Could A-Dub be suspended for the hit on Davis

[conraddobler]

I've seen dozens of hits by Wilson, they're legal, he hits like a freakin Semi.

By the letter of the law he's legal, he leads with his shoulder, it's brutal and he nearly takes 5 years off their lives but again it's legal.

It just looks like it's illegal, or they just think anyone hitting like that should be illegal but it's not IMO illegal all the times he's flagged for it.

He has a rep, video review means nothing after the fact, he's got a rep, thus they go after him but he's relatively careful never to lead with his head.

Anyone remember this?

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/98070

 

[joeshmo]

What? You can lead with your shoulder, forearm. 90% of tackling is shoulder/forearm. As long as you aren't hitting the helmet first, then you can make contact with the helmet. The rule is that the initial contact cannot be on the helmet. Helmets collide on nearly every play in the NFL.

That is not right. You are only right if the player isnt a defensless receiver(any reciever is consider defenseless until they have control of the ball, two feet on the ground), but since Davis according to the letter of the rule is a defensless reciever it doesnt matter how it happened, a blow to the head is a blow to the head regardless of richochet. Had this explained to me by an an actual scout who was in the room when the refs explained it to the teams during training camp.

It all comes down to this, why try tackling the guys head and put yourself in that situation in the first place. What is wrong with text book tackle the numbers these days.

When he gets his fine or not on Tuesday we will know if he did it or not, and it wont be because of this ridiculous idea that the NFL is just picking on him.

 

[gohard83]

Dirty dirty hit

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if that's not helmet to helmet what is??

 

[joeshmo]

He has a rep, video review means nothing after the fact, he's got a rep, thus they go after him but he's relatively careful never to lead with his head.

Yep the NFL is picking on poor old Adrian Wilson, after they look at various video reviews and see these clean hits they still decide to fine him and send him a letter threatening suspension.

Poor, Poor, Adrian Wilson.

A flag during the game can be placed upon rep, but the fine after the fact is not.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That is not right. You are only right if the player isnt a defensless receiver(any reciever is consider defenseless until they have control of the ball, two feet on the ground), but since Davis according to the letter of the rule is a defensless reciever it doesnt matter how it happened, a blow to the head is a blow to the head regardless of richochet. Had this explained to me by an an actual scout who was in the room when the refs explained it to the teams during training camp.

It all comes down to this, why try tackling the guys head and put yourself in that situation in the first place. What is wrong with text book tackle the numbers these days.

When he gets his fine or not on Tuesday we will know if he did it or not, and it wont be because of this ridiculous idea that the NFL is just picking on him.

Hmm. That is not how I heard the rule interpreted by the officials when they do that segment on the NFL Network.

Anywho, I don't think that the league is picking on him.

 

[conraddobler]

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if that's not helmet to helmet what is??

His head does not rock back fast enough to be a true helmet to helmet hit, it goes back in line with the momentum of the shoulder IMO.

Helmet to helmet produces a violent bounceback from the head, as the helmets bounce off each other.

Not saying they don't touch, but that's not the rule, the rule is you can't lead with it, so if his shoulder touches the guys chest first he can lay him out.

That's the rule.

Even if it is helmet to helmet that video shows he's either great at timing his hits to make sure helmets hit or if it was possibly a penalty he simply had the guy fall down into him, the guy was like 4 feet higher when he launched at him.

 

[Derm]

Dirty dirty hit

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if that's not helmet to helmet what is??

Thanks for the video - it makes me feel better that you're hurt by the hit.

 

[gohard83]

His head does not rock back fast enough to be a true helmet to helmet hit, it goes back in line with the momentum of the shoulder IMO.

Helmet to helmet produces a violent bounceback from the head, as the helmets bounce off each other.

Not saying they don't touch, but that's not the rule, the rule is you can't lead with it, so if his shoulder touches the guys chest first he can lay him out.

That's the rule.

