Darn it, we gotta start Drafting Better

[kerouac9]

Or you could just admit that you were wrong and not be an ass. It's not a big deal.

Do you honestly believe Bucannon is the starting strong safety for this team? As I said, Minter is a starter, or Bucannon is, not both. I would wager that Rahsard Johnson leads the safety corps in defensive snaps on the year if he stays healthy.

 

[CFLredzoned]

Do you honestly believe Bucannon is the starting strong safety for this team? As I said, Minter is a starter, or Bucannon is, not both. I would wager that Rahsard Johnson leads the safety corps in defensive snaps on the year if he stays healthy.

I've heard from multiple sources, Revenge of the Birds and either Jurecki or someone at the Cards station, that Buc and Badger are the two guys that will never leave the field. That would make them starters at something. Now I don't know where ROB and others got that information.

 

[BigRedRage]

Deone Bucannon has yet to play any meaningful snaps at the position he was drafted at.

IMO that is irrelevant. Bucannon has been a great player for us and has been on the field a ton. Doesnt matter what position he is in.

Hell, Watford was drafted as a G and is currently starting at tackle, thats not a bad thing.

 

[BigRedRage]

Do you honestly believe Bucannon is the starting strong safety for this team? As I said, Minter is a starter, or Bucannon is, not both. I would wager that Rahsard Johnson leads the safety corps in defensive snaps on the year if he stays healthy.

In the base package, Cannon is SS, in nickle, he is not.

 

[kerouac9]

In the base package, Cannon is SS, in nickle, he is not.

I'll believe this when I see it. According to Urban, Bucannon is likely to play the entire season at ILB, which isn't great news for Minter's snaps. What does "base" even mean when the Cards are in a 6 DB package 60% of the time?

 

[kerouac9]

IMO that is irrelevant. He has been a great player for us and has been on the field a ton. Doesnt matter what position he is in. Watford was drafted as a G and is currently starting at tackle, thats not a bad thing.

The bar for "great" is certainly low for you.

It is if he stinks at tackle. This was a guy who was unable to push Paul Fanaika for playing time a year ago.

 

[BigRedRage]

The bar for "great" is certainly low for you.

It is if he stinks at tackle. This was a guy who was unable to push Paul Fanaika for playing time a year ago.

I was talking about Bucannon in the first sentences.

 

[BigRedRage]

I'll believe this when I see it. According to Urban, Bucannon is likely to play the entire season at ILB, which isn't great news for Minter's snaps. What does "base" even mean when the Cards are in a 6 DB package 60% of the time?

ever since Spoon played, Urban has changed his tune.

Besides, didnt you just call someone out for using Urban as their source of real info?

 

[kerouac9]

I was talking about Bucannon in the first sentences.

So was I. Here's what Football Outsiders had to say about Bucannon's rookie year:

Deone Bucannon, last year’s first-round pick, will tell you that he’s a safety, the position he played at Washington State and where he’s listed on the team’s media guide. In execution, though, he was almost exclusively a linebacker, albeit one who only saw the field in dime packages. That’s why the average pass distance on his targets was so short. Bucannon’s charting numbers are undoubtedly ugly, but his average yards allowed per target drops by a yard and a half if you take away one 59-yard gain by Jared Cook.

Bucannon ranked 3rd among DBs in stop percentage (65%) and 8th in Rushing YPA (4.3) — but as a linebacker he was a hell of a safety. That 4.3 YPA would have ranked more than a yard behind Larry Foote's RuYds (3.2, 36th among LBs).

ever since Spoon played, Urban has changed his tune.

Besides, didnt you just call someone out for using Urban as their source of real info?

Link?

I just called someone out for using the Cards' media relations depth chart.

 

[BigRedRage]

So was I. Here's what Football Outsiders had to say about Bucannon's rookie year:

Good for them.

Bucannon played well considering he was playing a position he is not suited for and he was on the field all year. That is not his fault. He played well enough that we are considering him doing a similar job this year. He will be better at SS but he is servicable and on the field, not something I care to bitch about. I prefer bitching about guys who never see the field.

 

[kerouac9]

Good for them.

Bucannon played well considering he was playing a position he is not suited for and he was on the field all year. That is not his fault. He played well enough that we are considering him doing a similar job this year. He will be better at SS but he is servicable and on the field, not something I care to bitch about. I prefer bitching about guys who never see the field.

None of which reads for me as a "great player." So either your bar for greatness is fairly low, or you just misspoke.

I think that Bucannon is a promising player who has a long, long way to go—particularly in coverage.

 

[BigRedRage]

None of which reads for me as a "great player." So either your bar for greatness is fairly low, or you just misspoke.

I think that Bucannon is a promising player who has a long, long way to go—particularly in coverage.

You are just taking my use of the word Great too literally. He hasnt even gotten a chance to play his natural position. IMO if a guy is on the field the majority of the time during the season, he was a good draft pick. period. That was my point, not the relevance of the word great.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Is this one of those Throw back Thursday things??? Is Sissy having flashbacks again???

