Dare I say the "T" word . . . ?

[pokerface]

I agree, the Suns do not need to intentionally tank. They do quite nicely on their own.

Other teams passed the suns up so no...they can tank better.


Chandler needs to go.... PERIOD.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Chandler won’t make a gnat’s difference in wins and losses. But he might help guys develop.

 

[Chaplin]

Other teams passed the suns up so no...they can tank better.


Chandler needs to go.... PERIOD.

#shakeshead

 

[Matt L]

Probably need a new GM and head coach who are on the same page

 

[JCSunsfan]

This team is a laughingstock around the league, players do not want to be here. But of course, we want to deliberately tank and make it worse. While I am glad to have Josh Jackson, that deliberate tank last year has done immeasurable harm to this team. It smacks of bush league and no integrity. The players despise it.

Now the talking heads on ESPN are openly speculating about when Booker will be asking for a trade. They are saying he wants to win right now.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Probably need a new GM and head coach who are on the same page

The GM is not the problem. The owner is.

 

[pokerface]

Chandler won’t make a gnat’s difference in wins and losses. But he might help guys develop.

That's total BS. Look at what happened when Chandler didn't play and Len took over.

Chandler isn't helping anyone "develop"... cripe.

 

[pokerface]

This team is a laughingstock around the league, players do not want to be here. But of course, we want to deliberately tank and make it worse. While I am glad to have Josh Jackson, that deliberate tank last year has done immeasurable harm to this team. It smacks of bush league and no integrity. The players despise it.

Now the talking heads on ESPN are openly speculating about when Booker will be asking for a trade. They are saying he wants to win right now.

Oh "laughing stock"...pffft so what. What was our record two years ago... three years ago? Does anyone remember? Does anyone care? People don't remember what our record was but they remember what players were taken in the draft and the pick number. Because fans care more about that.

Far as Booker.. he's staying. He's locked in.

 

[Hoop Head]

If people think Chandler "must go" then they're really going to hate Monroe. I think Monroe has the potential to be a much better mentor to Bender and Chriss than Chandler while Dudley is a solid teacher for Jackson. Dudley is not a PF but with his already limited athleticism declining due to age he's not a SF anymore either. If his BB-IQ and hustle can rub off some on Jackson and Warren that will help them tremendously, mostly Jackson, but maybe he can help Warren develop an outside shot because Dudley wasn't the shooter he is now during his last stint with the team.

 

[Hoop Head]

Oh "laughing stock"...pffft so what. What was our record two years ago... three years ago? Does anyone remember? Does anyone care? People don't remember what our record was but they remember what players were taken in the draft and the pick number. Because fans care more about that.

Far as Booker.. he's staying. He's locked in.

No player is "locked in", Bledsoe was "locked in", people thought Dragic, IT, and the Morrii were "locked in" also. It's not just the Suns either, it's a players league now and if a player demands to a trade then he'll be traded, look at Kyrie and Cleveland. You don't keep an unhappy player around and if Booker demands a trade then how far back do the Suns go? They'd be in a worse position than when they signed Beasley to be their primary option.

 

[pokerface]

No player is "locked in", Bledsoe was "locked in", people thought Dragic, IT, and the Morrii were "locked in" also. It's not just the Suns either, it's a players league now and if a player demands to a trade then he'll be traded, look at Kyrie and Cleveland. You don't keep an unhappy player around and if Booker demands a trade then how far back do the Suns go? They'd be in a worse position than when they signed Beasley to be their primary option.

Booker's contract can be matched...he's locked in. Besides, the best chance of keeping him is surrounding him with more talent... correct? Or do you want Len as our starting center?

 

[pokerface]

If people think Chandler "must go" then they're really going to hate Monroe. I think Monroe has the potential to be a much better mentor to Bender and Chriss than Chandler while Dudley is a solid teacher for Jackson. Dudley is not a PF but with his already limited athleticism declining due to age he's not a SF anymore either. If his BB-IQ and hustle can rub off some on Jackson and Warren that will help them tremendously, mostly Jackson, but maybe he can help Warren develop an outside shot because Dudley wasn't the shooter he is now during his last stint with the team.

Well Monroe has a "chance" of being around longer than Len or Chandler. Then again...a buy-out might be in order.

 

[Hoop Head]

Booker's contract can be matched...he's locked in. Besides, the best chance of keeping him is surrounding him with more talent... correct? Or do you want Len as our starting center?

I don't want Len but if you think Booker will be content with promises of losing seasons to draft young players who may or may not pan out then you're delusional. No player wants to be a part of tanking year in and year out and that's our best chance of adding talent because we have no luck with free agency. It doesn't matter if we match a contract to him or not, if he wants out things will get ugly.

 

[Mainstreet]

This team is a laughingstock around the league, players do not want to be here. But of course, we want to deliberately tank and make it worse. While I am glad to have Josh Jackson, that deliberate tank last year has done immeasurable harm to this team. It smacks of bush league and no integrity. The players despise it.

Now the talking heads on ESPN are openly speculating about when Booker will be asking for a trade. They are saying he wants to win right now.

I don't want Len but if you think Booker will be content with promises of losing seasons to draft young players who may or may not pan out then you're delusional. No player wants to be a part of tanking year in and year out and that's our best chance of adding talent because we have no luck with free agency. It doesn't matter if we match a contract to him or not, if he wants out things will get ugly.

Keeping Booker happy is probably what I think about most lately. He is largely thrust into carrying the Suns on his shoulders. If the Suns do not do anything to significantly improve the team this summer, it's just a matter of time before he wants out.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No player is "locked in", Bledsoe was "locked in", people thought Dragic, IT, and the Morrii were "locked in" also. It's not just the Suns either, it's a players league now and if a player demands to a trade then he'll be traded, look at Kyrie and Cleveland. You don't keep an unhappy player around and if Booker demands a trade then how far back do the Suns go? They'd be in a worse position than when they signed Beasley to be their primary option.

