dang it the more i see leinart

[freebyrd]

I feel bad for the guy.

sorry i can't feel bad for the guy play or not hes making millions.
i just think he misses being the big man on campus,

i remember that fateful day when all the stars were in perfect alignment and a two time college champion can't miss pick fell to us at number 10

he came out of a pro system pete carroll was his coach it seemed like all the years of frustration and agony finally were paying off we had what seemed like our QBOF to build a team around
maybe it can still happen maybe the light bulb will go on for him but this preseason leaves something to be desired our running gamw shows signs of life our defense could be one of the best in the game but qb play just sucks

i am just very disappointed in leinart i don't know whats wrong with him except he's gpt no heart

 

[Joe L]

I hope the people in this thread that are raking Leinart over the coals are this critical of Warner if he has a bad game.

Which he has known to have from time to time.

It will be justifiable to start trade rumors about him, and talk about his trade value.

The loyalty shown to this kid in this thread makes me want to puke. It is disgusting.

ONE BAD GAME does not negate the promise of a young QB. I tried to think of examples of how many young QB's that turned out to be fine NFL starters have had bad games and my mind exploded cause the list was too long.

The kid is probably, (not certainly), going to lose his starting job after working his butt off all offseason. There is no doubt he wants to succeed, and he is just not there YET.

I guess that is not bad enough. We know have to run the guy out of town, call out his worth as a person, and label him a bomb. AFTER ONE PRESEASON HALF?????

I am just in complete amazement in the ignorance going on here, and how quick everyone is the throw this guy under the bus and walk away.

Hopefully Leinart does go away, Warner gets hurt, and we are stuck looking for another QB for this squad for another 20 years.

UNBELIEVABLE. Way to support your team.

While were at it lets go back to ripping apart Boldin, and Fitzgerald ?

Way to support a player instead of a team. UNBELIEVABLE!

 

[CtCardinals78]

Way to support a player instead of a team. UNBELIEVABLE!

Easy RM was being tongue and cheek. He is supporting the team, just making a point of how ridiculous this is. It's not a big deal, the guy has one bad preseason game.

 

[CHAPTER 7]

If you just watched how those 3 QB performed, I think Leinart will fall behind St.Pierre. Yeah St.P was playing with and against 3rd stringers. But he looked pretty good to me. I want Matt to succeed with Cardinal red. But he doesn't look he is our future. He was drafted in the 1st round with tons of success in college but maybe he is not the right guy for this system. I want to see St.Pierre with 1st string so we have more clear understanding of what he is but that won't happen. Just thinking out loud.

 

[Joe L]

Easy RM was being tongue and cheek. He is supporting the team, just making a point of how ridiculous this is. It's not a big deal, the guy has one bad preseason game.

Actually, he is supporting a player by implying that the team should implode because of the said things of that particular player. Might be T & C but wasn't humorous at all. JMHO

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Way to support a player instead of a team. UNBELIEVABLE!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway. Yes, you are right. I got all fired up about this last night, and was a little heavy on the sarcasism. Never cool to call anyone out, which I wasn't trying to do. Just I was shocked at the situation.

I believe that I have written enough for you to know that what you have stated above is not true.

I do think it will hurt THE TEAM to get rid of Leinart right now based solely on last night's game. It would help THE TEAM to have a good back up for Warner if he were to go down (Warner has played a full season in a while).

From the start, I have said to start whomever is best for this TEAM, and I still continue to stick by that.

As a sidenote: There is a whole lot of assumptions going on right now before the coach has even said anything on the subject.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Actually, he is supporting a player by implying that the team should implode because of the said things of that particular player. Might be T & C but wasn't humorous at all. JMHO

No, I just think there is some knee jerk emotional B.S. going on.

Do you honestly think it is time to label Matt Leinart a bust, and cut him or trade him?

Does that make ANY sense at this point in this season ?

To say he (in general I know you didn't say it,LacardJoe67) had done nothing in the NFL as well is a one sided story. An accurate description is that he has not been consistent. And, yes, that is not a good thing.

The first thing I posted after the Raiders game was "My thoughts on the Raiders game"

I put that Warner did enough to give him the edge, or at the least put a HUGE question in the coaches mind on whether to start Leinart or not.

If you put a gun to my head right now, I would start Warner. But I still think the decisions are to be left up to the coaches to make.

