Darren Urban on AM 1060 - Aug 11

[arthurracoon]

now

 

[arthurracoon]

-Rolle had a nice play to break up a Warner pass
-working with various teams

-Green still getting his feet under him
-will be a big part of the secondary

-Fred Wakefield doesnt look like as much of a long shot as Urban originally thought
-Wakefield is getting more looks now that the OL has two injuries
-Oliver Ross has a bit of a twisted knee
-Step has the hand issue
-almost every bench OL player has been a PS or non-starter
-depth a bit worrisome

-Denny said there was no new news on Step yesterday morning
-we will see at 12:30 today

-Elton Brown is very raw
-probably wont make a run at the starting job this year
-Green hopes he can be ready for it next year

-After Q, BJ, and Fitz, no one else has really stood apart
-Lee (I think it was) is a step above the others

-the first preseason game will be about execution

-Josh McCown is rebounding from the fact that he will not start
-earlier, he was still recovering from that blow (not being a starter)
-He has been good friends with Warner
-Josh is a great guy
Although I dont think Urban was all too impressed with the progress Josh has made

 

[Russ Smith]

Hate to be the bad guy but this is precisely what is keeping Josh from turning his considerable athletic talent into good QB play. Said it all last year, will say it again, he does NOT handle adversity well.

At least they said he's rebounding, in a 16 game season and playoffs with Warner's recent history of sacks, it's very likely we're going to need Josh to play at times this year, so he's got to be in the right frame of mind to do so.

 

[clif]

If he can't learn from a guy as open and professional as Warner, then he will never succeed

 

[Stout]

Is the poor wittle backup QB's feewings hurt? Awwwwwww...not!

The kid didn't do well as a starter. He knows it, the team knows it, and Denny went out and got Warner because he knew it too. Sure, it sucks being demoted, but the attitude should be, well, if I don't stink, I may do better. Moping will do you no good, especially as a QB.

Aside from having questionable skills and talents, this kid seems emotionally fragile. Kordell Stewart part deux.

 

[arthurracoon]

If he can't learn from a guy as open and professional as Warner, then he will never succeed

Urban also said:

-He has been good friends with Warner
-Josh is a great guy

Although I dont think Urban was all too impressed with the progress Josh has made

 

[clif]

Urban also said:

-He has been good friends with Warner
-Josh is a great guy

Although I dont think Urban was all too impressed with the progress Josh has made

He need to "knuckle up"... stop giving in and play

 

[Redheart]

...Aside from having questionable skills and talents, this kid seems emotionally fragile. Kordell Stewart part deux.

Crying?! There is no crying in football!!

 

[CardLogic]

arthur, thanks for the daily Urban reports...


But shouldn't you be in class???

 

[duckfallas]

Hate to be the bad guy but this is precisely what is keeping Josh from turning his considerable athletic talent into good QB play. Said it all last year, will say it again, he does NOT handle adversity well.

At least they said he's rebounding, in a 16 game season and playoffs with Warner's recent history of sacks, it's very likely we're going to need Josh to play at times this year, so he's got to be in the right frame of mind to do so.

I hope not. With Warner starting all 16 games this team will win the division and do well in the playoffs. If McCown has to play in 4 or more games, the chances of that happening drop considerably, IMO.

 

[CardinalLaw]

I hope not. With Warner starting all 16 games this team will win the division and do well in the playoffs. If McCown has to play in 4 or more games, the chances of that happening drop considerably, IMO.

I agree completely. The defense can only win so many games by themselves.

 

[arthurracoon]

arthur, thanks for the daily Urban reports...


But shouldn't you be in class???

I only start school on the 22nd!

 

[kerouac9]

I hope not. With Warner starting all 16 games this team will win the division and do well in the playoffs. If McCown has to play in 4 or more games, the chances of that happening drop considerably, IMO.

That's more than a little optimistic. Part (I'd argue most) of the reason that Warner performed so well with the Rams (and so mediocre with the Giants) was because he was on a team with three Hall of Famers and an offensive design that is exceedingly QB-friendly and no one had ever seen before.

