Cops kicked out of Denny's for having guns; chief bans Denny's

[Southpaw]

What is worse?

1. Calling customers 3 fat girls

or

2. Asking plain clothes cops to remove their weapons


BTW, is this the new protocol to go public when feelings are hurt? Still trying to figure out in both cases who tipped the media and why?

 

[Rivercard]

What is worse?

1. Calling customers 3 fat girls
or
2. Asking plain clothes cops to remove their weapons

Is "none of the above" an option?

 

[Southpaw]

Is "none of the above" an option?

None of the above did not make national media.

 

[Rivercard]

None of the above did not make national media.

Why some folks think this story is so important I don't know, but based on the fact that this thread is now over 100 posts and going strong, clearly the media made the right decision to report on it.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Cops kicked out of Denny's for having guns; chief bans Denny's

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cops-dennys-guns-20130103,0,6803203.story

Are you a cop? Do you carry a gun? Don't go to the Denny's in Belleville, Ill.

You are not allowed, the police chief says. Not after what happened Tuesday.

The flapjacks -- sorry, the flap -- began when several on-duty detectives with the Belleville Police Department dropped in to Denny's for some on-duty noshing, according to local media.

They had their badges and their guns, but as detectives, not their uniforms, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. This bothered a patron who then complained to a manager, David Rice, who then complained to one of the detectives: Please take your gun to your car or leave. No guns allowed.

LOL, My dad grew up in Belleville, Ill.

 

[Mulli]

So the thread title is inaccurate? They were not kicked out?

 

[cardncubfan]

BOOSH. And that, my friends, should be the end of the thread.

Linder had one too but I let it slide.

 

[Southpaw]

The detectives asked Rice whether he wanted them to stop eating and they were told they could take their food with them. Sax said the detectives advised the manager they would not leave weapons outside while on duty and stood up to leave.

As the detectives were leaving the restaurant, Sax said General Manager Michael Van walked up and advised Rice it was fine for the detectives to be in the restaurant.

"At this point, the detectives were embarrassed and felt the situation was entirely too awkward for them to remain and all left the restaurant," Sax said.

Sax said there was no sign posted on the door of the restaurant stating police officers must be in uniform if they have a weapon.

At the time of the incident, all the detectives were wearing plain clothes, according to Sax. He said three of the detectives had their badges clipped on their belt next to their duty weapon, and the other two had their badges hanging from a chain around their necks, all in plain sight. There were also several portable police radios on the table for the working detectives to monitor other police activities.

Clay was notified by Capt. John Moody, chief of investigations, about the incident at about 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, which was a holiday.

"This was an insult, a slap in the face, to those detectives and to all of the men and women who proudly wear the uniform or badge and serve in law enforcement," Clay said. "This individual (Rice) was the manager of Denny's. He therefore speaks for Denny's, in my mind.

"This policy effectively prohibits on-duty sworn police officers from dining in a Denny's Restaurant, but allows 'registered sex offenders,' 'felons' and or 'pedophiles' to enjoy a dining experience in Denny's," he said. "While I am appalled at this policy, I am sadly not shocked by it. We see so much political stupidness carried out in this day and age. I am hopeful that this incident reflects on the poor judgment of one individual and not the Denny's restaurant chain."

Word about the incident involving the Belleville police detectives circulated rapidly Tuesday and Wednesday on social media sites such as Facebook.

"I had hoped to meet privately with members of Denny's management on a regional level to discuss this policy and share our views," Clay said. "However in today's world of instant social media, such events are difficult if not impossible to resolve confidentially."

Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/2013/01/02/2445297/belleville-chief-bans-on-duty.html#storylink=cpy

Bingo. Twitter/Facebook

 

[Brian in Mesa]

BIM *there

Ugh. Hate when I edit and do not change words like that. Grrr. I originally typed something like: "The official company policy is that police officers can carry so their being armed is no different than their being black." Then I thought - wait...they might be black. Who knows? LOL

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Linder had one too but I let it slide.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Most of the points have been discussed at length but the manager should be fired. His willful and wanton stupidity in this instance is damaging to the reputation of the business he is supposed to be managing.

His actions have likely hurt not just the bottom line of the company but also caused hardship upon the team he is managing. You can certainly expect lowered business during this time so his employees through no fault of their own will struggle accordingly.

That is inexcusable. It doesn't matter how the story got blown up. I certainly would not go to that Denny's as long it was under such bumbling management.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Denny's manager offering free meals to police officers

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/355142/3/Dennys-manager-offering-free-meals-to-police-officers

The manager of a Denny's that asked a group of detectives to leave the restaurant because one of their weapons was making a customer uncomfortable is offering free food to police officers.

The free meals will be offered from 7 a.m. until 10 p.m. at 1130 South Illinois Street.

 

[Rivercard]

the manager should be fired. That is inexcusable. It doesn't matter how the story got blown up. I certainly would not go to that Denny's as long it was under such bumbling management.

Fired? Inexcusable? Good lord, you even admit that you have no idea how the story has "blown up". All this angst over a metal object that propels other metal objects. Why the politically correct full court press over this meaningless isolated incedent? Very strange.

 

[TheHopToad]

Don't fire the poor guy, just make him eat there. That's punishment enough...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Fired? Inexcusable? Good lord, you even admit that you have no idea how the story has "blown up". All this angst over a metal object that propels other metal objects. Why the politically correct full court press over this meaningless isolated incedent? Very strange.

