Day 1 Senior Bowl practice

[Crazy Canuck]

Has a guy ever recorded 10 sacks without a move? I'm not saying it isn't possible, but this guy screams, athletic freak, no position, to me.

The move that can't be taught is speed to the outside, which leaves tackles in the turf. That he has, and everything else can be added.

 

[Krangodnzr]

IMO Von Miller is a terrible prospect for us in the first round.

He's too small, and is a one trick run around the slow college tackle kind of pass rusher. He won't be able to beat people with his quicks as often, will be out of position to stop the run (like he was often at Texas A&M), and will get demolished one-on-one against top notch pass blockers.

Quinn, Houston, Aldon Smith and even (gasp!) Ryan Kerrigan are all much better prospects for this team.

 

[bg7brd]

IMO Von Miller is a terrible prospect for us in the first round.

He's too small, and is a one trick run around the slow college tackle kind of pass rusher. He won't be able to beat people with his quicks as often, will be out of position to stop the run (like he was often at Texas A&M), and will get demolished one-on-one against top notch pass blockers.

Quinn, Houston, Aldon Smith and even (gasp!) Ryan Kerrigan are all much better prospects for this team.

I like Jabaal Sheard in the 2nd if we go in another direction in the 1st.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243192

 

[joeshmo]

IMO Von Miller is a terrible prospect for us in the first round.

He's too small, and is a one trick run around the slow college tackle kind of pass rusher. He won't be able to beat people with his quicks as often, will be out of position to stop the run (like he was often at Texas A&M), and will get demolished one-on-one against top notch pass blockers.

He does need to gain some weight or mostly strength, but I don't think the bolded part is to accurate. Watched Miller play against 3 of the top 10 OT prospects according to the huddlereport - Barksdale of LSU, Watkins of Baylor, and Love of Arkansas. Barksdale and Watkins both having great feet. Racked up a sack against each and 7 Tackles for loss.

In 2009 if anyone watched the Oklahoma State game the match-up between Miller an Okung was epic. Back and forth all game, with Miller in the backfield disrupting Running plays often and getting some solid hits on the QB. Was the only player to give Okung trouble all year long.

The kid has played against NFL talent with good feet all the way down the spectrum to the so called slow OT's in college football. He has performed and performed well against all of them.

If he shows up to the combine at anywhere in the 245 range he has a legit shot to go top 5 IMO.

 

[juza76]

He does need to gain some weight or mostly strength, but I don't think the bolded part is to accurate. Watched Miller play against 3 of the top 10 OT prospects according to the huddlereport - Barksdale of LSU, Watkins of Baylor, and Love of Arkansas. Barksdale and Watkins both having great feet. Racked up a sack against each and 7 Tackles for loss.

In 2009 if anyone watched the Oklahoma State game the match-up between Miller an Okung was epic. Back and forth all game, with Miller in the backfield disrupting Running plays often and getting some solid hits on the QB. Was the only player to give Okung trouble all year long.

The kid has played against NFL talent with good feet all the way down the spectrum to the so called slow OT's in college football. He has performed and performed well against all of them.

If he shows up to the combine at anywhere in the 245 range he has a legit shot to go top 5 IMO.

mayock also said he can play olb in 4-3 defense

 

[joeshmo]

mayock also said he can play olb in 4-3 defense

I can see that as well, could go as high as the Bills who are desperate for a 4-3 OLB that can rush to make up for the mistake that is Aaron Maybin.

 

[juza76]

I can see that as well, could go as high as the Bills who are desperate for a 4-3 OLB that can rush to make up for the mistake that is Aaron Maybin.

the bills will play 4-3 defense ,didnt know.are you sure of that?

 

[Krangodnzr]

The guy that stood out at WR today was Titus Young 5-11 175. The speed and moves this guy has are impressive. Caught the ball very well. Some have him as a third rounder, but I think he goes in the second round. WR Vincent Brown is the other receiver that stood out today. I think he and Young are the two best on the North squad.

