Cops kicked out of Denny's for having guns; chief bans Denny's

[Mulli]

This thread is now in last word mode.

I win.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How about making up incorrect policy? How about lying about not knowing they were cops? How about lying about a sign on the door that clearly does not exist because corporate has stated they have no such policy? How about the fact that this guy went after the female officer? You don't think this sounds like a trumped up little man trying to bully someone? You don't think you'd be offended if you were being treated like this if you were a cop? Yes, they could have accepted the General Manager's apology but none of us here know how long this went on nor how these officers were treated. IMO, given the known behavior of this manager, I'd tend to side with the officers being justified in their reaction.

Steve

lol

 

[Rivercard]

This thread is now in last word mode.

I win.

I thought we settled this issue 2 pages ago.

 

[earthsci]

I don't see anything wrong with leaving the restaurant after being asked or told or whatever.

Yeah, I can see them being PO'd enough that they may want to leave, but after the GM tried to make it right, let it end. That isn't the end though. The Chief banned any of them from going there...and the story is that the cops were kicked out, which in the end isn't what happened. Lame.

 

[Mulli]

I thought we settled this issue 2 pages ago.

I did as well, but it was just conjecture.

 

[Rivercard]

I did as well, but it was just conjecture.

I'm taking my hoodie and going home.

 

[Linderbee]

Your post involves a lot of conjecture too. But, I'll address just one part of your post. Are you seriously telling me that in a state where carrying a weapon publicly means you are either in law enforcement or you are a criminal, that you find it credible that he would challenge these people? It just wouldn't happen. First off, you never, NEVER, risk something like this with a restaurant full of people. If you don't know they're cops, you call the cops. Any other behavior is foolhardy on a level that rarely exists. I think it's much more likely he's lying than he's one of the dumbest people on the planet.

Steve

They weren't doing anything illegal. The manager thought they were breaking Denny's policy, not the law, unless I'm missing something. I believe the manager would a) have no problem asking them to remove their weapons, and b) would not call the police to enforce Denny's policy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is the exact kind of conjecture I'm referring to. You don't know he "made up policy". It's entirely possible he was just WRONG about the policy.

We also don't know that there wasn't a sign on the door. One says there is, one says there isn't. Maybe he thought the sign read differently than it does. "Went after" the female officer? Really? "Went after"??? Since when is asking someone to remove their weapon "going after"? He went to the female officer because that is the person the customer noticed, and complained about. No, it DOESN'T sound like a little man trying to trump anything up. Lying that he didn't know they were cops??? Since, in their OWN WORDS, they had to tell him they were cops, I believe he didn't know they were. Also, if it were TOTALLY obvious that they were officers, do you really think a customer would complain about them being there? Really? Like everyone has said, most people are happy to see that sort of protection around them.

The General Manager's JOB is to keep his customers happy. He had unhappy customers, and other customers that he BELIEVED was not following company policy. So he did what he should have done, ask the offending customers to remove their weapons. The LAST thing a manager ever wants to do is cause a scene in his restaurant. It makes ALL of your customers uncomfortable.

Well, clearly we see it differently. I seem to have helped take a discussion into argument territory and that wasn't my intention.

Steve

 

[Linderbee]

Well, clearly we see it differently. I seem to have helped take a discussion into argument territory and that wasn't my intention.

Steve

It keeps life lively.

 

[Linderbee]

Now we know why you two are married.

Two peas in a pod.

Yep.

 

[Zeno]

If such a sign even existed it wouldnt be worth it's weight enforcing it. Law enforcement can go pretty much anywhere they want with a firearm that the general public can't as provied by Federal law...banks, airports, schools, airplanes etc...the only place I have ever been asked to disarm is a courthouse and in a jail. I would take offense to a Dennys manager asking me to lock up my weapon when he oviously has no clue and if he insisted I leave then no intevening GM is going to make me want to eat there.

Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act was enacted in 2004....

Sec. 926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement officers

`(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm

Federal Land and Buildings

This law exempts officers from state and local laws concerning concealed carry but not Federal laws. HR 218 does not exempt you on:

Aircraft
Federal buildings
Federal property
National Parks

The law also grants states the authority to:

Permit private property owners to restrict concealed firearms on their property
Permit state and local governments to restrict concealed firearms on state or local government property.

So unless this Denny's had applied for a state permit asking for permission to restrict law enforcement officers ability to carry handguns they would be in violation of an act of Congress.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It keeps life lively.

I think that's why Walmart created spouses. I think it was Walmart.

Steve

 

[Rivercard]

I think that's why Walmart created spouses. I think it was Walmart.

What's their return policy? My wife wants to know.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What's their return policy? My wife wants to know.

LOL.

