Cops kicked out of Denny's for having guns; chief bans Denny's

[Mulli]

Our work is done here sir.

High five.

Can't believe no one else liked the hoodie joke.

 

[AzStevenCal]

On face value it doesn't seem like a person was being discriminated against. Maybe that location does not know their own corporate policy? Cops should be able to carry everywhere IMO, but I don't really care about this incident one way or the other.

Have you ever eaten at Denny's? I'm willing to consider the possibility that this manager was doing what he could to save our cops.

Steve

 

[Shane]

Good for the manager. He has the same right to tell them to leave as the cops did carrying their weapon.

Do you guys have a problem with the 'We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone' as well?

The department banning Denny's is beyond stupid and childish as well.

Only the one that had Skittles.

Now we know why you two are married.

Two peas in a pod.

 

[Mulli]

Can someone explain how it is reasonable to be so scared of gun violence that you complain about something like this to manager?

And since when can you not spot a detective from a mile away?

 

[Shane]

Can someone explain how it is reasonable to be so scared of gun violence that you complain about something like this to manager?

And since when can you not spot a detective from a mile away?

When you hate the cops and just want to create a stir because you were given a ticket the week before or arrested and got your ass beat because you spit on a cop?? lol

 

[Mulli]

When you hate the cops and just want to create a stir because you were given a ticket the week before or arrested and got your ass beat because you spit on a cop?? lol

Right

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Can someone explain how it is reasonable to be so scared of gun violence that you complain about something like this to a manager?

It's the same type of mentality that results in a 6 year-old being suspended from school for pointing his finger like a gun on the playground.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Can someone explain how it is reasonable to be so scared of gun violence that you complain about something like this to manager?

And since when can you not spot a detective from a mile away?

Since I said so... Before that we had no clue...

 

[PortlandCardFan]

It's the same type of mentality that results in a 6 year-old being suspended from school for pointing his finger like a gun on the playground.

One day I was playing with my Hotwheels and I told this girl I was going to run her over!!! I got fired!!!

 

[Zeno]

The Denny's manager is indefensible IMO...he made himself look like an idiot.

Most restaurants encourage law enforcement to eat there and this d-bag first tries to tell them to disarm themselves and then kicks them out when they refuse. Oh and on or off duty shouldn't matter either...law enforcement is law enforcement and most departments(not to mention state law) allow for off duty carry for credential carrying officers.

Denny's corporate office was probably having fits when they heard this story.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ironic that you'd bring that up. Denny's became notorious for denying service to certain customers in the 90's. It cost the chain millions in class action lawsuits.

Wait - wasn't it their right?

It wasn't ironic. It was purposeful.

Discrimination based off of the color of your skin has been illegal since the Civil Rights Discrimination Act. Denny's discriminated after that law was in effect.

There is no discrimination law on gun control.

Nice try. : shakesheadindisgust:

 

[Mulli]

It wasn't ironic. It was purposeful.

Discrimination based off of the color of your skin has been illegal since the Civil Rights Discrimination Act.

Nice try. : shakesheadindisgust:

And that is my problem with reserving the right to refuse service to anyone...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

And that is my problem with reserving the right to refuse service to anyone...

Anyone, but cannot be based off of racial, ethnic, national and religious minorities, or against women.

If it can be proven that they have been discriminated against, using one of those definitions above, civil and federal lawsuits can occur.

You dont think that a private business can refuse service to anyone for any reason?

 

[Mulli]

Anyone, but cannot be based off of racial, ethnic, national and religious minorities, or against women.

If it can be proven that they have been discriminated against, using one of those definitions above, civil and federal lawsuits can occur.

You dont think that a private business can refuse service to anyone for any reason?

You just listed reasons why it is not anyone.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You just listed reasons why it is not anyone.

 

[earthsci]

So I understand correctly, an idiot manager told them to take their guns outside or leave but the "general manager...tried (and failed) to clear up the misunderstanding before the detectives left". Then the department banned their cops from eating there...ever.

Sounds like the cops were being little *******.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So I understand correctly, an idiot manager told them to take their guns outside or leave but the "general manager...tried (and failed) to clear up the misunderstanding before the detectives left". Then the department banned their cops from eating there...ever.

Sounds like the cops were being little *******.

Yep, that pretty much covers it.

+1

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yep, that pretty much covers it.

+1

Nope, comes nowhere close to covering it.

