Daryl Washington has been cut

[BullheadCardFan]

A real old fashion concept but I would think he would want to pay the Cardinals back for the bonus money he accepted in terms of taking less money to play for them now.

Yep.

 

[Sunburn]

Didn't want to play for the vet minimum......you gotta be ******** me. This guy is still delusional. Want no part of him.

 

[Sunburn]

After all the good faith the Cards showed him, I really hope no other team signs him.

 

[BillsCarnage]

I'm surprised they didn't at least see what he was like in OTA/Training Camp before making the decision.

I would've kept him through camp to see if he can play. That wouldn't have hurt a thing. If he could play, he helps. If he couldn't, you still cut him and get cap space.

Remember, he's still in conditional reinstatement. He can only workout, attend meetings, etc. Can't participate in field activities until full reinstatement. That may not be until week1.

D-Wash not wanting to play for the minimum is proof that he has no remorse for what he did to the Cardinals.

Exactly. With MB and his position as chair of the conduct committee, he's not one to ignore showing remorse to.

 

[Azlen]

I find it strange that so many on here have no idea what a 'bonus' is ...
here's the definition

noun, plural bonuses.
1. something given or paid over and above what is due.
2. a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.
3. something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.
4. a premium paid for a loan, contract, etc.
5. something extra or additional given freely

it is NOT money for future performance (that is a contract). The second it is awarded it belongs to the one receiving it. It is a reward for the past, not the future.

The money was DWs the instant it was handed over, all of it, no matter what happened.

Players love bonuses because it is in effect reward for what they have already done and is theirs right now. If they get hit by a car and paralyzed and then the next day they are cut, they still have that because it is theirs. It is not the team's money and it is not some promise of future performance (again, that would be the contract).

Hate him for whatever you want, but please stop this idiotic claim that he 'stole' anything from the Cardinals. You whiners are the same ones that bitch and moan at a poker table when someone makes a move on 'your' big blind. It's not 'your' big blind, it's the pot's big blind. Same with a bonus, the second it is awarded it belongs to the awardee, no matter what happens after that.

An upfront signing bonus is different than a bonus most people get at work. It's paid to NFL players upfront as part of their contracts because NFL contracts don't have guaranteed contracts. The Cardinals were not rewarding him for past performance per se, they were giving him upfront money as part of his contract. Which as you said, is a promise of future performance. Would you feel the same way if players signed a contract that included upfront money, took the money and then retired?

 

[pmacLean]

An upfront signing bonus is different than a bonus most people get at work. It's paid to NFL players upfront as part of their contracts because NFL contracts don't have guaranteed contracts. The Cardinals were not rewarding him for past performance per se, they were giving him upfront money as part of his contract. Which as you said, is a promise of future performance. Would you feel the same way if players signed a contract that included upfront money, took the money and then retired?

absolutely... you can try to pussyfoot around what a bonus is, but the bare fact is, if they offering a bonus (especially a BIG bonus) it's because he vastly outplayed whatever mundane contract he was under.
As for the rest, a bonus is a bonus, if it's a signing bonus, it's to get him to sign, he signed, end of that.
You do not OWE anything for a bonus, ever, for any reason. If you want him to owe (and anyone else to owe) then you better rename the damn thing because that would NOT be a bonus.

As far as contracts go, the NFL went happily along for years, cutting people left an right prior to them collecting any contractual money, many times because they were injured trying to live up to their side of the contract.

Just because players now have a one up on billionaire owners, we are supposed to cry and moan, because the player came out on top ? Not me.

Good luck to DW. I hope he is in the shape he says he is in and pops some eyeballs this year (yes, someone will give him the opportunity).
I have no axe to grind with the Cardinals over this. That was their decision, so be it.
I just cannot abide some mentally challenged bozos claiming he 'stole' from the Cardinals. He did nothing of the kind.

 

[Jetstream Green]

D-Wash not wanting to play for the minimum is proof that he has no remorse for what he did to the Cardinals.

It's kind of like getting a call three years later from a woman you wined and dined at all kinds of fancy restaurants during which she gave you all kinds of promises and then she dumped you...but now three years later she wants to try again as long as you take her right back to the Four Seasons.

Good riddance.

Bam!