Steve

 

[Linderbee]

If such a sign even existed it wouldnt be worth it's weight enforcing it. Law enforcement can go pretty much anywhere they want with a firearm that the general public can't as provied by Federal law...banks, airports, schools, airplanes etc...the only place I have ever been asked to disarm is a courthouse and in a jail. I would take offense to a Dennys manager asking me to lock up my weapon when he oviously has no clue and if he insisted I leave then no intevening GM is going to make me want to eat there.

Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act was enacted in 2004....




So unless this Denny's had applied for a state permit asking for permission to restrict law enforcement officers ability to carry handguns they would be in violation of an act of Congress.

Right. Which is why the senior manager said they could stay.

When it all started, the manager did not know they were officers, just regular joes with guns. He THEN misstated company policy. I would think he isn't overly familiar with the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004.

My *other* brother has a motto that I generally try to live by...not always successfully for sure, but it gets me by in general: "Assume ignorance before malice".

 

[Linderbee]

I think that's why Walmart created spouses. I think it was Walmart.

Steve

Ha!

I must've been browsing the clearance aisle...

:runsforcoverfromdcr:

 

[Zeno]

Right. Which is why the senior manager said they could stay.

When it all started, the manager did not know they were officers, just regular joes with guns. He THEN misstated company policy. I would think he isn't overly familiar with the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004.

My *other* brother has a motto that I generally try to live by...not always successfully for sure, but it gets me by in general: "Assume ignorance before malice".

ignorantia legis neminem excusat

He was talking out of his a**, making stuff up...I don't think he misstated anything.

 

[Linderbee]

ignorantia legis neminem excusat

He was talking out of his a**, making stuff up...I don't think he misstated anything.

Yes, that makes MUCH more sense.

 

[Rivercard]

I think that's why Walmart created spouses.

Walmart just announced that their Utah locations are having a BOGO offer!

 

[Zeno]

Yes, that makes MUCH more sense.

It does to me, it is my experience that when people don't know what they are talking about they tend to make stuff up and state it as fact or in this case "policy" to reinforce what they are saying.

The conversation probably went like this...

Manager: "You cant have guns in here"

LEO: "We are all law enforcement, see here are our badges"

Manager: "Well you can't have them in here when you are out of uniform, you have to go put them away"

LEO: "That is not going to happen."

Manager: "Then you have to leave"

LEO: "Why?"

Manager: "Uhh..its company policy"

The idiot likely didn't want to say it was HIS decision so he made up some BS blaming his employer.

 

[Linderbee]

It does to me, it is my experience that when people don't know what they are talking about they tend to make stuff up and state it as fact or in this case "policy" to reinforce what they are saying.

The conversation probably went like this...

Manager: "You cant have guns in here"

LEO: "We are all law enforcement, see here are our badges"

Manager: "Well you can't have them in here when you are out of uniform, you have to go put them away"

LEO: "That is not going to happen."

Manager: "Then you have to leave"

LEO: "Why?"

Manager: "Uhh..its company policy"

The idiot likely didn't want to say it was HIS decision so he made up some BS blaming his employer.

It's possible, but we don't know that. I'll buy that over "He probably got a ticket the day before" and the rest of the ridiculous arguments being thrown around.

It's still ignorance over malice. In your scenario, he was still just trying to do what he thought was his job...not be an *****. It IS company policy that weapons aren't permitted. He may have felt like he dug a hole for himself and lied to try to get out of it.

I just find it unreasonable that he would deliberately do something that could put his job in jeopardy, especially when it involves police, because he felt like puffing his chest. There truly has been nothing in any article to indicate that he was rude to the officers.

 

[cardncubfan]

The official company policy is that police officers can carry so their is no reason to deny service to them. They are no different than any customer looking for food and service.

BIM *there

 

[Mulli]

BIM *there

BOOSH. And that, my friends, should be the end of the thread.

 

[Southpaw]

So I understand correctly, an idiot manager told them to take their guns outside or leave but the "general manager...tried (and failed) to clear up the misunderstanding before the detectives left". Then the department banned their cops from eating there...ever.

Sounds like the cops were being little *******.

Yes.

 

[Southpaw]

The dept rescinded after getting to talk with Denny's.

I've pretty much said my peace on this subject, with the exception of this: NOWHERE does it say that the idiot manager was rude or that a scene was caused.

Facts: Customer complained about weapons. Manager responded to complaint by asking (per the cops' own words--not demanded, ASKED) them to take their weapons to their car or leave. Manager was informed that they were officers. Manager stated policy is only for uniformed officers (incorrectly so). Officers start to leave. Senior manager gets involved and tells officers they do not have to leave. Officers leave anyway.

Any statement by anyone on here regarding demeanor of the manager, or whether or not he really knew what the policy is, is purely conjecture on their part, unless they've read an article stating otherwise that isn't linked to here.

Yes.