arthurracoon
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arthurracoon -Josh McCown is rebounding from the fact that he will not start -earlier said:Hate to be the bad guy but this is precisely what is keeping Josh from turning his considerable athletic talent into good QB play. Said it all last year, will say it again, he does NOT handle adversity well.
At least they said he's rebounding, in a 16 game season and playoffs with Warner's recent history of sacks, it's very likely we're going to need Josh to play at times this year, so he's got to be in the right frame of mind to do so.
clif said:If he can't learn from a guy as open and professional as Warner, then he will never succeed
arthurracoon said:Urban also said:
-He has been good friends with Warner
-Josh is a great guy
Although I dont think Urban was all too impressed with the progress Josh has made
Stout said:...Aside from having questionable skills and talents, this kid seems emotionally fragile. Kordell Stewart part deux.
Russ Smith said:Hate to be the bad guy but this is precisely what is keeping Josh from turning his considerable athletic talent into good QB play. Said it all last year, will say it again, he does NOT handle adversity well.
At least they said he's rebounding, in a 16 game season and playoffs with Warner's recent history of sacks, it's very likely we're going to need Josh to play at times this year, so he's got to be in the right frame of mind to do so.
I agree completely. The defense can only win so many games by themselves.duckfallas said:I hope not. With Warner starting all 16 games this team will win the division and do well in the playoffs. If McCown has to play in 4 or more games, the chances of that happening drop considerably, IMO.
CardLogic said:arthur, thanks for the daily Urban reports...
But shouldn't you be in class???
duckfallas said:I hope not. With Warner starting all 16 games this team will win the division and do well in the playoffs. If McCown has to play in 4 or more games, the chances of that happening drop considerably, IMO.
kerouac9 said:That's more than a little optimistic. Part (I'd argue most) of the reason that Warner performed so well with the Rams (and so mediocre with the Giants) was because he was on a team with three Hall of Famers and an offensive design that is exceedingly QB-friendly and no one had ever seen before.
In Arizona (and New York), Warner is going to be without those parts, and especially the scheme that basically any of us could step into and put up at 88 QB rating. Warner's skills have been massively overrated since he came into the league. It's the system, stupid.
Warner putting up a QB rating in the high 80s is probably the best that we can expect, and would keep the Cards competing in the division until the end of the season.
duckfallas said:Green and Rowen have a system similar to what Warner succeeded in. That is why Green wanted him. Whether or not he still has the skills remains to be seen. Judging by early camp reports, he still has it.
What he needs is an O line that will give him enough time to deliver the ball. If he gets that this season I see the Cardinals winning at least 10 games, maybe more.
Russ Smith said:Warner was definitely right place right time but it's a bit unfair to say 99-2001 was just the system and anybody could have done it, 98 TD's in those 3 years in only 43 games, he was remarkably accurate in that time. Yes the system was new and having Faulk, Holt, Bruce, Hakim certainly had a lot to do with Warners success but Green and Bulger have not been able to duplicate his impact.
And remember the guy who dreamed that system up is pretty universally considered to be a putz today.
Acually MJ said yesterday that Warner has only had two bad practices. He said he has been his biggest critic, but he has looked nothing short of fantastic. Said he has been extremely impressed with him.kerouac9 said:None of the reports that I've heard from outside sources (like Durban and MJ) have said that Warner looks "great" or still "has it".
kerouac9 said:"Time to deliver the ball" is a non-factor in Martz's offense, because it was specifically three-step drops and unloading the ball to super-fast WRs. Warner's a long time from his GSoT days. I'm guessing that he finishes the season (8-8 or 9-7) with a 86.3 QB rating.
CardinalLaw said:Acually MJ said yesterday that Warner has only had two bad practices. He said he has been his biggest critic, but he has looked nothing short of fantastic. Said he has been extremely impressed with him.
CardinalLaw said:Acually MJ said yesterday that Warner has only had two bad practices. He said he has been his biggest critic, but he has looked nothing short of fantastic. Said he has been extremely impressed with him.
kerouac9 said:In the morning? Because that's not the story that he was telling Tuesday afternoon. Not even the reports from here on Warner have been like what we heard about McCown last season.
Everyone's quick to excuse Warner's weak days because of "wet footballs" or whatever, but sometimes you have to play in the rain.
But, whatever. Go ahead and be disappointed when Warner doesn't throw 35 TDs. I'm sure it's real difficult to look great against the likes of Eric Green, Rhett Nelson, and Raymond Walls. Especially when you're throwing to Fitz & BJ.
Russ Smith said:I'll agree that they were a quick offense but the whole reason Warner's career slid so quickly is all the hits he took because Martz didn't believe in protecting the QB. So it's not like he played in an offense where he had it easy he got hit more than any other QB in the NFL in those 3 years.
My whole question with Warner is can he ever be healthy again he clearly hasn't been the same guy since the 2001 season ended. We're not going to be the '99 Rams, but I sure expect Warner to run Green's offense better than Josh, King and Navarre did last year.
kerouac9 said:with a 86.3 QB rating.