Cubs fan here: Montero's value

[bleedblue44]

Hi all. I am posting here because the D-Back forum I would normally post on is dead.

As you all know the Cubs lost out on the Russel Martin sweepstakes. I figured we would just settle with Castillo but Epstein has made it clear with few positions open, catcher is one spot he would like to fill with a veteran presence. The name being thrown around the most is Montero. So before I make this trade idea let me first point to this article.

A deal for Montero fell through today involving Ethier and Tim Federowicz. A highly overpaid OF and a MLB catcher who offers little offensively but likely a decent defender.

My guess is u guys are looking for salary relief. This trade would do that and more.

Cubs Trade Edwin Jackson & Rafael Lopez to the DBacks for Montero and Cody Ross

Cubs get the Veteran presence they so desperately need and a good all around catcher

They also get a possible platoon partner for Coghlan in LF

DBacks get 24.5 mil in salary relief

They also get a back of the rotation starter who can throw 95 plus and is still young...he has just lost his confidence...he could also make a solid bullpen arm.

You also get a catcher who I think is better than the one the Dodgers offered.

So lets here what you guys think.

 

[Dback Jon]

I would disagree that Montero offers little offensively.

But I would do that trade



And welcome

 

[bleedblue44]

I would disagree that Montero offers little offensively.

But I would do that trade



And welcome

Wait if you are saying that I said Montero offers little offense you misread. Tim Federowicz the Cather they offered you has little offense. Montero offensively would be right on par with Castillo...Castillo has the skills to be better offensively but he hasnt stayed healthy enough to put them together

But glad you think its a fair trade...if the fans are happy with it it makes the chances of it actually happening plausible.

 

[overseascardfan]

The main benefit I see in a trade with CHC is getting rid of Cody Ross but I assume in the deal ARZ would have to throw in cash. Jackson would be like adding another Cahill, a terrible SP who is vastly overpaid.

To be very honest if LAD was willing to cover the salary difference I would have done the Ethier deal. Unless ARZ feels there is a better deal to be had and are waiting it out, the LAD deal was probably as good as they are going to get for Montero. Ethier has shown when given the opportunity to be an everyday player he can put up some numbers. Those numbers should only improve at Chase.

 

[bleedblue44]

The main benefit I see in a trade with CHC is getting rid of Cody Ross but I assume in the deal ARZ would have to throw in cash.

Why?

Cubs lost out on Russel. Thats 5 years 82mil...instead we replace him with 3 years 40mil in Montero. We also trade Jackson 26mil 2yrs...for Ross 10.5ml 1 year...thats a 16mil savings. We could put Jackson in the pen but we have better options...I would much rather have Ross...even f he gets hurt we have options. Montero is a lefty so we can afford to part with Lopez.

This deal could in theory turn out to be better than acquiring Russel Martin. I would not ask the DBacks for a penny, infact I might still give them money.

 

[overseascardfan]

Why?

Cubs lost out on Russel. Thats 5 years 82mil...instead we replace him with 3 years 40mil in Montero. We also trade Jackson 26mil 2yrs...for Ross 10.5ml 1 year...thats a 16mil savings. We could put Jackson in the pen but we have better options...I would much rather have Ross...even f he gets hurt we have options. Montero is a lefty so we can afford to part with Lopez.

This deal could in theory turn out to be better than acquiring Russel Martin. I would not ask the DBacks for a penny, infact I might still give them money.

I am looking at this from ARZ's point of view (ARZ fan)....Jackson would be a $13M relief pitcher, no thanks. Montero could have netted ARZ a better player (Ethier) than Jackson & Lopez.

 

[bleedblue44]

I am looking at this from ARZ's point of view (ARZ fan)....Jackson would be a $13M relief pitcher, no thanks. Montero could have netted ARZ a better player (Ethier) than Jackson & Lopez.

yeah I tried editing what I really meant...u said the Cubs would want cash back for Ross...my argument was the Cubs benefit enough without cash considerations.

Though I have to wonder just how good Ethier really is anymore.

 

[BC867]

Though I have to wonder just how good Ethier really is anymore.

I agree with that. Once upon a time, he was a steady hitting corner outfielder, but those days are behind him. And we don't need another light hitting corner outfielder.

I hate to say that about a good Phoenician and ASU guy. He has an interesting family background -- Hispanic, Native American and French-Canadian. Until checking, I always guessed him for French. I guess it's the name.

 

[overseascardfan]

yeah I tried editing what I really meant...u said the Cubs would want cash back for Ross...my argument was the Cubs benefit enough without cash considerations.

Though I have to wonder just how good Ethier really is anymore.

Miggy & Ross' salaries come out to around $50M compared to Jackson's $26M, I cannot imagine why CHC would want to absorb $24M in salary just to get Montero. Is Edwin Jackson that bad that they would be willing to take back $24M? Because Montero is not that good to justify taking on Ross (even for just 1 year). I guess CHC does have the money to do that and Ross could be bought out for $1M next year.

If ARZ said no to Ethier even with LA willing to throw in cash I doubt they would consider Jackson. CHC best bet is to offer prospects because it looks like ARZ is looking for a salary dump.

 

[bleedblue44]

Miggy & Ross' salaries come out to around $50M compared to Jackson's $26M, I cannot imagine why CHC would want to absorb $24M in salary just to get Montero.

