Congrats to Barry Bonds...
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Can't rip Barry too much for taking a substance that nobody around baseball (that includes the Commissioner, Players Union, Managers, GM's, Media, and most importantly fans) had any interest in banning until Canseco spilled the beans and mean old Barry started breaking records. Funny how there was no uproar when a clearly 'roided Big Mac broke Roger Maris' record.
So you don't think A Rod is a juicer?????
I think he is, but it would be fun to me for Barry to only have the record for a few years.
Whoa...stop talking logically, the Harley police might come after you!
Barry, roided or not was hitting his dingers off pitchers that were roided up too. I love how everyone talks about older players not cheating, but corked bats, amphetamines and steroids have been used for MANY years, even back to the "great" Hammerin Hank Aaron's days. Of course there is no proof that Aaron did any of those....because they never tested for it.
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Willie Mays has admitted to taking greenies, which is now a banned substance. Does anyone suggest we asterik his 660?
Bonds as a person is a piece of garbage, everyone who has known him ends up loathing him including teammates. But he has never, repeat NEVER broke any of the rules that govern baseball. His record should remain and he should be inducted into the HOF for that reason alone.
Bonds as a person is a piece of garbage, everyone who has known him ends up loathing him including teammates. But he has never, repeat NEVER broke any of the rules that govern baseball. His record should remain and he should be inducted into the HOF for that reason alone.
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THat's what makes it tough for me, Bonds was the best player in the game before he started cheating. I used to be a huge fan but I can't get excited now.
He's still got to hit the ball and considering all the walks his HR totals are pretty incredible, but I can't get past the steroids part with him.
He'll break the record but I gotta say it'll always be tainted IMHO.
82CardsGrad
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I blame Selig as much as I do Bonds for ruining my love of baseball.
I agree - Selig is a SLUG!
What I find fascinating about Bonds' run at the record is that it is bringing to life the full scope, scale and greatness of Aaron. What Hank accomplished - he will still hold a few records that will most likely never be touched (RBI's and Total Bases), and How he did is all being rehashed and brought under new light! Making it very clear that while Bonds' feat is quite the accomplishment, he pales in comparison to Aaron as both a ballplayer and a man...
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What was Bud supposed to do? The Players Union and individual team's front offices did not want steroid testing nor did the media or fans clamor for it. Anyone who blames Bud Selig for the Steriod Era needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves if they cheered for McGwire and Sosa in '98. If your answer is 'yes' then you are just as culpable.
Brian
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Honestly, I was pretty ignorant that year (the year McGwire broke Maris' record). While watching the the hype and media coverage at the time it didn't occur to me they were roided up. Now that I know, I consider McGwire's and Sosa's accomplishments tainted.
82CardsGrad
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Ditto...
And as far as Bud not being able to do anything - that's just B.S.
The MLB Players Union is by far the most powerful union on the planet - I don't doubt that for a second. But if Selig really cared about this issue, I am certain he could have generated an appropriate level of concern with the community and with the media, that would have created more than enough pressure on the union to at minimum, have to discuss the topic and defend their position...
Selig is a SLUG, and to infer that the fans were "complicit" or otherwise culpable is a huge insult!
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Um, there was a published report during the '98 chase of McGwire using Andro. Both him and Sosa had even more of an accelerated growth spurt than did Bonds. That you could play ignorant with those two while leading the Barry Bonds witchhunt is pretty convenient.
82CardsGrad
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I remember the talk about Mcgwire and the Andro. But at that time, I don't recall it being placed in the same context as 'roids... I might be wrong, but didn't Mcgwire himself admit to using Andro at that time? I think he did...
There are mountains of evidence that Bonds has used 'roids, yet he continues to deny it and not address it. Why?
Is this the game with the pucks, or the one with the broom?
Baseball was never my favorite sport to watch though I liked it as a kid, but has become increasingly tiresome as years go by. Good for Bonds, who cares. His record will be bested by someone else juicing as well. MLB effed itself up in this whole debacle. It's kind of sad that I think the NBA has more credibility and yet its refs are in league with the Sopranos.
The MLB is tainted. Bonds was a great player back when his head was proportionatly sized and it isn't like he's not talented. So, a tainted leader now for a tainted sport. Glorious.
Baseball was never my favorite sport to watch though I liked it as a kid, but has become increasingly tiresome as years go by. Good for Bonds, who cares. His record will be bested by someone else juicing as well. MLB effed itself up in this whole debacle. It's kind of sad that I think the NBA has more credibility and yet its refs are in league with the Sopranos.
The MLB is tainted. Bonds was a great player back when his head was proportionatly sized and it isn't like he's not talented. So, a tainted leader now for a tainted sport. Glorious.
MaoTosiFanClub
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Same reason McGwire didn't during the Congressional hearings - the possible legal ramifications of admitting use of an illegal substance in the midst of a witch hunt.
Brian
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I was ignorant to ALL of it back then. How's that for convenient smart guy?
I don't like Barry Bonds, I don't feel he should be the legitimate record holder because he cheated to achieve what he has and that is all just my opinion.
I'm not going after anybody here on the topic, just stating my beliefs and discussing it. Posters have asked me questions/scenarios and I have answered them and given questions/scenarios of my own.
It's not a witchunt, just my opinion about Barry Bonds and him breaking the record.
If it were McGwire or Sosa about to break the record I'd be just as adament (well, not quite because from what I can tell neither are quite the miserable jackass that Bonds is).
MaoTosiFanClub
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Why don't you just come out and say that it's Barry and not the steroids that pisses you off? It is quite transparent that's what the real issue is for you, yet you have chosen to stand behind some pseudo-moralistic BS about steroids.
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I'll say it, I don't like Barry.
82CardsGrad
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Wrong...
You raised the Andro issue and attempted to place it in the same context as 'roids...
Mcgwire, while still playing and in the midst of his HR streak, admitted to using Andro. As fans, are we supposed to be held "culpable" for allowing the use of 'roids to permeate the sport simply because we saw a guy hit a ton of HR's while using Andro - and he admitted it?
You're WAY offbase in trying to minimize Selig's total F-up of this issue by claiming "fans are just as culpable"...
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Few do, but all of baseball record holders aren't exactly choir boys.
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Why wouldn't I? They're both currently banned performance-enhancing substances that fell outside of baseball's rules in the late 90's.
Um, yeah. It was just as much fans as it was Bud Selig turning a blind eye to the ridiculous HR totals and bloated athletes in the latter half of the 1990's.
No, I'm not. You like Harley are getting on moralistic soapboxes to denounce Barry Bonds yet you cheered on obvious steroid users just a few years prior. Congratulations, you're an over-the-top hypocrite with a transparent agenda.
Hard to blame Selig without just saying all or most of the owners were responsible. Can't think of many times Selig acted against the interests/wishes of the owners.