It is one preseason game, and the coaches have not even said anything on ths subject.

Yet, many are ready to bury Leinart for in my opinion, is no good reason.

If Warner comes in and throw 3 INT's does he get this treatment. He has had a history in the last 7 years that is nothing to write home about. You could easily say he is DONE as well. But doesn't that sound a little ridiculous.

If you rather I put my original comment with less sarcasism I will.

*Ahem*
In my opinion, to talk about Matt Leinart after a poor performance, like the Raiders preseason game, in way to suggest he is a bust, and should be cut or traded is wrong. There is no disputing that he has to be accountable for his actions, and has put himself in a place where he might lose his job.

Warner, eventhough not being spectacular, was also able to show enough to put himself in a probably position for the starting job. With his recent success this might be a good thing for the team coming into the 2008 season.

Where I have my problem, at least in my opinion, is that Matt Leinart, no matter what, will be needed this season, and possibly the next. His salary is one that is the same as a backup QB, and with Warner's injury history (not getting through 16 games in 7 years) it would benefit the team to have a quality back up. My belief that Brian St. Pierre could do that job is deeply strained since I don't think the guy, along with other coaches in the NFL, has the ability to be an NFL QB.

Furthermore, to label Matt Leinart a bust is premature. We have yet to go through growing pains with this young man, and at the least are just starting to see them. Quarterbacks like Brett Farve, Derek Anderson, and even Eli Manning last year (4INT debacle against he Vikings) have had days like this, and have gone on to be serviciable and in some cases great QB in the league.

I do not question the judgement of other people when it comes to who should start this season. There are plenty of justifiable reasons to feel one way or another on the subject. Where I see a lack of judgement is the thoughts of cutting a young QB over a quarter and a half of preseason football especially when there is a good chance he will be needed this season. It seems to be an emtional knee jerk reaction to a bad day for a player that is causing this phenomenom. Since the QB controversy has been such a heated debate I can see why there is such an uproar. I personally do not see the justification for it though.

Sincerly,

Rugbymuffin esq. the III of the country of the Jersey Devil

Better?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Our perception about St. Pierre is not an esoteric or especially biased one. Just this past week, Steve Mariucci, on NFL Network said of St. Pierre, "he's going to be a good starting QB in this league some day."

Mitch's Dream QB core:

Brian St.Pierre
Shane Boyd
Stoney Case


Sorry I had to do it. -----Plus if someone could do that with RB with me


In all seriousness BSP did look good last night. If he beat Leinart out for 2nd string I would be shocked, but if it did happen we would have an answer about where he stands on this team. That is for sure.

 

[cardsfanmd]

In all seriousness, I dont think we should base anything on our performance against the Raiders. They have the best secondary in football IMO and we didn't prepare for them.

 

[Mitch]

Mitch's Dream QB core:

Brian St.Pierre
Shane Boyd
Stoney Case


Sorry I had to do it. -----Plus if someone could do that with RB with me


In all seriousness BSP did look good last night. If he beat Leinart out for 2nd string I would be shocked, but if it did happen we would have an answer about where he stands on this team. That is for sure.

You forgot Preston Parsons.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You forgot Preston Parsons.

Dang! I knew there was a better one than Stoney Case.

P-Squared was the MAN!

While I was writing that, I was shivering at the fact somone might bring up my backing of Larry Croom.

 

[Mitch]

This board never forgets!

I will always be linked with Preston Parsons because I lauded him for generating a spirited come from behind pre-season win...and later on that season, during a miserbale 3 or 4 win campaign, I suggested the Cardinals play Parsons in one of the remaining meaningless games...just to see what he could do. Why not? Jake was on his way out...and I thought it would be good to see what both McCown and Parsons could do with some playing time.

That was interpretted on the board as a conviction on my part that Parsons was the best QB on the roster and a future All-Pro.

The irony is...I believe that was the same year that...despite my suggestion to play Parsons a little...the Cards played Josh McCown the entire last game and he led the team to that stunning victory over the playoff-bubble Vikings on the last second pass to Nathan Poole...a play that also cost the Cardinals the number one pick in the draft...a fellow by the name of Eli Manning.

 

[Joe L]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway. Yes, you are right. I got all fired up about this last night, and was a little heavy on the sarcasism. Never cool to call anyone out, which I wasn't trying to do. Just I was shocked at the situation.