Someone name me a player in the modern era that was in the first three years of his career that successful complained his way to a trade. Booker is going nowhere unless it’s in a mega deal.

And the “immeasurable damage” that some of you keep spouting is ridiculous. As soon as there’s enough talent and they win players will be wanting to sign with the suns. They just have to be sharp in terms of drafting (lord knows they have enough chances with all their picks now).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Keeping Booker happy is probably what I think about most lately. He is largely thrust into carrying the Suns on his shoulders. If the Suns do not do anything to significantly improve the team this summer, it's just a matter of time before he wants out.

I think this summer is the key. If they get one of the top 5 picks I think they are going to be immediately better. They’ll also have a lot of ammunition (picks and young lotto talent) to package in potential trades.

 

[Hoop Head]

People thought adding another top 5 pick would improve them last season and we see how that is working out. We've drafted high for the last few years. At what point are we realistically going to see improvements because those have been suggested the last 2 drafts for sure.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think this summer is the key. If they get one of the top 5 picks I think they are going to be immediately better. They’ll also have a lot of ammunition (picks and young lotto talent) to package in potential trades.

Sure, drafting in the top five increases the chances of getting the best player, but it is by no means a sure thing. I think it is more important for the Suns to hit on their draft picks no matter where they pick.

I hesitate for the Suns to make any major moves at the moment for fear it may effect their draft status. It is really sad to even think this way. Something is wrong with the NBA that this is the path to success for most teams.

However, how long can the toxicity of losing be accepted before it kills the patient which is the fans, the community and the desire of the players to win?

 

[GatorAZ]

People thought adding another top 5 pick would improve them last season and we see how that is working out. We've drafted high for the last few years. At what point are we realistically going to see improvements because those have been suggested the last 2 drafts for sure.

Only one more year I promise.

 

[Cheesebeef]

People thought adding another top 5 pick would improve them last season and we see how that is working out. We've drafted high for the last few years. At what point are we realistically going to see improvements because those have been suggested the last 2 drafts for sure.

This is wrong... at least for the tankers. They thought we were so talent deficient that we needed a high pick last year AND another high pick this year before we actually started seeing improvement.

Anyone who really thought Josh Kackson would turnaround a pretty talentless squad was fooling themselves.

 

[pokerface]

Look, if Len wasn't such a dud we'd be ready to climb out of this mess. It's the SUNS that are tanking...THEY decide when we stop concentrating on the draft. Booker needs to turn into an all-star...Chriss needs to turn into a power forward... Warren & company need to defend. Is it really the owner and fans that are keeping the suns down? c'mon!

 

[JS22]

Tired of tanking. You can see what kind of culture it has created in PHX. Plus the Suns are essentially the laughing stock of the entire league. How long until Booker is fed up and forces his way out?

The Suns are going to need to massively overpay a "good" FA or 2 in the offseason and desperately push for a playoff spot. Anything else is going to lead to an even worse situation. And I'm going to lose my damn mind if people are STILL advocating tanking next season.

Hope everyone is happy, because this disaster is what happens when you create a losing culture, bad-mouth every player on their way out, and pull a chickensh*t move like benching Bledsoe during his best season ... TO TRY AND DRAFT HIS REPLACEMENT.

 

[pokerface]

I think this summer is the key. If they get one of the top 5 picks I think they are going to be immediately better. They’ll also have a lot of ammunition (picks and young lotto talent) to package in potential trades.

This is really a key post. We're stockpiling picks and trying to get another high pick. All this to make a move when the timing is right.

Not only that but sheding dead weight contracts or players that don't fit in our future gets us ready for moves.

The plan should be to draft and buy our way into contention. Also trade too but that is a little less desirable because we have to give up talent to get talent. But if we have talent to spare then it's all good.

 

[pokerface]

Tired of tanking. You can see what kind of culture it has created in PHX. Plus the Suns are essentially the laughing stock of the entire league. How long until Booker is fed up and forces his way out?

The Suns are going to need to massively overpay a "good" FA or 2 in the offseason and desperately push for a playoff spot. Anything else is going to lead to an even worse situation. And I'm going to lose my damn mind if people are STILL advocating tanking next season.

Hope everyone is happy, because this disaster is what happens when you create a losing culture, bad-mouth every player on their way out, and pull a chickensh*t move like benching Bledsoe during his best season ... TO TRY AND DRAFT HIS REPLACEMENT.

So what is your plan? Trade our youth for vets and get a couple playoff series and have to rebuild all over again? Sorry but I'm more excited about landing a top pick than that junk.

 

[Mainstreet]

Tired of tanking. You can see what kind of culture it has created in PHX. Plus the Suns are essentially the laughing stock of the entire league. How long until Booker is fed up and forces his way out?

The Suns are going to need to massively overpay a "good" FA or 2 in the offseason and desperately push for a playoff spot. Anything else is going to lead to an even worse situation. And I'm going to lose my damn mind if people are STILL advocating tanking next season.

Hope everyone is happy, because this disaster is what happens when you create a losing culture, bad-mouth every player on their way out, and pull a chickensh*t move like benching Bledsoe during his best season ... TO TRY AND DRAFT HIS REPLACEMENT.

There is a lot of truth in what you say. Losing tends to produce more losing. Perpetual losing is not the way to solve a problem. Good management is more likely to solve the problem by doing things the right way. It's hard for the Suns to recruit a top free agent because of their losing culture. The Suns used to be one of the most winning teams in the NBA and they got there without perpetual tanking.