Concerns on Rosen

[football karma]

Obvs, not directly about Rosen, but i think it applies.

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[nashman]

Buffalo has a bad offensive line too but did you see the game Allen had yesterday? And Allen doesn't have near the receivers that Rosen has. I'm tired of the excuses. I'm not saying he's a bust but it's not looking like he's the savior people made him out to be. I'm not giving up on him because I'd love to see what a good offensive coach can do with him but as for now, he's on par with Drew Stanton at best.

Drew Stanton lol really? Wow your tough dude has played like a rookie and better with a pathetic coaching staff and no Oline. Judging him at this point is crazy talk. Crap ass receivers who can’t run routes or catch and ridiculously bad coaching and play calling all season. Leftwich a little better but not much because still using McCoys poopy playbook. I think the smart money is wait until he has some competent coaching and players around him. Brady would look like poo on this team with the state of the line and play calling and recievers, expecting a rookie to overcome all of this is just fantasy land!

 

[Matt L]

Buffalo has a bad offensive line too but did you see the game Allen had yesterday? And Allen doesn't have near the receivers that Rosen has. I'm tired of the excuses. I'm not saying he's a bust but it's not looking like he's the savior people made him out to be. I'm not giving up on him because I'd love to see what a good offensive coach can do with him but as for now, he's on par with Drew Stanton at best.

i'm not too familiar with the Bills roster but I find it comical to think that any team would be envying our receiver's room.

I didn't see the bolded part until after i posted by quote response. are you saying his ceiling is Drew Stanton or his career arc will be as a backup? I don't think their playing style is similar at all.

 

[Chopper0080]

Peyton Manning threw for 223 YPG as a rookie. The Colts were 19th in scoring and 29th (2nd to last) in scoring defense. That's why their record was so bad. Also, that was 20 years ago.



Rosen sounded a little shaken up and down in the mouth at the end of today's press conference. There aren't any answers out there for him aside from "I have to play better."

This speaks to bad coaching IMO. But, I also maintain that Rosen can be a top 16 QB in this league. I could be very wrong about that, but I see a QB who is not being given any help and is trying to do way too much which is leading to poor mechanics and bad habits.

 

[Chopper0080]

Buffalo has a bad offensive line too but did you see the game Allen had yesterday? And Allen doesn't have near the receivers that Rosen has. I'm tired of the excuses. I'm not saying he's a bust but it's not looking like he's the savior people made him out to be. I'm not giving up on him because I'd love to see what a good offensive coach can do with him but as for now, he's on par with Drew Stanton at best.

He is early Alex Smith and Jared Goff IMO. Where he goes from here is dependent upon what he is given to work with in relation to coaches and players.

 

[MadCardDisease]

As if getting hit constantly by the opposing defense isn't bad enough:

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[NJCardFan]

i'm not too familiar with the Bills roster but I find it comical to think that any team would be envying our receiver's room.

I didn't see the bolded part until after i posted by quote response. are you saying his ceiling is Drew Stanton or his career arc will be as a backup? I don't think their playing style is similar at all.

I'm saying their production, as of now, is Stanton-esque. I realize the kid is playing behind a paper mache offensive line but as I said, Allen isn't exactly playing behind the '75 Cardinal line either and he had a hell of a game against one of the better defenses in the league.

 

[NJCardFan]

As if getting hit constantly by the opposing defense isn't bad enough:

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Who was the guy who got hurt when a flag got in his facemask and hurt his eye some years back?

 

[NJCardFan]

Drew Stanton lol really? Wow your tough dude has played like a rookie and better with a pathetic coaching staff and no Oline. Judging him at this point is crazy talk. Crap ass receivers who can’t run routes or catch and ridiculously bad coaching and play calling all season. Leftwich a little better but not much because still using McCoys ****** playbook. I think the smart money is wait until he has some competent coaching and players around him. Brady would look like **** on this team with the state of the line and play calling and recievers, expecting a rookie to overcome all of this is just fantasy land!

So Fitz is a "crap ass receiver" now? As I said, look at Allen yesterday. No pro bowl offensive line and less talent at receiver than my high school team and he still made plays. Baker Mayfield doesn't have a line in front of him and look what he did yesterday. At what point is the lackluster play going to be on him? Can't keep making excuses for him.

 

[forever red]

An original 1988 STH here. Without question this is the most poorly coached team I have ever seen in all respects. We don't have one positive thing going for us from offense -defense- special teams to effort to clock management -to halftime adjustments . Watching this coaching staff from week to week triggers this Bill Parcells quote;" when a player (in this case coach) shows you who he is believe him" MB better believe what he is seeing or next year will be just as bad.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Who was the guy who got hurt when a flag got in his facemask and hurt his eye some years back?

Was it Orlando Brown?

 

[sunsfan88]

I think it’s unfair to really judge Rosen’s play with this current roster make up of the team but he’s certainly going to feel the pressure especially with how well other rookies such as Mayfield and Jackson have been playing.