I believe that I have written enough for you to know that what you have stated above is not true.

I do think it will hurt THE TEAM to get rid of Leinart right now based solely on last night's game. It would help THE TEAM to have a good back up for Warner if he were to go down (Warner has played a full season in a while).

From the start, I have said to start whomever is best for this TEAM, and I still continue to stick by that.

As a sidenote: There is a whole lot of assumptions going on right now before the coach has even said anything on the subject.

You have a point but no one ( that I know of) is calling for Matt's head. He is under contract so unless they trade him, he is still the future...just not now.
He doesn't look ready at it shows not just in one half...but the first 4 games last season and the KC & Raider game. I for one haven't commented about the reports on ESPN so I am not one of those making assumptions. I am giving my opinion of Leinart though...based on more than just last game's half.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

...a fellow by the name of Eli Manning.

Six degrees.

Manning who also had one of the worse games of his career last year on his way to the Super Bowl.

4 INT game vs. the Vikings.....a team EVERYONE was able to pass against.

And corrected me if I am wrong, Manning had a few less than average games before that, and after taking over for Kurt Warner.

 

[Joe L]

No, I just think there is some knee jerk emotional B.S. going on.

Do you honestly think it is time to label Matt Leinart a bust, and cut him or trade him?

Does that make ANY sense at this point in this season ?

To say he (in general I know you didn't say it,LacardJoe67) had done nothing in the NFL as well is a one sided story. An accurate description is that he has not been consistent. And, yes, that is not a good thing.

The first thing I posted after the Raiders game was "My thoughts on the Raiders game"

I put that Warner did enough to give him the edge, or at the least put a HUGE question in the coaches mind on whether to start Leinart or not.

If you put a gun to my head right now, I would start Warner. But I still think the decisions are to be left up to the coaches to make.

It is one preseason game, and the coaches have not even said anything on ths subject.

Yet, many are ready to bury Leinart for in my opinion, is no good reason.

If Warner comes in and throw 3 INT's does he get this treatment. He has had a history in the last 7 years that is nothing to write home about. You could easily say he is DONE as well. But doesn't that sound a little ridiculous.

If you rather I put my original comment with less sarcasism I will.

*Ahem*
In my opinion, to talk about Matt Leinart after a poor performance, like the Raiders preseason game, in way to suggest he is a bust, and should be cut or traded is wrong. There is no disputing that he has to be accountable for his actions, and has put himself in a place where he might lose his job.

Warner, eventhough not being spectacular, was also able to show enough to put himself in a probably position for the starting job. With his recent success this might be a good thing for the team coming into the 2008 season.

Where I have my problem, at least in my opinion, is that Matt Leinart, no matter what, will be needed this season, and possibly the next. His salary is one that is the same as a backup QB, and with Warner's injury history (not getting through 16 games in 7 years) it would benefit the team to have a quality back up. My belief that Brian St. Pierre could do that job is deeply strained since I don't think the guy, along with other coaches in the NFL, has the ability to be an NFL QB.

Furthermore, to label Matt Leinart a bust is premature. We have yet to go through growing pains with this young man, and at the least are just starting to see them. Quarterbacks like Brett Farve, Derek Anderson, and even Eli Manning last year (4INT debacle against he Vikings) have had days like this, and have gone on to be serviciable and in some cases great QB in the league.

I do not question the judgement of other people when it comes to who should start this season. There are plenty of justifiable reasons to feel one way or another on the subject. Where I see a lack of judgement is the thoughts of cutting a young QB over a quarter and a half of preseason football especially when there is a good chance he will be needed this season. It seems to be an emtional knee jerk reaction to a bad day for a player that is causing this phenomenom. Since the QB controversy has been such a heated debate I can see why there is such an uproar. I personally do not see the justification for it though.

Sincerly,

Rugbymuffin esq. the III of the country of the Jersey Devil

Better?

Much Clearer RM. Have to say I agree with most of it. My apologies.

 

[Russ Smith]

In all seriousness, I dont think we should base anything on our performance against the Raiders. They have the best secondary in football IMO and we didn't prepare for them.

Why do people keep saying that? That best secondary in football wasn't on the field together save maybe 5 plays. Hall barely played, Asomugha hurt his ankle and was out well before halftime. Huff played most of the first half.