In Arizona (and New York), Warner is going to be without those parts, and especially the scheme that basically any of us could step into and put up at 88 QB rating. Warner's skills have been massively overrated since he came into the league. It's the system, stupid.

Warner putting up a QB rating in the high 80s is probably the best that we can expect, and would keep the Cards competing in the division until the end of the season.

 

[duckfallas]

Green and Rowen have a system similar to what Warner succeeded in. That is why Green wanted him. Whether or not he still has the skills remains to be seen. Judging by early camp reports, he still has it.

What he needs is an O line that will give him enough time to deliver the ball. If he gets that this season I see the Cardinals winning at least 10 games, maybe more.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's more than a little optimistic. Part (I'd argue most) of the reason that Warner performed so well with the Rams (and so mediocre with the Giants) was because he was on a team with three Hall of Famers and an offensive design that is exceedingly QB-friendly and no one had ever seen before.

In Arizona (and New York), Warner is going to be without those parts, and especially the scheme that basically any of us could step into and put up at 88 QB rating. Warner's skills have been massively overrated since he came into the league. It's the system, stupid.

Warner putting up a QB rating in the high 80s is probably the best that we can expect, and would keep the Cards competing in the division until the end of the season.

Warner was definitely right place right time but it's a bit unfair to say 99-2001 was just the system and anybody could have done it, 98 TD's in those 3 years in only 43 games, he was remarkably accurate in that time. Yes the system was new and having Faulk, Holt, Bruce, Hakim certainly had a lot to do with Warners success but Green and Bulger have not been able to duplicate his impact.

And remember the guy who dreamed that system up is pretty universally considered to be a putz today.

 

[kerouac9]

Green and Rowen have a system similar to what Warner succeeded in. That is why Green wanted him. Whether or not he still has the skills remains to be seen. Judging by early camp reports, he still has it.

What he needs is an O line that will give him enough time to deliver the ball. If he gets that this season I see the Cardinals winning at least 10 games, maybe more.

Oh, okay. I'm sure that Torry Holt and Marshall Faulk are also here? There's a significant difference between what St. Louis runs and KC runs. If you want evidence, look at how well the KC offense transplanted to Chicago last season. Let's not forget that this is an offense designed to be run on turf (while nearly invincible at home, the Rams were mediocre on the road, even during the Greatest Show on Turf years). The Cards are going to play on soft grass.

Green's offense is nothing like the Martz system, and never was. Green runs modified West Coast from his days working in the Bay Area.

Again, Warner looks great playing against a rookie corner in Eric Green and a handful of guys that aren't going to make the roster, with Calvin Pace and Peppi Zellner "rushing" him. None of the reports that I've heard from outside sources (like Durban and MJ) have said that Warner looks "great" or still "has it". They say that he's been up and down, and that we'll really see how his arm/hand is on Saturday night.

"Time to deliver the ball" is a non-factor in Martz's offense, because it was specifically three-step drops and unloading the ball to super-fast WRs. Warner's a long time from his GSoT days. I'm guessing that he finishes the season (8-8 or 9-7) with a 86.3 QB rating.

 

[kerouac9]

Warner was definitely right place right time but it's a bit unfair to say 99-2001 was just the system and anybody could have done it, 98 TD's in those 3 years in only 43 games, he was remarkably accurate in that time. Yes the system was new and having Faulk, Holt, Bruce, Hakim certainly had a lot to do with Warners success but Green and Bulger have not been able to duplicate his impact.

And remember the guy who dreamed that system up is pretty universally considered to be a putz today.

I still think that it was 75% system/personnel and 25% QB. Bulger's put up pretty good numbers in that offense (despite an injured/aging Marshall Faulk and an Issac Bruce who's lost at least two steps), as has Green (with no WRs to throw to, and on grass). It isn't the same, but everybody's seen the offense for five years now.

I thought that Martz was a putz then, but that's in his game management, player management, and personnel decisions. He's still a hell of a genius at designing plays for that offense.

 

[CardinalLaw]

None of the reports that I've heard from outside sources (like Durban and MJ) have said that Warner looks "great" or still "has it".

Acually MJ said yesterday that Warner has only had two bad practices. He said he has been his biggest critic, but he has looked nothing short of fantastic. Said he has been extremely impressed with him.

