Could A-Dub be suspended for the hit on Davis

[Russ Smith]

Russ what about the hit on the Raider during the last TD drive by the Raiders? Guy blindsided a defenseless player looked nearly to what AW did and the announcers go on and on about thats a good hard legal football hit. Its crap if you get a bad rep for it your gonna get flagged but since it only happens to screw teams like the Cards, or Raiders or other bad teams they let it go, if AW was a NE safety it would be great hard defense!

Again, Weddle didn't hit Higgins in the head, he hit him in the shoulder. In fact he hit him so hard they took xrays after the game to make sure his clavicle wasn't broken. HIggins is on the injury list right now with a shoulder injury they don't know if he'll play next week or not. Cable said on tv after the game Higgins was not hit in the head, he had the wind knocked out of him and his shoulder was jacked up.

 

[Russ Smith]

Here's the Weddle hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49iVrJnahLI

Sorry I can't seem to get it to go into the post so that's just a link that hopefully won't be pulled.

You can see clearly the hit is on the shoulder not the head. The rule is very clear hits to the head on a defenseless player are a penalty.

 

[RedViper]

This is BS. There is a seperate set of rules for AW. It was apparent in the Steelers preseason game when dirty Harrison completely picked up Leinart and drove him into the ground with all his weight. When AW lands on Edwards last year in the Buffalo game, a new rule is made up that AW is not allowed to drive the quarterback in the ground. When we play the Steelers, the rule mysteriously vanishes and our QB doesn't get that protection. I'm sure our wideouts don't get the protection of the special AW rules either. The Cardinals need to fight back on this thing, or simply cut AW. Sickening.

 

[devilfan02]

Here's the Weddle hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49iVrJnahLI

Sorry I can't seem to get it to go into the post so that's just a link that hopefully won't be pulled.

You can see clearly the hit is on the shoulder not the head. The rule is very clear hits to the head on a defenseless player are a penalty.

Weddle's hit was as much helmet-to-helmet as Wilson's hit on Davis and I don't have "CardsBlinders" on. I have no idea how anyone can call Wilson hit dirty. If Patrick Willis made the same hit on Spach, the 49er fans would be as pissed as we are.

This leads me to the new "defenseless player" rule which is complete ********. IMO, Weddle's hit was much more dangerous than Wilsons. All Wilson did was lower his shoulder to try and disrupt a 6'5 TE from catching the ball. You can tell he never intended to lead with his helmet or hit him helmet-to-helmet. Higgins was in far more danger from Weddles hit (had to get walked off the field) and in my opinion more "defenseless." I'm not arguing with you but rather the rule. It 's taking away from the game in a big way.

The refs in Week 1 were clearly out to set the tone on protecting players. The roughing the passer call on Vince Wilfork last night was embarrassing. The NFL will turn into the NBA if they continue to call BS penalties like the Wilson and Wilfork ones. You can't even touch anyone in the NBA anymore, not even worht watching

 

[nashman]

Disagree Russ watch the video you posted their helmets hit the same as AW's did. Its nearly an identical situation except the Weddle hit was totally blind which imo is much more of hitting a defensless player as the player had NO idea he was going to get crushed. AW came right Davis in his face and Davis knew he was going to get rocked! Its BS is what it is AW has a history of some hard hits and is going to pay for them because is a Cardinal, not a Steeler or Patriot!!!!!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Do we have any confirmation of the fine?

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Do we have any confirmation of the fine?

IIRC, the $100,000 fine mentioned on 910 earlier in this thread was what the league charged AW last year. Fines/suspensions are usually handed out on Fridays, I think, so we might not know for a few days about this hit (which seems terribly unfair to a team trying to game plan...so I may be wrong here).

 

[Russ Smith]

Weddle's hit was as much helmet-to-helmet as Wilson's hit on Davis and I don't have "CardsBlinders" on. I have no idea how anyone can call Wilson hit dirty. If Patrick Willis made the same hit on Spach, the 49er fans would be as pissed as we are.

This leads me to the new "defenseless player" rule which is complete ********. IMO, Weddle's hit was much more dangerous than Wilsons. All Wilson did was lower his shoulder to try and disrupt a 6'5 TE from catching the ball. You can tell he never intended to lead with his helmet or hit him helmet-to-helmet. Higgins was in far more danger from Weddles hit (had to get walked off the field) and in my opinion more "defenseless." I'm not arguing with you but rather the rule. It 's taking away from the game in a big way.