Even if it is helmet to helmet that video shows he's either great at timing his hits to make sure helmets hit or if it was possibly a penalty he simply had the guy fall down into him, the guy was like 4 feet higher when he launched at him.

That's funny because all the commentators seemed to agree and so did the refs. Also you are not suppose to hit a defenseless player while he's in the air like that. That's the rule too. Maybe Wilson should've spent more time studying the rulebook since he's a safety.

 

[PoolBoy]

apparentely A-Dub is getting fined $100,000 for the hit per my friend listening to an interview with Wilson on 910. CRAZY

 

[Chaz]

This is crazy.

He didn't leave hit feet and launch himself at the receiver, he didn't lead with the crown of his helmet, and he didn't go at the head of the receiver.

Aren't safeties supposed to try and separate the player from the ball?


If you are going to call that then fine, call them all. How about the Packers player during the preaseason that lead with the crown of his helmet and drilled LSH in the ear hole? No penalty called. Just a clean hit I guess.

The is the biggest area of inconsistency in the league and their biggest enforcement issue IMO.

 

[PoolBoy]

if this was Troy Palomalu there would be no fine and he would be commended for the big hit by talking heads around the league IMO

 

[CardLogic]

apparentely A-Dub is getting fined $100,000 for the hit per my friend listening to an interview with Wilson on 910. CRAZY

If true the Cardinals should fight it with every ability they have.

This crap is getting out of hand! Enough so that I am seriously considering giving up my fanatical interest in the NFL. So the rule is to be interpreted as to let the receiver catch the ball and land prior to making contact?

It's ********!

And yes, A-Dub is being unfairly targeted by officials because the guy has an uncanny ability to unload at the moment of impact!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Dirty dirty hit

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if that's not helmet to helmet what is??

Dirty!? He launched into him with his SHOULDER NOT his HELMET...

Why dont you go back to Niner land where you belong and stop trolling around here you pest?

 

[Duckjake]

Dirty!? He launched into him with his SHOULDER NOT his HELMET...

Why dont you go back to Niner land where you belong and stop trolling around here you pest?

The play was right in front of us.

It was perfectly clear when it happened that Wilson hit him with his shoulder in the chest area not in the helmet or with the helmet.

 

[Derm]

That's funny because all the commentators seemed to agree and so did the refs. Also you are not suppose to hit a defenseless player while he's in the air like that. That's the rule too. Maybe Wilson should've spent more time studying the rulebook since he's a safety.

So gohard, he should gosoft? football too tough for your liking?

 

[Dayman]

apparentely A-Dub is getting fined $100,000 for the hit per my friend listening to an interview with Wilson on 910. CRAZY

At least he isn't getting suspended. Good news for us. Not so much for Adrian's bank account.

 

[Catfish]

I have watched it many times and it still looks like helmet to helmet. But that is besides the point.

Shoulder, forearm, helmet to helmet is not legal. Does everyone already not remember the Hines Ward rule that was put into effect this season? The players had refs talk to them at every training camp about this specific new rule, they talk to the players every year about new rules or rules that will be enforced harder, they give video examples and everything.

You have it correct Joe----While the player is defensless, there can be NO blow to the head, whether with the helmet, foot, forearm, shoulder, or whatever, whether or not it comes before the chest, after the chest, or during the chest. None of that matters if the player cannot defend himself. Wilson HAS to know this, yet he keeps insisting his hits are legal, when the Commish has already warned him, fined him, and threatened suspension. This trend of ignoring the commissioner's rulings has lead to a number of players losing playing time, some for more than a year, and it does not bode well for Wilson on Tuesday. The Commish doesn't like to be ignored.

 

[nashman]

similar hit as that in the last few minutes of the raider game tonight and guess what NO flag! Its crap, its FOOTBALL not little girls running around playing tag, it clearly didn't hurt Davis as he jumped right up, when you go across the middle that stuff happens!

 

[PoolBoy]

similar hit as that in the last few minutes of the raider game tonight and guess what NO flag! Its crap, its FOOTBALL not little girls running around playing tag, it clearly didn't hurt Davis as he jumped right up, when you go across the middle that stuff happens!

i thought the raider hit was worse
clearly led with his head.