 

[Russ Smith]

"Time to deliver the ball" is a non-factor in Martz's offense, because it was specifically three-step drops and unloading the ball to super-fast WRs. Warner's a long time from his GSoT days. I'm guessing that he finishes the season (8-8 or 9-7) with a 86.3 QB rating.

I'll agree that they were a quick offense but the whole reason Warner's career slid so quickly is all the hits he took because Martz didn't believe in protecting the QB. So it's not like he played in an offense where he had it easy he got hit more than any other QB in the NFL in those 3 years.

My whole question with Warner is can he ever be healthy again he clearly hasn't been the same guy since the 2001 season ended. We're not going to be the '99 Rams, but I sure expect Warner to run Green's offense better than Josh, King and Navarre did last year.

 

[joeshmo]

Acually MJ said yesterday that Warner has only had two bad practices. He said he has been his biggest critic, but he has looked nothing short of fantastic. Said he has been extremely impressed with him.

I was about to say the same thing. Both have had nothing but good things to say about him. And coming from two guys who were Warners biggest critics when he signed here, is saying something.

 

[kerouac9]

Acually MJ said yesterday that Warner has only had two bad practices. He said he has been his biggest critic, but he has looked nothing short of fantastic. Said he has been extremely impressed with him.

In the morning? Because that's not the story that he was telling Tuesday afternoon. Not even the reports from here on Warner have been like what we heard about McCown last season.

Everyone's quick to excuse Warner's weak days because of "wet footballs" or whatever, but sometimes you have to play in the rain.

But, whatever. Go ahead and be disappointed when Warner doesn't throw 35 TDs. I'm sure it's real difficult to look great against the likes of Eric Green, Rhett Nelson, and Raymond Walls. Especially when you're throwing to Fitz & BJ.

 

[CardinalLaw]

In the morning? Because that's not the story that he was telling Tuesday afternoon. Not even the reports from here on Warner have been like what we heard about McCown last season.

Everyone's quick to excuse Warner's weak days because of "wet footballs" or whatever, but sometimes you have to play in the rain.

But, whatever. Go ahead and be disappointed when Warner doesn't throw 35 TDs. I'm sure it's real difficult to look great against the likes of Eric Green, Rhett Nelson, and Raymond Walls. Especially when you're throwing to Fitz & BJ.

It was acually on his daily 5:45 update with Gambo and Ash.

 

[kerouac9]

I'll agree that they were a quick offense but the whole reason Warner's career slid so quickly is all the hits he took because Martz didn't believe in protecting the QB. So it's not like he played in an offense where he had it easy he got hit more than any other QB in the NFL in those 3 years.

My whole question with Warner is can he ever be healthy again he clearly hasn't been the same guy since the 2001 season ended. We're not going to be the '99 Rams, but I sure expect Warner to run Green's offense better than Josh, King and Navarre did last year.

He took a lot of hits because they started hemmoraging personnel on the offensive line. I also think that Martz starting having to over-compensate for Hakim being gone to Detroit. He took a lot of hits, but he always seemed to get the ball out to someone before he took them.

He probably has some shell-shock, but he's never been in a system that made him look as good as he did at the Trans World Dome. Green's success is taking QBs from less-friendly offenses and putting them in one that was especially friendly. Warner's going from an unfriendly system to one that's more friendly, but not as QB-friendly as Martz's was.

Again, I don't think that he's going to suck. All I expect is for him to be average, because that's what he is.

As for the media's reports on Warner: I haven't seen anything like that in print or heard anything on the radio. I've heard that he's had good passes--but so what? He throws 75 of them a day. All I've heard--over and over--is the reporters kind of shrugging their shoulders and saying "there's not much to say--it's not like there's a competition going on."

 

[joeshmo]

with a 86.3 QB rating.

So you think he will have a lower rating then he did last year (86.5).

And I would be giddy with 86.3 rating. Thats a 12.2 point jump compared to McCown bottom feeding 74.1. And 12.2 points is a pretty big upgrade, and would upgrade our O considerably.

 

[dylanbw]

Russ..

..excellent use of Putz.

According to Websters: Putz = A guy who steps out of the shower to take a leak.