D'Antoni Stubborn?

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Good article by Scott. He points out something I have been saying about D'Antoni since the 1st Laker series. D'Antoni doesn't seem to have the ability to make adjustments on the fly or isn't willing to. He usually doesn't make them until the next game.

Scott states "D’Antoni’s hesitance to make adjustments on the fly is in complete contrast to Spurs coach Gregg Popovich."

The other thing is D'Antoni's obvious lack acknowledgment that defense is a problem.

D'Antoni states "“I don’t think our defense is causing us to lose right now,” he said. “It’s our offense.”

Well I guess easy layup after easy layup by the Spurs isn't an issue with D'Antoni.

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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/114693

Bordow: D’Antoni’s stubbornness could be his undoing

Scott Bordow, Tribune Behind his smile, light-hearted nature and self-deprecating jokes, Mike D’Antoni is as stubborn a coach as you’ll find in the NBA.
That self confidence often serves him well. He believed in his system when few others in the NBA would be gutsy enough to try it, and the Suns were rewarded with three straight Pacific Division titles and back-to-back appearances in the Western Conference Finals.


But D’Antoni can also fall victim to his beliefs.
Take this first-round playoff series against the San Antonio Spurs, for example.


San Antonio, which made 45 percent of its shots in the regular season, is shooting 49.4 percent from the field through the first two games. Since the first half of Game 1, when they scored 40 points, the Spurs have hit 52 percent of their shots.


Yet what did D’Antoni say Thursday?

“I don’t think our defense is causing us to lose right now,” he said. “It’s our offense.”


That has been a familiar refrain during D’Antoni’s coaching tenure. The Suns’ success or failure, everything they do, depends on those 24 seconds or less when they have the ball.


Now, it’s only fair to point out that the Suns don’t have the personnel to be a great defensive team. Steve Nash is a poor on-the-ball defender, Shaquille O’Neal and Amaré Stoudemire are not great help defenders, and Raja Bell, supposedly Phoenix’s best defensive player, can’t cover Manu Ginobili.


To that extent, D’Antoni is playing to his strengths when he focuses on Phoenix’s offense.


But that’s no excuse for the lack of defensive adjustments he’s made in this series.


Case in point: On the Spurs’ final possession of the first quarter of Game 2, Ginobili walked the ball upcourt. He had just made a jump shot to cut Phoenix’s lead to 10, and Tim Duncan and Tony Parker were on the bench taking a rest.


The smart move: Run a second defender at Ginobili and force him to give the ball up. Instead, the Suns stayed in their man-to-man defense and Ginobili casually made a 3-pointer over Bell with one second left in the quarter.


That’s just one example.


Why hasn’t Phoenix trapped Parker or Ginobili when they have the ball? Doesn’t it make more sense to have Bruce Bowen, who hasn’t scored a point in the first two games, shoot a 3-pointer — even if he’s wide open — than have Parker or Ginobili stroll into the lane for layups?


D’Antoni’s hesitance to make adjustments on the fly is in complete contrast to Spurs coach Gregg Popovich. After Stoudemire scored 25 points against Kurt Thomas in the first half of Game 1, Popovich switched Duncan onto Stoudemire at the start of the second half.


Stoudemire didn’t score a point in the third quarter.


Obviously, Popovich has more options because, in Duncan and Bowen, he has two superior defenders. And D’Antoni is hamstrung because Grant Hill is hobbled and can’t cover Parker in the fourth quarter, as he did in the regular season.


But if what the Suns are doing isn’t working, isn’t it incumbent upon D’Antoni to try something — anything — besides the occasional 2-3 zone?
You better believe Suns general manager Steve Kerr and assistant general manager Vinny del Negro notice the lack of defensive adjustments. They played for Popovich in San Antonio. They know what kind of a strategist he is, and how the Spurs always seem to play better in the second half, after Popovich has changed his tactics.


They’re also aware that Popovich gives his bench players extended minutes in the regular season so they can be productive in the postseason.
D’Antoni, on the other hand, rarely extends his rotation beyond eight players. As a result, he has little confidence rookie guard D.J. Strawberry might have some success against Parker or Ginobili, even though the Suns have raved about Strawberry’s defense since training camp.


Given Kerr and Del Negro’s admiration of Popovich — and the fact neither Kerr nor owner Robert Sarver would guarantee D’Antoni’s return next season — it’s reasonable to assume D’Antoni’s job is on the line should the Suns lose this series.


I hope that’s not the case.


D’Antoni is one of the nicest guys in the business. He makes my job easy, and I’m all for that.