Remember when the Cardinals drafted Wendall Bryant, Levar Fisher, Josh McCown and Dennis Johnson in the first three rounds. Those were Dark Days!!!

 

[frankeegee1]

Maybe your bar is set too high?☺

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[SissyBoyFloyd]

There is a draft. And there is our OL. And for years we have seemed completely unable to join the two in any kind of success whatsoever. Like the original post said and questioned, some teams seem to turn the OL around in one draft, while others like the Cards seem to languish year after year after year. It never ends for us. We just can't seem to solve our problem and get it right via the draft.

Let's take the Cowboys as a great example. Remember a 3 years ago on prime time tv and their OL could not block anyone. I forgot who they were playing, but it was hilarious or sad, whichever..... but what do they do, they make it a priority to change that. and they don't care what the pundits say. If an potential all pro center is one of their needs, they take him in round 1. Now they have one of the best OLs in the business. That is in 2 yrs they went from worse to first, so to speak. There are other great examples too. It is not uncommon for other teams to accomplish this feat.

But now you take the Cards and what do you have?

 

[MadCardDisease]

There is a draft. And there is our OL. And for years we have seemed completely unable to join the two in any kind of success whatsoever. Like the original post said and questioned, some teams seem to turn the OL around in one draft, while others like the Cards seem to languish year after year after year. It never ends for us. We just can't seem to solve our problem and get it right via the draft.

Which teams turn around their OL in one draft???

 

[MadCardDisease]

There is a draft. And there is our OL. And for years we have seemed completely unable to join the two in any kind of success whatsoever. Like the original post said and questioned, some teams seem to turn the OL around in one draft, while others like the Cards seem to languish year after year after year. It never ends for us. We just can't seem to solve our problem and get it right via the draft.

Let's take the Cowboys as a great example. Remember a 3 years ago on prime time tv and their OL could not block anyone. I forgot who they were playing, but it was hilarious or sad, whichever..... but what do they do, they make it a priority to change that. and they don't care what the pundits say. If an potential all pro center is one of their needs, they take him in round 1. Now they have one of the best OLs in the business. That is in 2 yrs they went from worse to first, so to speak. There are other great examples too. It is not uncommon for other teams to accomplish this feat.

But now you take the Cards and what do you have?

Free was drafted in 2007, Smith was drafted in 2011, Fredrick in 2013, Martin in 2014. That's 3 first rounders in the last 5 years and Free is in his 9th season. Doesn't sound like ONE draft to me.

 

[slanidrac16]

Oh how I long for the early 90's when we were so pathetic and knew it. There is so much wrong with today's Cardins.

Do you realize we've only won 21 games in the last 2 years...pathetic.

 

[AZCrazy]

But now you take the Cards and what do you have?

Oh for crap's sake. What you have is the best O Line the Cards have had since 1975. Just got to get people healthy again.

 

[perivolaki]

Let's take the Cowboys as a great example. Remember a 3 years ago on prime time tv and their OL could not block anyone. I forgot who they were playing, but it was hilarious or sad, whichever..... but what do they do, they make it a priority to change that. and they don't care what the pundits say. If an potential all pro center is one of their needs, they take him in round 1. Now they have one of the best OLs in the business. That is in 2 yrs they went from worse to first, so to speak. There are other great examples too. It is not uncommon for other teams to accomplish this feat.

But now you take the Cards and what do you have?

Lets take the Cowboys as an example. How good would they have been last year if Tyron Smith broke his leg in pre-season? Romo may have been running for his life and the Cowboys would have been scrambling to find a replacement at left tackle.

They've done a great job but a little luck factors into it. You can not deny that Cooper breaking his leg in his first pre-season set him back and as a result set back the Cardinals remaking of their offensive line.

Let's hope Cooper stays healthy this year and we may see the player the Cardinals thought they drafted.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Maybe I should have said completed their OL in one year in the draft, after building it solidly over 2 or 3 yrs in a row. Examples might be:

Packers: Three starters in left guard Josh Sitton, right guard T.J. Lang and left tackle David Bakhtiari were all drafted in the fourth round. Center Corey Linsley was a fifth-round pick.

Dallas Cowboys: have had tremendous success over the past few years with building a dominant offensive line. In four years they invested first-round picks in Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zack Martin, and hit it out of the park with all three. Last year, it was center Travis Frederick, who went 31st overall and was universally the most panned pick of the entire draft.

If you look at the dominate teams in some previous decades, their domination was built around an OL built through the draft: Raiders of 60's, Steelers of late 70-80's, Cowboys of 90's. How much of that is luck in drafting, intelligence in drafting, and persistence in addressing the OL in each draft has to examined. But, IMO, the only way to have a dominant OL is to wisely and consistently pursue such a thing year after year in the draft. Adding a great FA to complete the process is nice, but it is the draft where it should start and end.