 

[Cardiac]

I find it strange that so many on here have no idea what a 'bonus' is ...
here's the definition

noun, plural bonuses.
1. something given or paid over and above what is due.
2. a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.
3. something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.
4. a premium paid for a loan, contract, etc.
5. something extra or additional given freely

it is NOT money for future performance (that is a contract). The second it is awarded it belongs to the one receiving it. It is a reward for the past, not the future.

The money was DWs the instant it was handed over, all of it, no matter what happened.

Players love bonuses because it is in effect reward for what they have already done and is theirs right now. If they get hit by a car and paralyzed and then the next day they are cut, they still have that because it is theirs. It is not the team's money and it is not some promise of future performance (again, that would be the contract).

Hate him for whatever you want, but please stop this idiotic claim that he 'stole' anything from the Cardinals. You whiners are the same ones that bitch and moan at a poker table when someone makes a move on 'your' big blind. It's not 'your' big blind, it's the pot's big blind. Same with a bonus, the second it is awarded it belongs to the awardee, no matter what happens after that.

That's not how it works in the NFL, not even close. Bonuses in the NFL are a way to give the player some guaranteed money and help spread costs out on the CAP. None of the above drivel you posted has anything to do with how the NFL views and utilizes Bonuses.

 

[clif]

I blame Doug and Wolf for their badgering of Michael this morning. Lol. They kept asking him as if he was going to really tell them the protocol the Cards where going to follow. He was pretty aggravated after awhile. You had to know it was not going to go well. Oh well. I am not happy or sad. Just wish it would have ended better.

 

[Yuma]

dang. I wonder how this effects the Cards cap?

Frees up 3 million in space.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I find it strange that so many on here have no idea what a 'bonus' is ...
here's the definition

noun, plural bonuses.
1. something given or paid over and above what is due.
2. a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.
3. something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.
4. a premium paid for a loan, contract, etc.
5. something extra or additional given freely

it is NOT money for future performance (that is a contract). The second it is awarded it belongs to the one receiving it. It is a reward for the past, not the future.

The money was DWs the instant it was handed over, all of it, no matter what happened.

Players love bonuses because it is in effect reward for what they have already done and is theirs right now. If they get hit by a car and paralyzed and then the next day they are cut, they still have that because it is theirs. It is not the team's money and it is not some promise of future performance (again, that would be the contract).

Hate him for whatever you want, but please stop this idiotic claim that he 'stole' anything from the Cardinals. You whiners are the same ones that bitch and moan at a poker table when someone makes a move on 'your' big blind. It's not 'your' big blind, it's the pot's big blind. Same with a bonus, the second it is awarded it belongs to the awardee, no matter what happens after that.

You have no idea what you're talking about. A Webster's dictionary definition doesn't adequately define everything. If your concept was true then bonuses wouldn't be part of the negotiations for a new contract. They are SIGNING bonuses. Which means a bonus for signing the contract. Do you really think they are getting rewarded for signing a contract??? If you do, I don't know what to say to you other than you're flat out wrong. They represent the upfront and guaranteed money in a contract in sports. Not a reward for past services. I honestly can't believe you even took the time to type that post.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You know, that's so true. When I got bonuses from work at the end of each year, it was mine, no matter if I decided to quite the job 2 months later. I knew I didn't have to give it back.

They weren't signing bonuses that you negotiated for a new contract, were they? Cmon shaggy don't fall prey to an AWFUL argument.

 

[Shaggy]

They weren't signing bonuses that you negotiated for a new contract, were they? Cmon shaggy don't fall prey to an AWFUL argument.

Either way, they took a risk on giving him that $10 million bonus, even if he injured himself on the first play after they gave it to him. It is what it is and its a risk. Sucks how this whole thing has panned out but it seems both Cards and Wash are happy going in different directions. So be it.

 

[Azlen]

Either way, they took a risk on giving him that $10 million bonus, even if he injured himself on the first play after they gave it to him. It is what it is and its a risk. Sucks how this whole thing has panned out but it seems both Cards and Wash are happy going in different directions. So be it.

An injury is an unforeseen event. Continuing to smoke pot when you have assured your employer that you had put that behind you is something very different.
It is pretty clear that he played the Cardinals for fools when they trusted him enough to give him that money. He made the choices he did when he knew what would the consequences would be.