-1

Steve

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Nope, comes nowhere close to covering it.

-1

Steve

How so, the first manager told them to leave citing incorrect policy, the GM came in and tried to get them to stay. The cops said they were leaving anyway.

The Chief bans Denny's and then un-bans them after talking with the GM again.

What am I missing?

 

[Mulli]

So the officers dont have the right to leave when they want? At some point, I don't see anything wrong with the detectives leaving based on what the manager did no matter what the GM did.

And "little *******" ? Come on now.

 

[Linderbee]

So I understand correctly, an idiot manager told them to take their guns outside or leave but the "general manager...tried (and failed) to clear up the misunderstanding before the detectives left". Then the department banned their cops from eating there...ever.

Sounds like the cops were being little *******.

The dept rescinded after getting to talk with Denny's.

I've pretty much said my peace on this subject, with the exception of this: NOWHERE does it say that the idiot manager was rude or that a scene was caused.

Facts: Customer complained about weapons. Manager responded to complaint by asking (per the cops' own words--not demanded, ASKED) them to take their weapons to their car or leave. Manager was informed that they were officers. Manager stated policy is only for uniformed officers (incorrectly so). Officers start to leave. Senior manager gets involved and tells officers they do not have to leave. Officers leave anyway.

Any statement by anyone on here regarding demeanor of the manager, or whether or not he really knew what the policy is, is purely conjecture on their part, unless they've read an article stating otherwise that isn't linked to here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So the officers dont have the right to leave when they want? At some point, I don't see anything wrong with the detectives leaving based on what the manager did no matter what the GM did.

And "little *******" ? Come on now.

Of course they have the right to leave. Complaining to their Chief about the ordeal is a bit much.

Nobody seems to have a problem with them leaving itself. It seems that the attitude appears to be 'they shouldn't have asked them to leave, because they were cops'

 

[AzStevenCal]

How so, the first manager told them to leave citing incorrect policy, the GM came in and tried to get them to stay. The cops said they were leaving anyway.

The Chief bans Denny's and then un-bans them after talking with the GM again.

What am I missing?

How about making up incorrect policy? How about lying about not knowing they were cops? How about lying about a sign on the door that clearly does not exist because corporate has stated they have no such policy? How about the fact that this guy went after the female officer? You don't think this sounds like a trumped up little man trying to bully someone? You don't think you'd be offended if you were being treated like this if you were a cop? Yes, they could have accepted the General Manager's apology but none of us here know how long this went on nor how these officers were treated. IMO, given the known behavior of this manager, I'd tend to side with the officers being justified in their reaction.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

Manager was unreasonable. Detectives knew he was being unreasonable. They may have even knew the policy or at maybe had never had a problem before.

I don't see anything wrong with leaving the restaurant after being asked or told or whatever.

 

[Linderbee]

How about making up incorrect policy? How about lying about not knowing they were cops? How about lying about a sign on the door that clearly does not exist because corporate has stated they have no such policy? How about the fact that this guy went after the female officer? You don't think this sounds like a trumped up little man trying to bully someone? You don't think you'd be offended if you were being treated like this if you were a cop? Yes, they could have accepted the General Manager's apology but none of us here know how long this went on nor how these officers were treated. IMO, given the known behavior of this manager, I'd tend to side with the officers being justified in their reaction.

Steve

This is the exact kind of conjecture I'm referring to. You don't know he "made up policy". It's entirely possible he was just WRONG about the policy.

We also don't know that there wasn't a sign on the door. One says there is, one says there isn't. Maybe he thought the sign read differently than it does. "Went after" the female officer? Really? "Went after"??? Since when is asking someone to remove their weapon "going after"? He went to the female officer because that is the person the customer noticed, and complained about. No, it DOESN'T sound like a little man trying to trump anything up. Lying that he didn't know they were cops??? Since, in their OWN WORDS, they had to tell him they were cops, I believe he didn't know they were. Also, if it were TOTALLY obvious that they were officers, do you really think a customer would complain about them being there? Really? Like everyone has said, most people are happy to see that sort of protection around them.

The General Manager's JOB is to keep his customers happy. He had unhappy customers, and other customers that he BELIEVED was not following company policy. So he did what he should have done, ask the offending customers to remove their weapons. The LAST thing a manager ever wants to do is cause a scene in his restaurant. It makes ALL of your customers uncomfortable.