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Either this or Wood was making things to complicated and Dansby just wants the deal done. Probably the other thing though.
Dansby Fires Agent
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Either this or Wood was making things to complicated and Dansby just wants the deal done. Probably the other thing though.
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Cant be good for the cards.
Dansby isn't one of the top 3 linebackers in the NFL is he? I never thought he was that good, top 10 maybe, yeah, our top lb,yeah.. Pittsburgh has 2 better than Dansby in Harrison and Woodley; is he saying he's in their class? I dont' think he is. It will hurt us to lose him, but 10million capspace will buy a good replacement. its our system that makes the players as Pittsburgh's Defense always proves. That said, firing his agent now doesn't mean anything good in my mind.
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I totally agree, Laura. I have never trusted this guy. He's from a different planet. He needs the pressure of a one year deal. I have been wishing fervently we could trade him to Baltimore for Terrell Suggs, who, IMO, is worth the big bucks, not Dansby.
Go back and watch him play in the New England game...he tanked that game worse than any other Cardinal. I really question his character...I don't question his talent...except that...how come the big plays against the Cardinal defense (90% of the time) come to his side? He's a player who likes to play in a tuxedo...he won't take on people and bust up plays and he's a chaser, rather than a plugger. Sorry, that's how I feel. Some will point to numbers...but I have never seen such convoluted or insignificant numbers as Dansby's.
And if I hear one more time..."but he's so good in coverage" I am going to hurl. So frigging what? I want an ILB who will step up and bust up plays and knock the snot out of people. This guy isn't up for it.
This off-season he himself has been touting himself as an "elite" LB in the Ray Lewis mold...in fact, he said he was waiting to see what Lewis got. IMO, Karlos Dansby cannot even come close to holding Ray Lewis' jock.
Please Cardinals...trade this guy...get rid of him and add that $9M back to the salary cap.
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Please don't sign Rosenhaus. Please don't sign Rosenhaus. Please don't sign Rosenhaus.
Maybe Dansby decided he wanted to take the deal Wood had in place, but fire wood first so that he doesn't have to pay the agents cut out of the signing bonus.
Maybe Dansby decided he wanted to take the deal Wood had in place, but fire wood first so that he doesn't have to pay the agents cut out of the signing bonus.
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Trade him? Just a thought. 
Buckybird
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Trade him? Just a thought.
can he be traded after being franchised?
I would still give him his money
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just a matter of time and I may be one if a deal isn't reached.
IAWarnerFan
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That's part of this that doesn't make sense. The Cardinals franchise him and now don't wint to give him franchise money?can he be traded after being franchised?
I would still give him his money
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We can guess. 24M guaranteed is not good enough! 12M 1st yr. not good enough! Whatever!
Considering Warner is getting 19M guaranteed..... Dansby has a point.
Warner isn't in our long term success and he is getting all of that money. The Cards screwed themselves giving that much money to Warner. I doubt Boldin or Dansby gets done now.
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I said that at the beginning of free agency, I knew we would only get 1 guy done, every year.
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With that kind of money, you're right. Now Dansby can sit on his franchise tag for one more year, and sign a big long term deal with another team. ~17M guaranteed from the 2 franchise tags, plus another 20M+ when he signs with another team.
Dansby should have been priority #1, not priority #2.
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I would love to see how much up front money this team has paid out over the last 4 seasons to free agents (ours and new) and rookies. Have things really changed ?
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DeMeco Ryans, of Houston, has also fired Woods. He also wanted an extension. Either the guy had a really, really bad day or something else is going on with this agent.
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If the Wood's negotiated framework is the deal that Dansby signs, I'd venture to say that... a court would arbitrate in favour of some compensation to the agent. One way or another, Dansby will be paying someone for whatever deal he signs with the Cards or another team.
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Lessons to be Learned (repeatedly):
1. We don't know what each party's position is.
2. The Cards are tight-lipped (their MO)
3. Dansby and his (former and current) agent are tight lipped.
4. Regardless of "how close to a deal" spokespeople, unnamed sources and others may say - There's no deal until there is a deal.
5. It makes no sense to tie ourselves in a knot speculating over "if", "when" and/or who's to blame. It is what it is & they'll tell us when they're ready.
If it turns out there's been a set-back in negotiations, the first thing I do is get Drew Rosenhaus on the horn, move Boldin ahead of Dansby on the front burner - and get the deal done with Q (the implication being that there might not be enough money to go around once Dansby & his new agent figure out what they want to do).
We've got a draft to consider, and whether or not we trade up for someone like Malialuga or Laurinaitis or opt to add another receiver at any point in the draft may very well hinge on Dansby and Boldin. Train's leaving the station....
1. We don't know what each party's position is.
2. The Cards are tight-lipped (their MO)
3. Dansby and his (former and current) agent are tight lipped.
4. Regardless of "how close to a deal" spokespeople, unnamed sources and others may say - There's no deal until there is a deal.
5. It makes no sense to tie ourselves in a knot speculating over "if", "when" and/or who's to blame. It is what it is & they'll tell us when they're ready.
If it turns out there's been a set-back in negotiations, the first thing I do is get Drew Rosenhaus on the horn, move Boldin ahead of Dansby on the front burner - and get the deal done with Q (the implication being that there might not be enough money to go around once Dansby & his new agent figure out what they want to do).
We've got a draft to consider, and whether or not we trade up for someone like Malialuga or Laurinaitis or opt to add another receiver at any point in the draft may very well hinge on Dansby and Boldin. Train's leaving the station....
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Who had the bigger part in helping getting the team to the show? And Warner needed a guarantee that the team wouldn't pull the plug after one season. This is his last contract.
As has been noted a lot we are 1.5M or so under the cap. A Dansby deal would us even more under so that's incentive for the FO to get R done. But he's being mule headed in today's (pre-uncapped year, new CBA) environment. IMO, if the speculation is correct that he indeed fired his agent for "only" landing him a Pace type deal, which it's pretty widely recognised around the league that NY overpaid anyway.
Ryan sumed it up pretty good:
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The cap space isn't the issue with resigning Dansby, it is the upfront, out of pocket money that they would have to fork over. I have strong doubts that they will not be able to do this, because they gave a ton of capital to Warner.
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Do you doubt they will be able to do it?
After thinking about it for a while, yes.
Dansby's character keeps him from being a top 3 LB to me. He takes plays off, like in the NE and Minnesota games. We need an ernie sims-workman-like lb not,as Mitch put it"...a player who likes to play in a tuxedo...[Dansby] won't take on people and bust up plays and he's a chaser, rather than a plugger."even better, mitch put it,"I want an ILB who will step up and bust up plays and knock the snot out of people.
This guy[Dansby] isn't up for it."[post#29] this is the prose it does my heart good to read about Dansby...If you aren't with us, you're against us.
This guy[Dansby] isn't up for it."[post#29] this is the prose it does my heart good to read about Dansby...If you aren't with us, you're against us.
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If you are basing the NE game on players taking plays off, then the entire team should be cut, except for Rackers since he never really got to play. I agree with you otherwise.
