Day 2 Senior Bowl thoughts

[Cbus cardsfan]

From watching on NFLN, here what I thought and I'll post walterfootabll updates.

The kid from UCLA, Datone Moore, has been the best player. He's abused every OL he's faced, including Fisher. His first step has been incredible and he's by guys before they know it.

The best DB has been Poyer from Oregon St.

Denard Robinson finally saw some action and made the DB's look bad on a few occasions.

No QB's from either side have stood out. Landry Jones has probably been the best. Wilson made a couple of ugly throws but was decent overall.

The center from Cal, I cant remember his name Schwenke, or something like that, was very good. I remember commenting on him after watching them play OSU early this year. He'e very good.

Margus Hunt looks overmatched and has done nothing. John Simon wasn't noticed.

Quessenberry, the OL from San Jose St, looked good again.

A possibe run thumper at SILB is the kid Williams from FSU. He had a couple slobberknockers.

The game will be inetresting because it looks the North has very good CB's while the South has the better WR's.

Here's the report from Walterfootbal:
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2013practice4.php
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2013practice3.php

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

A couple other thought's. Larry Warford looked very good. If the Cards go another direction at #7(pass on Warmack), I would target Warford later on.

The OT from Virginia, Odushi, or something like that, is not any good.

Kawan Short, from Purdue, was good also. He was relentless.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Thanks for the input. Will make the game much more interesting looking for these players and knowing about them up front.

 

[az jam]

Tuesday Qb updates from Scot Wright Draftcountdown.com

NORTH PRACTICE

• North Carolina St. QB Mike Glennon appears to be the best quarterback in Mobile this year by a fair margin. At least so far. That’s not to say Glennon has been perfect at all times but the positives have outweighed the negatives and he is an easy guy to fall in love with due to that size and effortless arm strength.

• If Glennon is the best quarterback at the 2013 Senior Bowl then Ryan Nassib of Syracuse might be second. Nassib, who spins a pretty ball and can make all of the throws, had some good moments and some bad as well but he was more consistent than Dysert or anyone on the South. But is that enough to get Nassib into Round 1?

• Miami (OH) QB Zac Dysert showed some flashes but was pretty inconsistent most of the day. The physical tools are there but Dysert struggled with his accuracy at times, especially further down the field. On a positive note Dysert did make one terrific play while on the move, which showcases his sneaky athleticism.

SOUTH PRACTICE

• Oklahoma QB Landry Jones had a mediocre day. He could not throw an accurate out route during the WR drills. The QB coach pulled him aside as well to work on his throwing stance and lessen the distance between his feet but he did not seem to adapt much to this. Had a fumbled exchange with Dalton Freeman at one point as well. Arm strength looked solid but was all over the place in terms of accuracy

• Florida State QB E.J. Manuel had an okay day. He was still slinging the ball at 110% but was a bit more accurate. Overthrew an out route but came back and hit it the next play. Was still never quite on hitting the players where needed to. For example, Manuel aired a 9 route to Cobi Hamilton that had no chance. Looked athletic however and excelled on rollouts

• Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson was the best signal caller of the day. He had some wobbly balls in early drills but did excellent in 11-on-11s. Went for a stretch where he did not miss a pass. Footwork looked improved from yesterday and planted much better. Threw a nice 9 route that was almost caught but overthrew Terrence Williams on a 9 route right after. Had a beautiful In route pass to Quinton Patton while under pressure. Still lacked zip on his passes, but had a better day.

 

[WildBB]

QB's - Wilson and Glennon have looked better than the rest. Wilson commands huddles better and has good vision and progressions are there. Glennon throws with ease and zip. He usually needs a clean pocket. He'll go in the 2nd, imo. Wilson in the 1st, mtl.

RB's- Barner is showing pretty good. Showed that he's working on pass pro and taking it between the tackles.

WR's- Kid from Louisiana Tech Quinton Patton got all the scouts talking about him. Goodwin from Texas has speed to burn and looking pretty good. Marcus Wheaton from Oregon St. very impressive, fast great hands.

OL- Fisher dominating at this point. OG from Illinois pasting some DLmen.

Datone Jones and Kwan Short igreat prospects along the DL. Prob not options for us with all kinds of offensive needs needing addressed in the 2nd. Trade down option - again?

 

[az jam]

Tuesday QB South Update from GBN


TYLER WILSON/QB/Arkansas again looked to be their top overall QB today. AT one point during 7-on-7 he threw a perfect spiral to the sideline 55-yards downfield. It was over thrown by a couple of yards, but the throw itself was a work of art.