Absolutely fired. He is costing the company money and his co workers money. He is a detriment both from a PR stand point but also from the decision making stand point.

If you aren't a benefit, you are a detriment.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Fired? Inexcusable? Good lord, you even admit that you have no idea how the story has "blown up". All this angst over a metal object that propels other metal objects. Why the politically correct full court press over this meaningless isolated incedent? Very strange.

And the "How it got blown up" was in regards to some of the comments I have seen on here that are attempts to reflect from the real issue...an incredibly poor decision made by an employee and overall poor customer service.

He was a representative of the Denny's Franchise as a manager. Continuing to leave him in his current position only reinforces the very decision making that got you to this point in the first place.

 

[Linderbee]

So the thread title is inaccurate? They were not kicked out?

The title of the article is inaccurate; the thread title is a verbatim copy of the article's title.

Linder had one too but I let it slide.

Now you've got me wondering where. I re-read every post I have in this thread and can't find any misspelled words, or incorrect homonyms, etc...unless you are referring to "said my peace". That is the exact word I meant to use, and the 'net is chock full of arguments on the subject, apparently. In every book I've ever seen it written in, it's "Say your peace", as opposed to, for example, "speak now or forever hold your peace".

As someone in some other forum stated, "It has to be with having no peace as long as you have something to say, but don't say it. Once you have expressed fully what is bothering you about the situation, your mind is at peace--whether it changes anything or not, you've said all you need to say--you've said your peace."

If that's not it, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm afraid I'm opening a can of worms...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

BTW...I generally agree with everyone who has said that the police department banning all the police from going to Denny's is equally stupid.

I would personally chose not to go to that Denny's, but I wouldn't make my employees follow my wishes.

Overreaction compounded by overreaction.

 

[Southpaw]

Most of the points have been discussed at length but the manager should be fired. His willful and wanton stupidity in this instance is damaging to the reputation of the business he is supposed to be managing.

His actions have likely hurt not just the bottom line of the company but also caused hardship upon the team he is managing. You can certainly expect lowered business during this time so his employees through no fault of their own will struggle accordingly.

That is inexcusable. It doesn't matter how the story got blown up. I certainly would not go to that Denny's as long it was under such bumbling management.

Denny's asst. mgr arguably fumbled the ball. Chief of Police admittedly over reacted and made arguably a rash decision. Does the Chief make other rash decisions? Does the Ass't. Mgr make other bumbling decisions? Maybe. Fire everyone or consider this a blown out of proportion social network event and no one gets fired after they kiss and make up? I hate social networking and I don't hate many things.

Personally, I can live my life just fine with a bumbling low payed ass't. mgr more than a knee jerk Police Chief.

 

[Mulli]

So thread title is inaccurate. +1 to Mulli.

The title of the article is inaccurate; the thread title is a verbatim copy of the article's title.


Now you've got me wondering where. I re-read every post I have in this thread and can't find any misspelled words, or incorrect homonyms, etc...unless you are referring to "said my peace". That is the exact word I meant to use, and the 'net is chock full of arguments on the subject, apparently. In every book I've ever seen it written in, it's "Say your peace", as opposed to, for example, "speak now or forever hold your peace".

As someone in some other forum stated, "It has to be with having no peace as long as you have something to say, but don't say it. Once you have expressed fully what is bothering you about the situation, your mind is at peace--whether it changes anything or not, you've said all you need to say--you've said your peace."

If that's not it, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm afraid I'm opening a can of worms...

 

[cardncubfan]

The title of the article is inaccurate; the thread title is a verbatim copy of the article's title.


Now you've got me wondering where. I re-read every post I have in this thread and can't find any misspelled words, or incorrect homonyms, etc...unless you are referring to "said my peace". That is the exact word I meant to use, and the 'net is chock full of arguments on the subject, apparently. In every book I've ever seen it written in, it's "Say your peace", as opposed to, for example, "speak now or forever hold your peace".

As someone in some other forum stated, "It has to be with having no peace as long as you have something to say, but don't say it. Once you have expressed fully what is bothering you about the situation, your mind is at peace--whether it changes anything or not, you've said all you need to say--you've said your peace."

If that's not it, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm afraid I'm opening a can of worms...

That is the one LinderBee. I've always read it as "say your piece". But I've been wrong before.

 

[Linderbee]

That is the one LinderBee. I've always read it as "say your piece". But I've been wrong before.

I honestly don't know which is correct...but if I'm wrong, I'm afraid there's no changing this leopard's spots. I'll never use "say your piece". The 'net (fwiw) seems to lean in your favor, however.

 

[Mulli]

That is the one LinderBee. I've always read it as "say your piece". But I've been wrong before.

So have you said your piece/peace?

 

[Rivercard]

Overreaction compounded by overreaction.

Which ironically, many people are overreacting to by calling for firings, getting free meals, police boycotts, etc. This is an early candidate for the silliest story of 2013 award.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The detectives asked Rice whether he wanted them to stop eating and they were told they could take their food with them. Sax said the detectives advised the manager they would not leave weapons outside while on duty and stood up to leave.

As the detectives were leaving the restaurant, Sax said General Manager Michael Van walked up and advised Rice it was fine for the detectives to be in the restaurant.

"At this point, the detectives were embarrassed and felt the situation was entirely too awkward for them to remain and all left the restaurant," Sax said.

Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/2013/01/02/2445297/belleville-chief-bans-on-duty.html#storylink=cpy

For those suggesting the officers had finished their meal and were leaving voluntarily.

Steve