the Suns, I'm sure another investor would have moved the team to another city.

So I am and always will be grateful for Jerry keeping the Suns in Phoenix with a consistently winning record and that World Championship he brought to the Valley with the Diamondbacks. Watching Bryan grow up under the tutelage of his father, I was hoping Bryan would carry on the Colangelo tradition in Phoenix so naturally I am attached emotionally both to Jerry and Bryan.

It's a sad day for me as I view the Colangelos and the Suns as virtually the same. I hope Jerry stays on board for few years to oversee the Suns and hopefully give Sarver some advice about moving forward with the team.

The biggest potential losers are the fans if Sarver is not intimately concerned with the success of the Suns as were the Colangelos.

I hope the Suns are more than a business venture to Sarver (although I am worried) but I will take a watch and see attitude and try not to judge.

I think it all comes down to what BC's original deal was with Sarver. I can't imagine that the clause about BC being able to talk to other teams was Sarver's idea. It all comes down to what Sarver has done and what BC has done.

The original contract has a clause about BC being able to speak to other teams. Odds are very good that the clause came from BC, not Sarver.

BC: "Hey Robert, the Raptors are asking to speak to me about their GM job."
Sarver: "Hmm, ok. Do you want to speak to them?"
BC: "Yes, I think I'd like to at least hear them out."
Sarver: "Ok, go for it."

There's your permission for BC to talk to Toronto.

JJ: "Hey Mr. Sarver, I would like to go to another team where I am the man."
Sarver: "Is that it? It's not about the money? Because I will match if they offer you a contract."
JJ: "Sure, the money is part of it, but I dont' want to be a 4th wheel. So for that reason, I ask you not to match."
Sarver: "sigh... Ok, JJ, good luck. BC, try to get as much as you can from the Hawks."

Right now, the above two scenarios are what defines Sarver as an owner, and the other party making the requests is the reason that makes the most sense.

The guy is not a basketball mind, we all know that. But neither was Mark Cuban when he took over the Mavs. He was a fan. Sarver is a fan. They're always going to make mistakes, but only 2 Finals appearances (losing ones, I might add) are the legacy of the Colangelos. When the team was sold, we supported it as being bringing in new blood.

 

[Chaplin]

like you i closely tie the suns and the colangeli. i was sad when i heard of the sale and i am sad to see further ties severed. were the colangeli always right in their decisions? no. but they warded one of the perennially best/competitive/entertaining teams in the nba. i never got the feeling they were bottom-lining the team. they wanted to win. sometimes they made mistakes (googs and luc longley), but they were mistakes in the attempts to better the team.

2 losing Finals appearances in 38 years outweighs a 2nd round and out team for 35 years. I can imagine those people that have followed this team since its inception having an entirely different view of this.

like the colangeli i think sarver wants to win. i also think he's a boob, publicly and the way he treats his staff (from all accounts).

I'd like to see where you got these accounts. Seriously, not trying to be argumentative. These opinions are running rampant, and not one person has produced any coherent evidence to support them.

unfortunately i also think he's a tremendous ego with little basketball knowledge. it's this last item that frightens me most. i can see him thinking he can win and treat the suns as a bottom-line business at the same time. i think if the colangeli thought they were close to a championship they would have "damned the bottom-line" whereas i think sarver's more likely to say, "we close enough and have a shot" and be done with it. mostly i just think he's a boob.

Again, where are your references?

 

[Yuma]

Why would you want a guy to serve out a year as GM, when he's already accepted a job at another club? I'd tell him to leave now, too.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

*Sighs*

Is Sarver worse than Bill Bidwill?

I will have a sign made for Wed or Fridays game and it will asy the following:

Didn't resign Joe

Well, considering they got a guy who has proven to be one of their most valuable assets and TWO first rounders for Joe, only after Johnson asked not to be re-signed, I'd say that Sarver made the best of a tough situation.

Chalk one up for RS.

Ran BC out

How? Remember, in order for the girlfriend to cheat, they have to have the desire to. Let's not give Bryan the rose colored glasses here. He's the one who chose to "explore his options" and chose to go to Toronto.

I wish Bryan would have stayed also, but nothing can be done to change that now.

 

[az1965]

Good luck to him.

I have mixed feelings. He had bad and good times with Suns.

 

[elindholm]

Now that Colangelo is gone, any chance the Suns can get Iguodala back?

 

[Chaplin]

Now that Colangelo is gone, any chance the Suns can get Iguodala back?

Imagine if that happened. How many of the Sarver-haters would still hate him??

 

[Mainstreet]

Does anyone really know if Toronto will give any compensation to Phoenix for BC?

If it's spelled out somewhere, I would like to read it or perhaps this is just some hopeful speculation I've read on some posts.

Perhaps more will be known tomorrow if Toronto holds a news conference.

 

[nathan]

Does anyone really know if Toronto will give any compensation to Phoenix for BC?

"Sarver said he will not seek compensation from the Raptors for the loss of Colangelo as the club's president and general manager."

 

[Mainstreet]

"Sarver said he will not seek compensation from the Raptors for the loss of Colangelo as the club's president and general manager."

Thanks for the information nm132.

I'm surprised Bryan did not seek some compensation for the Suns as his final official act as the Suns GM.

Seriously, I think Sarver could have played a little hardball and got some compensation but he probably did not want to alienate JC and possibly the Suns' fans.

However, at least a second round pick would have been nice.

 

[Errntknght]

I wonder if BC will be insulted if the Suns are awarded a second round pick? Actually, Toronto's second round pick this year will be a nice one to have...