 

[Reign Blood]

Well let's be realistic here...

He's not played any organized football in three years. It would've take him a lot more work and work ethic than we could imagine. Hey it's not impossible right? Yes it is...

First and foremost DWash is a liar. Along with the responsibilities of having millions of dollars is managing your time and money. He had such a chance and blew it. Plain and simple. If someone that was gone from the nfl in such great shape would've Been Terell Owens minus the drugs and he couldn't make it why would you think DWash could?

Plus it was a conditional return and it sounds like it was based upon the Cards accepting and expecting a reasonable offer than what stood three years ago.

As a fan I hoped to see him again in a Cards uni but after this decision I say yes dump his butt because if anyone wants to win its Michael Bidwill.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why would anyone expect him to accept the minimum? He's going to get more than that elsewhere and him and his agents know it.

How's this analogy Mitch? People claim alcoholism and drug addiction is a disease(I don't but some do).

You've got an employee who has been sick for 3 years, now has recovered, and you'll take them back but only at a fraction of what he was paid prior to being sick, regardless of if his production is at the same level.

I'm not defending Washington's action at all but to blast him and expect him to play for the Cards for much less than another team is going offer him is ridiculous.

It's a 2 way street. I remember, going way back, think it was Chris Gedney, had some kind of disease/condition, and the Cards cut him because he wasn't able to help on the field any longer.

 

[Mitch]

Why would anyone expect him to accept the minimum? He's going to get more than that elsewhere and him and his agents know it.

How's this analogy Mitch? People claim alcoholism and drug addiction is a disease(I don't but some do).

You've got an employee who has been sick for 3 years, now has recovered, and you'll take them back but only at a fraction of what he was paid prior to being sick, regardless of if his production is at the same level.

I'm not defending Washington's action at all but to blast him and expect him to play for the Cards for much less than another team is going offer him is ridiculous.

It's a 2 way street. I remember, going way back, think it was Chris Gedney, had some kind of disease/condition, and the Cards cut him because he wasn't able to help on the field any longer.

You left out an important context...the employee lied repeatedly and engaged in illegal conduct that was detrimental to himself and the company...the employee was also paid a $10,000,000 bonus just prior to the taking of a three year hiatus.

After three years, the company gives the guy a chance to redeem himself...but he only wants it on his terms. That says it all about D-Wash.

 

[iLLmatiC]

You left out an important context...the employee lied repeatedly and engaged in illegal conduct that was detrimental to himself and the company...the employee was also paid a $10,000,000 bonus just prior to the taking of a three year hiatus.

After three years, the company gives the guy a chance to redeem himself...but he only wants it on his terms. That says it all about D-Wash.

To top it off, he hasn't played in 3 years and nobody knows if he can play at the same level he left at.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Why would anyone expect him to accept the minimum? He's going to get more than that elsewhere and him and his agents know it.

They THINK they know that.

Didn't see him sign anywhere yesterday, so until he signs for more than that elsewhere, that is just an assumption.

 

[Mitch]

To top it off, he hasn't played in 3 years and nobody knows if he can play at the same level he left at.

It is very likely that Washington will be battling injuries this season and missing practices and games. His mind might be willing at first, but not playing in 3 years is going to be challenging in terms of reconditioning his body to adapt to the physical demands.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Isn't the fact that he won't play for the minimum even more speculation at this point?

 

[Stout]

People claim alcoholism and drug addiction is a disease(I don't but some do).

Deny reality much?

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

It is very likely that Washington will be battling injuries this season and missing practices and games. His mind might be willing at first, but not playing in 3 years is going to be challenging in terms of reconditioning his body to adapt to the physical demands.

With the punishing physical demands comes pain and discomfort. How long before he returns to his old friend Wacky Tobacky? Old habits are hard to break. Especially when all you need is relief.

 

[gmabel830]

Isn't the fact that he won't play for the minimum even more speculation at this point?

MJ said he talked to DWash and that's what he said. So it's only speculation if you think MJ is lying

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[SeattleCard]

Came down to money... as it usually does. Can't blame the Cards for cutting ties after being burned so many times. I am also not of the opinion that talent just evaporates after three years... so DWash will probably go somewhere else and be a beast.

Oh well. AZ is set at the LB position right now, so time to move on.