 

[don7031]

Rosen's accuracy is getting worse with each start. He's turning into John Skelton right before our eyes.

 

[jf-08]

Was it Orlando Brown?

yes

 

[DVontel]

I'm saying their production, as of now, is Stanton-esque. I realize the kid is playing behind a paper mache offensive line but as I said, Allen isn't exactly playing behind the '75 Cardinal line either and he had a hell of a game against one of the better defenses in the league.

Hell of a game? What is your definition of his performance yesterday being a “hell of a game?”

 

[TheCardFan]

Was it Orlando Brown?

It was and he had a sad ending to his life. A flag thrown by an official hit him in the eye (ending his career) and he died of diabetes complications at age 40.

His son (Orlando Brown Jr) is a rookie and a starting OT for his old team (Ravens).

 

[Russ Smith]

I still think he has a chance to be a good one but you have to put the right pieces around him and right now we don't have them. I am concerned by some of the picks, the one again yesterday I'm stillnot sure was he throwing to the underneath guy(way behind if he was) or the guy behind him(way short and behind)? Last week same thing one of the picks I had absolutely no idea who he was throwing it to.

he threw lots of picks at UCLA too, didn't surprise me, bad OL bad Wr's in a new offense every year. You could see him getting better in college, honestly his best start with us was his first start.

I'm concerned about all the hits, and the throwing off the backfoot. the players seem to all think he's going to be really good, it's just very hard to judge on such a bad offense, but he's part of why it's so bad right now.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Rosen's accuracy is getting worse with each start. He's turning into John Skelton right before our eyes.

THIS.

Based on completion % ....... He is the 3rd worst QB in the league.

Allen: 52.5%
Darnold: 55%
Rosen: 55.5%
Beatherd & Bortles: 60.4%


And he has no excuses for this..... as we all know....... Because our O-Line is the strength of our team.

 

[pmacLean]

he has the second best receiver to EVER play football ... and he doesn't throw to him ... ooh, he's covered... ooh, I might get an INT (as if you aren't going to get a frigging INT anyway) ... just look at Fitz's career and see how many nobody QB's started throwing to him, because he is one of the best to ever play (and please spare me the 'he's lost a step' crap, he NEVER had that step you think he lost) ... thos 'nobody' QB's just heaved it to him (QB's that weren't heralded as TOP 5 draftable QBs, QB's that didn't have half the rep or expectations Rosen had, what they did have, was a ... 'what the hell, I'm gonna throw to this 1st round hall of famer... what have I got to lose' and he made a lot of them look better than they actually were...

so my concern is, Rosen may not have a clue... that is my fear, next year, we all find out he doesn't have a clue ? (although those who don't have tickets to home games will probably have to read about his cluelessness, because I do not see sell-outs in the immediate future)

 

[GuernseyCard]

Who was the guy who got hurt when a flag got in his facemask and hurt his eye some years back?

Zeus.

 

[Dan H]

Who was the guy who got hurt when a flag got in his facemask and hurt his eye some years back?

Orlando Brown.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/...who-sued-nfl-over-errant-flag-dies-at-40.html

 

[Veer]

THIS.

Based on completion % ....... He is the 3rd worst QB in the league.

Allen: 52.5%
Darnold: 55%
Rosen: 55.5%
Beatherd & Bortles: 60.4%


And he has no excuses for this..... as we all know....... Because our O-Line is the strength of our team.

Beathard and Bortles aren't rookies. They have been in the same scheme for at least two years and have better OL play. Darnold and Allen were picked ahead of Rosen and struggle just like Rosen. Their OL are bad, but still better than what we have. Typical rookie QB seasons for thoses three. You can't write any of them off based on this.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Beathard and Bortles aren't rookies. They have been in the same scheme for at least two years and have better OL play. Darnold and Allen were picked ahead of Rosen and struggle just like Rosen. Their OL are bad, but still better than what we have. Typical rookie QB seasons for thoses three. You can't write any of them off based on this.

Agreed.

Next year will tell the tale though.

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[BigRedRage]

Dude needs the same OC for consecutive years. I don’t remember the last time a QB has had different OCs in 4 straight years.

Alex Smithwent through a run of new OC's each season. Jay Cutler too. Those are names that immediately come to mind.

Bradford too I think?

That kid that was here that sucked but we thought might be good finally. cant remember his name. had a poster come here and talk about how amazing, smart and large phallused he is all the time. I think he was 3rd string last year and ended up playing a bit.

 

[conraddobler]

I kinda wished to just sit Rosen and avoid this exact scenario. This is NOT helpful to a rookie that isn't Joe Montana or something, it's just a bad bad bad idea to let this stench of losing get into their minds.

I'm not saying he's not able to rise above it, I'm just saying it was not necessary because we had players we were paying a lot of money to that could of played and ruined their already old in the tooth careers.

Fans just have to win now even though it was obvious that was not going to happen this year after game one.