Dont think of it like that...think this. The Cubs would have payed Martin to get him over 82mil over 5 years...Montero at 3 for 40mil is a bargain

 

[don7031]

Nobody is going to trade for Cody Ross. The man is a wasted roster spot.

The Edwin Jackson show has already played in the Valley. The curtain has come done and there is not going to be a second run.

 

[bleedblue44]

Nobody is going to trade for Cody Ross. The man is a wasted roster spot.

The Edwin Jackson show has already played in the Valley. The curtain has come done and there is not going to be a second run.

Not sure about the Jackson show, but you underestimate the desperation of some teams..a useless Cody Ross can be put on the DL...Jackson has to play...I DO NOT want him anywhere near the starting rotation...I would be ok with him in a bullpen role which might be where he eventually ends up...but we have better options in the pen and Jackson blocks those options. In short we have no where to put him on this team where it does not hurt. At least Jackson in your bullpen has some value am I right? Or is your bullpen already pretty solid?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Diamondbacks close to Miguel Montero trade with Chicago Cubs

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor.../?hootPostID=b87274d4f08f56ede1034370286358ed

The Diamondbacks continued to make headway Monday night toward a deal that would send veteran catcher Miguel Montero to the Chicago Cubs, sources said.

In exchange, the Diamondbacks are "likely" to receive a pair of low-level pitching prospects, with the Cubs picking up the bulk, if not all, of the remaining three years and $40 million left on Montero's contract.

 

[bleedblue44]

considering the salary relief it sounded like u guys would be happy with whatever prospects u got...I will let u know what I think of the pitchers as soon as I find out who they are

 

[unseenaz]

considering the salary relief it sounded like u guys would be happy with whatever prospects u got...I will let u know what I think of the pitchers as soon as I find out who they are

Don't be so sure! Miggy is the longest tenured DBack and a fan favorite. Very sad to see him go, a true Diamondback at heart. Lots of fond memories of Montero with his time here in Arizona.

That being said, the Cubs are a close 2nd in this baseball fans heart, being a Cub fan before we ever had a team in Arizona. Don't get me wrong, I bleed Sedona red at this point, never missing a game when possible. I loosely follow the Cubs these days, so it will be nice to have Miggy on a team I root for. Him going to the Dodgers was worst case scenario for me

 

[bleedblue44]

Don't be so sure! Miggy is the longest tenured DBack and a fan favorite. Very sad to see him go, a true Diamondback at heart. Lots of fond memories of Montero with his time here in Arizona.

That being said, the Cubs are a close 2nd in this baseball fans heart, being a Cub fan before we ever had a team in Arizona. Don't get me wrong, I bleed Sedona red at this point, never missing a game when possible. I loosely follow the Cubs these days, so it will be nice to have Miggy on a team I root for. Him going to the Dodgers was worst case scenario for me

u hate them like I hate the Cards...that Dodger pool party must have been brutal for ya

 

[overseascardfan]

I know the rumor is low level prospects but is there any chance CHC parts with CJ Edwards in the deal? If not him who should ARZ be targeting?

 

[Dback Jon]

I will be pissed if they do nothing but a salary dump for Miggy.


Especially with no one good in the system to be catcher.

 

[overseascardfan]

I will be pissed if they do nothing but a salary dump for Miggy.


Especially with no one good in the system to be catcher.

ARZ sent this message loud and clear when management squashed Ethier deal. They want no big league player unless they are on rookie deals but they won't get that if they want teams to take all of Miggy's contract which is exact what they want.

Because of this we will probably get players in the bottom half of CHC Top 20 prospects. No one that will help next year.

 

[unseenaz]

ARZ sent this message loud and clear when management squashed Ethier deal. They want no big league player unless they are on rookie deals but they won't get that if they want teams to take all of Miggy's contract which is exact what they want.

Because of this we will probably get players in the bottom half of CHC Top 20 prospects. No one that will help next year.

I've always liked Ethier a lot, but in no way does he fit into our current strategy. He's on the wrong side of 30, plays outfield, and has a fat salary. We aren't competing anytime soon so none of those are acceptable. If this was Watson's idea, he may still hold allegiances to LA

 

[Dback Jon]

I've always liked Ethier a lot, but in no way does he fit into our current strategy. He's on the wrong side of 30, plays outfield, and has a fat salary. We aren't competing anytime soon so none of those are acceptable. If this was Watson's idea, he may still hold allegiances to LA

Agree - it was a bad deal not because of getting another MLB player, but getting a high-priced MLB player we don't have a place for.

 

[bleedblue44]

ugh twice I typed a long post and twice it logged me out...should have cut and pasted...will save my comments for later.

Had some positive stuff to say so not trying to sound like an ass here but dont expect Edwards. The deal is said to be no one from the 40man or close to MLB ready

 

[Matt L]

According to Piecoro, one of the pitchers is Jefferson Mejia:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=chc

20 years old, 6'7 195 lbs. This guy could be a monster pitcher.

 

[Matt L]

and according to Piecoro, the other pitcher is Zack Godley a right handed relief pitcher.

 

[Matt L]

I feel like we could have received more for Miguel Montero. That said, I will be interested to see what they do for our starting catcher. Hopefully Tuffy is NOT tagged to be the starting catcher for the season.