 

[ajcardfan]

similar hit as that in the last few minutes of the raider game tonight and guess what NO flag! Its crap, its FOOTBALL not little girls running around playing tag, it clearly didn't hurt Davis as he jumped right up, when you go across the middle that stuff happens!

i agree. If wilson is punished, the SD player has to be as well. (Remember, Wilson's hit on Edwards last year was not flagged either.) I see no significant difference in the two hits. Primarily shoulder in the chest, recoil of the bodies bringing the helmets into contact.

 

[lauraw]

That angle on the video looks pretty incriminating; maybe they have a better view at the league office. Adrian wilson has never been accused of being a "Dirty" player, has he?

 

[Russ Smith]

That's funny because all the commentators seemed to agree and so did the refs. Also you are not suppose to hit a defenseless player while he's in the air like that. That's the rule too. Maybe Wilson should've spent more time studying the rulebook since he's a safety.

I still say that's a penalty and anybody that doesn't think that's helmet to helmet is wearing Cards blinders.

The only excuse AW can make is I was aiming for his chest but because he was in the air, gravity was bringing him down and his head ended up where his chest was.

But the rule is clear, defenseless player any hit to the head is a penalty. Billick went into great detail about this in the Cleveland game to explain why Jamal Lewis got a helmet to helmet hit on a run play with no penalty. Runners with the ball are not defenseless by rule.

 

[Russ Smith]

Watch it again. Helmet to helmet is OK, if that is not the first contact that is made. The shoulder made contact before the helmets, therefore legal.

NO it isn't, they changed the rules. You can't hit a defenseless player in the head period. Not with the helmet, not with the shoulder, not with an elbow, any hit to the head of a defenseless player is a penalty. The definition of defenseless player is exactly what Vernon Davis was on that play.

Again in the Cleveland game the play by play guy was yelling for a helmet to helmet on a hit on Jamal Lewis and Billick spent a good 3 minutes explaining why it's the most misunderstood rule in the NFL by fans and apparently play by play announcers. He was very clear, what people think is the rule and what is the rule are 2 different things, any blow to the head is against the rules if the player is defenseless. A RB running full speed ahead head down you can hit him helmet to helmet because by definition he is not defenseless.

 

[nashman]

Russ what about the hit on the Raider during the last TD drive by the Raiders? Guy blindsided a defenseless player looked nearly to what AW did and the announcers go on and on about thats a good hard legal football hit. Its crap if you get a bad rep for it your gonna get flagged but since it only happens to screw teams like the Cards, or Raiders or other bad teams they let it go, if AW was a NE safety it would be great hard defense!

 

[Russ Smith]

i agree. If wilson is punished, the SD player has to be as well. (Remember, Wilson's hit on Edwards last year was not flagged either.) I see no significant difference in the two hits. Primarily shoulder in the chest, recoil of the bodies bringing the helmets into contact.

The difference is Weddle didn't hit Higgins in the head. After the game they had Cable on local tv, the announcer asked him about Higgins, is he ok, does he have a concussion etc. He said no he didn't get hit in the head, he got the wind knocked out of him and hurt his shoulder. This morning Higgins is listed as having a shoulder injury.

If you read the story about a possible suspension of Wilson, even Whiz doesn't argue about the hit. he said it was unfortunate, he led with his shoulder trying to hit the chest but the guy had jumped and was coming down
"and it's unfortunate. Those are very tough things." He's saying yes he hit him in the head but he didn't try to.

Wilson admits he was told last year next time you do that it's 50K and 1 game suspension. He also said he refuses to change the way he plays.

Davis said he was wobbly but he wasn't injured and was of course able to come back into the game. One of the first things they did when he got to the bench was inspect his helmet to see if anything had broken on the hit.

I hope he's not suspended but it's just a matter of time before he is because he refuses to adapt to the rule.