The refs in Week 1 were clearly out to set the tone on protecting players. The roughing the passer call on Vince Wilfork last night was embarrassing. The NFL will turn into the NBA if they continue to call BS penalties like the Wilson and Wilfork ones. You can't even touch anyone in the NBA anymore, not even worht watching

I don't think it was dirty, I think it was illegal because no matter what he intended to do, he wound up hitting Davis in the head which is a penalty under the rule.

I would agree that AW was probably trying to drill him chest high and knock the ball out the problem is he does this 3-4 times a year, at some point most players learn well that doesn't work, I won't do it anymore. AW not only doesn't learn, he flaunts the fact that he won't learn, I won't change how I play.

The rule doesn't judge the intent it judges the outcome. He hit Davis in the head, Weddle hit Higgins in the shoulder, which is why the first one is a penalty and the second one wasn't. There's no question AW's got a reputation which hurts him on close calls but he's earned that rep by repeatedly doing this and refusing to change.

 

[Russ Smith]

Disagree Russ watch the video you posted their helmets hit the same as AW's did. Its nearly an identical situation except the Weddle hit was totally blind which imo is much more of hitting a defensless player as the player had NO idea he was going to get crushed. AW came right Davis in his face and Davis knew he was going to get rocked! Its BS is what it is AW has a history of some hard hits and is going to pay for them because is a Cardinal, not a Steeler or Patriot!!!!!!

I don't know what else to say if you think Weddle hit him helmet to helmet. Cable and Higgins both said he didn't get hit in the head, it was in the shoulder. When they took him off they thought he might have broken his clavicle. Davis' hit they took his helmet off and inspected it on the sideline to make sure nothign broke when it hit Wilson's helmet.

Polamalu got one of those same penalties in his first game. Wilfork and adalius Thomas both got roughing calls last night that were iffy, they both play for NE.

 

[Russ Smith]

IIRC, the $100,000 fine mentioned on 910 earlier in this thread was what the league charged AW last year. Fines/suspensions are usually handed out on Fridays, I think, so we might not know for a few days about this hit (which seems terribly unfair to a team trying to game plan...so I may be wrong here).

The story I read locally said Wilson was notified last year the next one would be 50K and a 1 game suspension. I think that's subject to the league's review in other words just getting a roughing penalty is not an automatic fine and suspension for him, the league has to review it and agree with the call.

Initially I didn't think he would get suspended, now I do, it won't help his cause at all that he continues to say that's how I play I'll do it again, that's not what the league wants to hear.

 

[conraddobler]

The flag I can understand, I think it's lame but probably within the rules, he shouldn't be fined though, there was no intent to do anything but hit him.

The player fell down into the hit, now that we know they won't suspend him, I hope they don't fine him either.

 

[devilfan02]

I don't think it was dirty, I think it was illegal because no matter what he intended to do, he wound up hitting Davis in the head which is a penalty under the rule.

I would agree that AW was probably trying to drill him chest high and knock the ball out the problem is he does this 3-4 times a year, at some point most players learn well that doesn't work, I won't do it anymore. AW not only doesn't learn, he flaunts the fact that he won't learn, I won't change how I play.

The rule doesn't judge the intent it judges the outcome. He hit Davis in the head, Weddle hit Higgins in the shoulder, which is why the first one is a penalty and the second one wasn't. There's no question AW's got a reputation which hurts him on close calls but he's earned that rep by repeatedly doing this and refusing to change.

I don't disagree w/ you regarding AW hitting a "defenseless" player. I disagree with the rule which is a comlplete joke. Like I said in my previous post, the Weddle hit on Higgins was much worse and more dangerous than AW's hit on Davis. Higgins was much more defenseless which resulted in a much more viloent hit. I'm not calling Weddles hit cheap or dirty by saying that, just trying to point out how bad the rule is. The language of the rule needs to be changed.

Where I disagree w/ you is on your assessment of whether or not the hit was helmet-to-helmet. From the replays I saw in the stadium there was no/very little helmet-to-helmet contact in the AW hit. AW led with the shoulder and hit Davis in the shoulder region. Same exact thing happened in the Weddle hit - He hit him high which cause Higgins head to whiplash into Weddles helmet. The clip that the dbag 49er fan posted here is a bad angle and you can't tell if there was hemet to helmet.

In my opinion, H-2-H contact in both those hits was non-existant to extremely minimal and should be a non-issue