I really liked what I saw from DE Ryan Kerrigan today. He looked really good and beat the so called top Left Tackle prospect Nate Solder with an inside move badly.

I like Titus Young quite abit. He's like a poor man's Desean Jackson, with less deep speed, but more shiftiness. I'd take him in the third in a heartbeat. With him, Fitz (hopefully), Breaston, and Roberts, you'd have a pretty good WR corps.

Beating Solder is no feat. Solder is a complete stiff, one of those guys I wouldn't take in the first 3 rounds at all. No idea why he's considered a top prospect, I've seen enough film of him getting schooled by good college defensive ends. Just imagine what the Peppers caliber players of the NFL would do to him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCIL393_qiQ

Key in on #40

Dude gets dominated. Has nothing more than a speed rush to the outside. If the tackle gets his hand on him, he's finished.

If Von Miller tries to play like this in the NFL, even average NFL tackles will easily dominate him. IMO he's going to be a bust. That's my fearless prediction of this draft.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I can see that as well, could go as high as the Bills who are desperate for a 4-3 OLB that can rush to make up for the mistake that is Aaron Maybin.

I'm pretty certain Buffalo runs a 3-4.

 

[juza76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCIL393_qiQ

Key in on #40

Dude gets dominated. Has nothing more than a speed rush to the outside. If the tackle gets his hand on him, he's finished.

If Von Miller tries to play like this in the NFL, even average NFL tackles will easily dominate him. IMO he's going to be a bust. That's my fearless prediction of this draft.

not agree..he has been a power also against best offensive linemen at college..even last year against okung..is the most ready olb in the draft

ps) are you one of them who were preferring sean lee instead of daryl washington last draft???

 

[Krangodnzr]

not agree..he has been a power also against best offensive linemen at college..even last year against okung..is the most ready olb in the draft

I have seen very few instances to support that. In that highlight reel, I don't think he even does it once.

ps) are you one of them who were preferring sean lee instead of daryl washington last draft???

Hell no. But I wouldn't advocate Daryl Washington playing OLB, which is essentially what Von Miller is.

 

[ARodg]

not agree..he has been a power also against best offensive linemen at college..even last year against okung..is the most ready olb in the draft

ps) are you one of them who were preferring sean lee instead of daryl washington last draft???

Another thing you have to remember is that NFL quarterbacks have NFL pocket awareness and rush avoidance. If there's one thing you'll notice in that Texas vs. Texas AandM video it's that Miller was taking the same angles he usually takes. Colt McCoy just had the pocket prescence to step up in the pocket and let Miller run himself run out of the play.

McCoy isn't even very good at it compared to Rodgers, Brady, Brees. The only QB that's going to stand still to get smacked like college QB's do is Roethlinsberger, and I'm not even sure Miller at 240 would be able to bring Big Ben down consistently.

 

[Stout]

I can see that as well, could go as high as the Bills who are desperate for a 4-3 OLB that can rush to make up for the mistake that is Aaron Maybin.

And do you know why they need someone to replace their 1st-round pick Aaron Maybin? *hate to say this about a Penn State alumn* He was a slight-framed speed rusher in college with one move.

I'll pass on Miller.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And do you know why they need someone to replace their 1st-round pick Aaron Maybin? *hate to say this about a Penn State alumn* He was a slight-framed speed rusher in college with one move.

I'll pass on Miller.

Maybin was also a red shirt sophomore with 10 career starts as DE in college. Miller is a senior OLB. I wouldn't give up on Maybin yet either. He was young and transitioning to a new positiion. It takes time.

 

[Cards Czar]

Here is a good site that has info on each day and who looked good or bad. Pretty good info.

http://www.nfldraft101.com/

 

[Duckjake]

Here is a good site that has info on each day and who looked good or bad. Pretty good info.

http://www.nfldraft101.com/

Thanks for the link. In looking for information like that I was surprised to see NFL teams that had somebody blogging on the Senior Bowl for them. I know Miami and Denver did.