Remember 2 of the 3 picks were from Baker and Routt, neither of whom are on the field when the best secondary in football is intact.

Matt made 3 bad decisions and got picked all 3 times, he forced 3 balls to guys who weren't open that's good coverage and terrible QB play.

We shouldn't have to prepare for the idea that you don't throw to a guy double covered and not open.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Much Clearer RM. Have to say I agree with most of it. My apologies.

No apologies need my friend.

I was amped up and needed to calm down. I should actually write like that more often but my gorilla like body and tendancies lead me down a road with more gramaticall errors and unclear subjects with no closure.

It was a justifiable calling out of me without a doubt! It is all good.

 

[earthsci]

...a fellow by the name of Eli Manning.

Huh. Everyone's freaking out about Leinart. Do you think that there would have been any patience for Eli? Too bad we got "stuck" with Fitzgerald.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Why do people keep saying that? That best secondary in football wasn't on the field together save maybe 5 plays. Hall barely played, Asomugha hurt his ankle and was out well before halftime. Huff played most of the first half.

Remember 2 of the 3 picks were from Baker and Routt, neither of whom are on the field when the best secondary in football is intact.

Matt made 3 bad decisions and got picked all 3 times, he forced 3 balls to guys who weren't open that's good coverage and terrible QB play.

We shouldn't have to prepare for the idea that you don't throw to a guy double covered and not open.

Agreed! It seems we have knee jerks on both ends: Those who want Leinart benched no matter what, and tose who defend him no matter what. Matt played awful, threw into double coverage, locked onto his receiver, didnt look confident at all, and certainly didint look like the Cards starting QBOF. No one is saying to cut him, just that he has regressed and had an awful game.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Huh. Everyone's freaking out about Leinart. Do you think that there would have been any patience for Eli? Too bad we got "stuck" with Fitzgerald.[/quot




Eli and his dad would have fell to their knees begging for the Cards not to draft him.

 

[Assface]

Eli and his dad would have fell to their knees begging for the Cards not to draft him.

They said later that they were told San Diego was a bad place to go because there were issues within the management. I'm guessing it was about the rift between GM and coach. Not long after that draft they went to the playoffs and Schottenheimer got fired because he didn't get along with the GM. I don't think there would have been the same aversion to playing here.

 

[Skkorpion]

Huh. Everyone's freaking out about Leinart. Do you think that there would have been any patience for Eli? Too bad we got "stuck" with Fitzgerald.

No. We should be freaking out. Matt Leinart developing was critical to our near term and long term future.

Eli Manning never played scared, pouted and certainly never dodged the media. Eli showed guts, gace and mental toughness, even when playing badly.

Why do some of you refuse to see that the screaming shocker in that game was Leinart's mental collapse under PRE-SEASON pressure? Then, he hid under his helmet and ran from the media. Phoenix media, not NY media.

Forget the picks. Look at how his team reacted and he reacted.

 

[earthsci]

No. We should be freaking out. Matt Leinart developing was critical to our near term and long term future.

Eli Manning never played scared, pouted and certainly never dodged the media. Eli showed guts, gace and mental toughness, even when playing badly.

Why do some of you refuse to see that the screaming shocker in that game was Leinart's mental collapse under PRE-SEASON pressure? Then, he hid under his helmet and ran from the media. Phoenix media, not NY media.

Forget the picks. Look at how his team reacted and he reacted.

That doesn't make these stats any better. They stuck with him though. You sure that Eli NEVER left the field after a bad game without talking to reporters Skkorp? Because if you ask me, Matt is usually pretty available to the press. One pre-season game and yes, he choked. I'm sure that he would say the same. Matt Leinart developing is critical to our near term and long term future. Forgive me if I don't give up on him so easy. I'm hoping that he can be saved from your trash heap like Adrian Wilson was.

 

[SuperSpck]

Color me not worried.

What we saw on the field was just practical experience.

If he's smart he's learned some valuable lessons:

2 of his picks were deeper throws, that's probably not going to be his bread and butter during the season. The other was just him mind-melding with Plummer for a moment, hopefully he's learned he can't throw across his body while on the run. He'll get yelled at all week about his poor decision making, and hopefully he'll learn something from it.

Get up, drive on and all that.