North QB Update from GBN

Focused a lot on NC State QB Mike Glennon today. He is almost painfully long and lean, but shows a lot of what one needs to be in an NFL pocket passer. Certainly he seems to have the best tools of the passers in Mobile. Glennon has nice touch on his throws and adjusts to the situations of his receivers nicely. He is obviously smart both on and off the field. He also has a fairly quick delivery for a man with such long arms. His feet move properly in his drops. And NFL teams aren’t ever likely to have to worry about his off-field exploits. The issue for Glennon is consistency as he’ll mix in a head-scratching throw 5 yards over the head of a wide-open receiver after hitting on a series of darts.

 

[football karma]

Tuesday QB South Update from GBN


TYLER WILSON/QB/Arkansas again looked to be their top overall QB today. AT one point during 7-on-7 he threw a perfect spiral to the sideline 55-yards downfield. It was over thrown by a couple of yards, but the throw itself was a work of art.

North QB Update from GBN

The issue for Glennon is consistency as he’ll mix in a head-scratching throw 5 yards over the head of a wide-open receiver after hitting on a series of darts.

okay

they both sound like John Skelton, part deaux

 

[Doc Cardinal]

I like Wilson.....but at pick #7?

He'll be gone by round 2.

 

[Chopper0080]

A couple other thought's. Larry Warford looked very good. If the Cards go another direction at #7(pass on Warmack), I would target Warford later on.

The OT from Virginia, Odushi, or something like that, is not any good.

Kawan Short, from Purdue, was good also. He was relentless.

Larry Warford and Brian Winters are both possible 2nd and 3rd rounders (respectively) who could be options if we decide to trade back and take QB or take an edge rusher at the top of the draft. Also keep an ear out for David Quessenberry (Cbus mentioned) and Terron Armstead (who blew up the East/West game) as mid round OT/OG swing players who the Cards could look at bringing in.

The more I watch Ryan Nassib, the more I think he looks like an Arians type QB. Stands tall, smooth delivery, and has power behind his throws.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Larry Warford and Brian Winters are both possible 2nd and 3rd rounders (respectively) who could be options if we decide to trade back and take QB or take an edge rusher at the top of the draft. Also keep an ear out for David Quessenberry (Cbus mentioned) and Terron Armstead (who blew up the East/West game) as mid round OT/OG swing players who the Cards could look at bringing in.

The more I watch Ryan Nassib, the more I think he looks like an Arians type QB. Stands tall, smooth delivery, and has power behind his throws.[/QUOTE]

Buffalo could very well have an interest.

 

[Chopper0080]

I like Wilson.....but at pick #7?

He'll be gone by round 2.

Possibly. It is too early to tell as all of these QBs (Glennon, G Smith, Matt Barkley, R Nassib, Tyler Wilson, Landry Jones, Tyler Bray and Zac Dysert) are all grouped together. Any one could jump to the top of the list by the end of this process.

 

[Chopper0080]

Larry Warford and Brian Winters are both possible 2nd and 3rd rounders (respectively) who could be options if we decide to trade back and take QB or take an edge rusher at the top of the draft. Also keep an ear out for David Quessenberry (Cbus mentioned) and Terron Armstead (who blew up the East/West game) as mid round OT/OG swing players who the Cards could look at bringing in.

The more I watch Ryan Nassib, the more I think he looks like an Arians type QB. Stands tall, smooth delivery, and has power behind his throws.[/QUOTE]

Buffalo could very well have an interest.

I agree but I think many others will as well. We may end up taking Nassib at #7 by the end of this process.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I agree but I think many others will as well. We may end up taking Nassib at #7 by the end of this process.

Doesn't strike me as that good.

 

[kerouac9]

I agree but I think many others will as well. We may end up taking Nassib at #7 by the end of this process.

Ugh. I certainly hope not. Nassib is an interesting prospect, but what exceptional skill set does he have? For the linemen in the early going, you can identify at least one thing that they do really, really well.

Drafting Nassib in the Top 10 would be like drafting Christian Ponder in the Top 15 two years ago.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ugh. I certainly hope not. Nassib is an interesting prospect, but what exceptional skill set does he have? For the linemen in the early going, you can identify at least one thing that they do really, really well.

Drafting Nassib in the Top 10 would be like drafting Christian Ponder in the Top 15 two years ago.

Which is why I could see it happening. I don't like any QB enough to use anything more than our 2nd rounder at this point, but I could see Arians identifying one he likes the most, and Keim making acquiring that guy the priority. Hopefully we would trade back for a guy like Nassib, but if he is the guy your offensive minded/QB developing head coach wants, I can't fault the Cardinals for getting him.

On Nassib, I see some Tom Brady in him. He shows confidence, stands tall, and drives the football despite reports of an average arm. Watch his videos/review your draft sites when you get a chance and tell me what you think. In the end, I think he may grow on you. Similar in a lot of ways to Tyler Wilson who we both like, but has been able to stay cleaner in the pocket over his college career.