Didn't somebody from ASFN go to the SrBowl one year and report on here?

Interesting to see the differences in opinions on several of the players.

Tough to really read anything into these blogs though. I can just see a player get beat once in a one on one drill and his draft stock drop 2 rounds.

 

[juza76]

Another thing you have to remember is that NFL quarterbacks have NFL pocket awareness and rush avoidance. If there's one thing you'll notice in that Texas vs. Texas AandM video it's that Miller was taking the same angles he usually takes. Colt McCoy just had the pocket prescence to step up in the pocket and let Miller run himself run out of the play.

McCoy isn't even very good at it compared to Rodgers, Brady, Brees. The only QB that's going to stand still to get smacked like college QB's do is Roethlinsberger, and I'm not even sure Miller at 240 would be able to bring Big Ben down consistently.

he just need to gain 10 lb.anyway gain weight doesnt mean gain strenght. patrick willis is 240 and i think he can bring down also levi brown

 

[Duckjake]

Haggans still has good change of direction and can drop back into coverage. Beal, not so much.

Odd then that Stoops would be quoted as saying Beal's ability to drop back into coverage was instrumental in the Sooners' win over Oklahoma State.

It was that quote and Beal's number of pdf's last season and that JB had played a lot standing up, that got me interested in him in the first place.

 

[ARodg]

he just need to gain 10 lb.anyway gain weight doesnt mean gain strenght. patrick willis is 240 and i think he can bring down also levi brown

That's what I find so frustrating about Miller. There's no way to judge how strong he is because he doesn't use any moves. Some of the vids I've watched of him, he's getting pushed around by TE's against the run.

 

[Mitch]

That's what I find so frustrating about Miller. There's no way to judge how strong he is because he doesn't use any moves. Some of the vids I've watched of him, he's getting pushed around by TE's against the run.

Good notes, ARodg.

Yup. Lightning fast off the edge...but gets steered far too wide of the pocket, far too frequently. Gets tossed around at times. But, that speed is electric.

This is one of the reason why I like Justin Houston better for the Cardinals. Houston explodes off the ball and has the strength to carve a sharper and more direct route to the QB. Plus, Houston is much better at shedding blocks and holding his ground at the point of attack.

 

[juza76]

That's what I find so frustrating about Miller. There's no way to judge how strong he is because he doesn't use any moves. Some of the vids I've watched of him, he's getting pushed around by TE's against the run.

the analysis of mayock are different from yours..probably you should take his place in nfl network

 

[joeshmo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCIL393_qiQ

Key in on #40

Dude gets dominated. Has nothing more than a speed rush to the outside. If the tackle gets his hand on him, he's finished.

If Von Miller tries to play like this in the NFL, even average NFL tackles will easily dominate him. IMO he's going to be a bust. That's my fearless prediction of this draft.

15 snaps from 2009 is all you need to know about the guy?

 

[ARodg]

Good notes, ARodg.

Yup. Lightning fast off the edge...but gets steered far too wide of the pocket, far too frequently. Gets tossed around at times. But, that speed is electric.

This is one of the reason why I like Justin Houston better for the Cardinals. Houston explodes off the ball and has the strength to carve a sharper and more direct route to the QB. Plus, Houston is much better at shedding blocks and holding his ground at the point of attack.

Yep I'm really high on Houston. He's not as quick off the ball, but he's stronger and has some excellent pass rushing moves. He uses his hands really well (No homo)

 

[joeshmo]

And do you know why they need someone to replace their 1st-round pick Aaron Maybin? *hate to say this about a Penn State alumn* He was a slight-framed speed rusher in college with one move.

I'll pass on Miller.

Maybin hasnt worked becuase he is a pansy with one move and didnt know how to play standing up. Miller is not afraid to mix it up, has more then one move(added a great inside spin move this past season is one), and has played standing up two straight years already. Even in the video posted, not even from this season I might add, showed Miller mix it up with a few bull rushes, insides stunts, and a few short yardage plays.