But the NBA is a harsh league.


And if D’Antoni isn’t willing to make any adjustments, the Suns may make one for him.
 

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I heard that on the radio and could not believe my ears.

Then I switched to Bickley and MJ and they had a statement from Kerr about playing D and getting some stops, and started contrasting the two statements from 'Antoni and Kerr...unreal.
 

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dantoni's "it's not our defense" comment is as damning a confession as any i've ever read about in any of my criminal law or criminal procedure books throughout law school. moreover, it's a quote that will come to haunt him if anyone every starts producing a "coaching death" darwin's list.
 

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Is water wet? Is the sky blue? Is D'antoni Stubborn?

Yes, yes and yes.
 

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While I agree that he is generalizing too much, come on. Scoring only 11 points in the 3rd quarter (mostly on free throws) IS an offense problem.
 

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I remember D'antoni making a pretty good adjustment last year for game 2 of the Spurs series. He put Kurt Thomas on Tim Duncan and he put Marion on Parker. This completely threw the Spurs off and we blew them out.

We're screwed tonight, aren't we?
 

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I remember D'antoni making a pretty good adjustment last year for game 2 of the Spurs series. He put Kurt Thomas on Tim Duncan and he put Marion on Parker. This completely threw the Spurs off and we blew them out.

We're screwed tonight, aren't we?

Skinner sees some minutes against TD, and Gordan on Ginobili? Maybe?
 

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D'antoni will be fired and replaced by Larry Brown. But who cares when we could all cheer for the Lakers who are winners!!! Go Lakers and go Phil Jackson!!!!
 

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While I agree that he is generalizing too much, come on. Scoring only 11 points in the 3rd quarter (mostly on free throws) IS an offense problem.

However, if there defense were better, maybe it could have kept the Suns in the game a little bit more. When a team's shot isn't falling, then they need to tighten up their defense until the offense gets back on track. IIRC, San Antonio scored 4 pts in a quarter during a game this year and still ended up winning the game.
 

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While I agree that he is generalizing too much, come on. Scoring only 11 points in the 3rd quarter (mostly on free throws) IS an offense problem.

True, but that's a very mico look at the point Bordow is making, I think the thing the GM will need to take into account is why doesn't anyone get better on defense on this team? Is it all just player laziness?

Case in point DJ, for him to play next season what does he need to concerntrate on to get minuets on a D'Antoni team? Defense?, hell no, probably his three point shot. If he devlops his three even at the expense of defense he probably gets more minutes. That to me is a problem.
 

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When the offense turns the ball over and the spurs run down for the freebie(23 fastbreak points), it looks like the offense is a problem as well in the very least. Not hitting outside shots on a collapsed defense can be a problem. Grant hill and barbosa scoring zilch is also an offense problem. The suns defensive problems are mostly personnel related(Nash, amare, LB). As chap said, 11 points in the third quarter is an offensive problem. The defensive problems are at least partly in transition with shaq not even there in transition defense. that leaves amare as the defensive transition big guy, big problem. When shaq sits, the halfcourt defense is also a problem for the same reason. Amares power forward(small p) rebounding is a problem on defense. Diaw missing shots down low on guards is an offensive problem, gotta take advantage of that. I suspect that DA answers the press much like a politician, evasively. The press have pointed questions that lead to other targeted "duh" questions and I suspect he's being evasive with them. Pop is also evasive, and abrasive with the press when he loses, as is PJ or larry brown, no suprise there.
 

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True, but that's a very mico look at the point Bordow is making, I think the thing the GM will need to take into account is why doesn't anyone get better on defense on this team? Is it all just player laziness?

Case in point DJ, for him to play next season what does he need to concerntrate on to get minuets on a D'Antoni team? Defense?, hell no, probably his three point shot. If he devlops his three even at the expense of defense he probably gets more minutes. That to me is a problem.

DJ's defense is good enough, if he can shoot better than 1-8(last game), he will probably play. I wouldnt worry about DJ's defense, thats a non issue.
 
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DJ's defense is good enough, if he can shoot better than 1-8(last game), he will probably play. I wouldnt worry about DJ's defense, thats a non issue.

That's not the point. The point is that his defense is good enough to get into the game now. However, D'Antoni is sitting him because his offensive game isn't up to snuff. I bet if Strawberry could hit the 3 on a consistent basis and was playing lousy defense he would be getting minutes.

With a team struggling so much on defense and giving up so many layups, shouldn't defense be a key? I agree with Treesquid that this is in a nutshell the problem with D'Antoni's system.
 

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DJ's defense is good enough, if he can shoot better than 1-8(last game), he will probably play. I wouldnt worry about DJ's defense, thats a non issue.

Look at it this way. Why not substitute DJ for LB... LB can't score against the Spurs! At least give DJ a chance to STOP someone.

GIVE IT A SHOT. What is there to lose that LB hasn't already lost?

man alive, am I speaking Chinese?
 

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the writing's on the wall for DA if you read what Kerr's been saying the last month. When this series is over, so is DA IMO.
 

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That's not the point. The point is that his defense is good enough to get into the game now. However, D'Antoni is sitting him because his offensive game isn't up to snuff. I bet if Strawberry could hit the 3 on a consistent basis and was playing lousy defense he would be getting minutes.

With a team struggling so much on defense and giving up so many layups, shouldn't defense be a key? I agree with Treesquid that this is in a nutshell the problem with D'Antoni's system.

Yep that was my exact point.
 

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the guy wouldn't even play KT against the Spurs in Game 1 last year. If that alone ain't insurmountable evidence of being stubborn, I don't know what is.
 

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This is what I heard on the radio.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOm3uhh1EPVHuYm-kycVkhndB06Q

D'Antoni said the team's defence has been all right, but the offence hasn't. Phoenix went from a 65-point first half in Game 2 on Tuesday to scoring just 11 in the third quarter. The Suns didn't panic, D'Antoni and Nash said, but they weren't their free-flowing selves, either.

At least some of that was because of the Spurs' "in our face" defence, but D'Antoni said his team didn't respond as it should have.

"We need to up the production," D'Antoni said. "We need to hoist 'em up, we need to run more, we need to move the ball a little bit better, and we need to play more carefree. We're a little tight right now."

Nash had a similar assessment.

"I think we lost our rhythm, and instead of taking a step back to find it, we all put our heads down and tried to find it, and that just exacerbated the problem," he said.

Suns general manager Steve Kerr had a different take than his coach.

"It's just defence," Kerr said. "It's just making stops when we need to. When they went on that little run and they were stopping us, if we could have buckled down a little bit and made stops, we could have withstood that little dry spell."


Ooops.
 

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BTW this:

"We need to up the production," D'Antoni said. "We need to hoist 'em up, we need to run more, we need to move the ball a little bit better, and we need to play more carefree. We're a little tight right now."

Isn't something that Shaq will excel in.
 

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Well, at least our GM understands championship basketball.

Sounds like D'Antoni might be a goner after the series or at the very least Kerr will force a defensive-minded assistant on to the Suns staff.
 
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BTW this:



Isn't something that Shaq will excel in.

Shaq isn't the problem.

Well, at least our GM understands championship basketball.

Sounds like D'Antoni might be a goner after the series or at the very least Kerr will force a defensive-minded assistant on to the Suns staff.

Since Kerr was hired he has made several comments that contrast what D'Antoni has stated in the public. That to me says that Kerr definitely has a different view then D'Antoni. I think it was just a matter of time before Kerr pushed D'Antoni out in favor of a more defensive oriented Coach.
 
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You guys are crazy. Just because a guy can play defense doesn't mean he should be in the game. He has to have an offensive game in order to contribute to a championship. I mean look at Ben Wallace, excellent defender and unstoppable offensive force!
 
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You guys are crazy. Just because a guy can play defense doesn't mean he should be in the game. He has to have an offensive game in order to contribute to a championship. I mean look at Ben Wallace, excellent defender and unstoppable offensive force!

You can't be serious. Do you want me to list all the defensive stoppers that have one rings? They didn't have explosive offensive games or have the ability to shoot 3's either. Look at the impact Bruce Bowen had on game 3. He disrupted the heck out of our guards yet didn't score a point.

That's the furthest thing from the truth. You don't need a defensive stopper to score if your getting scoring out of your other positions. Mike would just have to make sure other scorers are on the court with him. Then again that would require Mike to strategize which is a scary thought.
 
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You guys are crazy. Just because a guy can play defense doesn't mean he should be in the game. He has to have an offensive game in order to contribute to a championship. I mean look at Ben Wallace, excellent defender and unstoppable offensive force!

uh, Ben Wallace was a HUGE contributor on a title team and a team that got to Game 7 of the NBA Finals. He just sucks now because he's old, not as athletic which makes him a bad defender and a pathetic offender.

and I'm pretty sure Bruce Bowen has been a huge contributor on the Spurs.
 

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