 

[kerouac9]

Which is why I could see it happening. I don't like any QB enough to use anything more than our 2nd rounder at this point, but I could see Arians identifying one he likes the most, and Keim making acquiring that guy the priority. Hopefully we would trade back for a guy like Nassib, but if he is the guy your offensive minded/QB developing head coach wants, I can't fault the Cardinals for getting him.

On Nassib, I see some Tom Brady in him. He shows confidence, stands tall, and drives the football despite reports of an average arm. Watch his videos/review your draft sites when you get a chance and tell me what you think. In the end, I think he may grow on you. Similar in a lot of ways to Tyler Wilson who we both like, but has been able to stay cleaner in the pocket over his college career.

That goes against everything that I've been lead to believe about Steve Keim's draft philosophy. He's supposedly married to drafting straight BPA, and going right with your board (this from Jurecki). If that were the case, the Cards might trade up for a guy that they like (like they did with Daryl Washington), but I don't see them vaulting an inferior prospect over clearly more qualified players because someone likes 'em.

I blame the previous coaching staff for Levi Brown, Ryan Williams, and a couple of other people because I think they fell in love with an individual prospect and overrated him to ensure that we'd get him. I hope that doesn't carry over.

I'll look at some cut-ups of Nassib. All I've really seen of him was the bowl game vs. WVU, and he reminded me of early-period Tom Brady. But I wouldn't use the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft on early-period Tom Brady, either.

 

[Catfish]

Thank you Cbus. Your comments are well taken, and the Walter report seems very thorough. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

 

[Chopper0080]

That goes against everything that I've been lead to believe about Steve Keim's draft philosophy. He's supposedly married to drafting straight BPA, and going right with your board (this from Jurecki). If that were the case, the Cards might trade up for a guy that they like (like they did with Daryl Washington), but I don't see them vaulting an inferior prospect over clearly more qualified players because someone likes 'em.

I blame the previous coaching staff for Levi Brown, Ryan Williams, and a couple of other people because I think they fell in love with an individual prospect and overrated him to ensure that we'd get him. I hope that doesn't carry over.

I'll look at some cut-ups of Nassib. All I've really seen of him was the bowl game vs. WVU, and he reminded me of early-period Tom Brady. But I wouldn't use the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft on early-period Tom Brady, either.

Hopefully you are correct and Keim would rather trade up from the 2nd round than grab a QB at #7, but we will see. Keep in mind in the West VA bowl game was terribly windy and had some snow which made Nassib's performance more impressive IMO. He played the game he needed to in order to give his team the best chance to win. I also really liked that during his Soph & Jr years he was sacked 60 times in 773 attempts and only threw 17 total ints. Also, he showed development in his senior year when he increased his YPA from 6.47 to 7.96, threw the ball a career high 471 times and was only sacked 16 times, 13 less than he was sacked in Jr. year. Also had career highs in yards (3749), comp % (62.4%), and had a 26/10 td - int ratio.

Stats don't tell it all, but there is a lot to like about this kid.

 

[az jam]

Possibly. It is too early to tell as all of these QBs (Glennon, G Smith, Matt Barkley, R Nassib, Tyler Wilson, Landry Jones, Tyler Bray and Zac Dysert) are all grouped together. Any one could jump to the top of the list by the end of this process.

Totally agree, hard to really sort out at this point. There is not a single one that I really feel the Cards should go after with their #7 pick. However, many would be decent 2nd round picks.

 

[jf-08]

Totally agree, hard to really sort out at this point. There is not a single one that I really feel the Cards should go after with their #7 pick. However, many would be decent 2nd round picks.

I agree. We can possibly land Landry Jones or Nassib in the 2nd. I would be okay with that.

 

[CFLredzoned]

I watched some of the NFL Network coverage yesterday. Two things that stood out to my untrained eye:

I was really impressed with Quessenberry in the one on one drills. The guy was impenetrable.

I was watching the long route drills. They didn't show the QBs, but I watched five passes in a row that were horribly overthrown to the endzone. They mentioned Tyler Wilson's name. So maybe the first two were him? I think they rotate after that though? I'm not sure. But either way, it was discouraging to see those 5 overthrows right in succession. These weren't even close.

 

[Cruzmo]

Please no QB at #7, no one worth that high of a pick. Take a stud for O Line, and then look at a QB in second round. I have a feeling, the rest of our picks will be a combination of BPA/NEED. Lots of holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

 

[Totally_Red]

Please no QB at #7, no one worth that high of a pick. Take a stud for O Line, and then look at a QB in second round. I have a feeling, the rest of our picks will be a combination of BPA/NEED. Lots of holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

Agree 100%. I'd settle on 2 or 3 quarterbacks that you really like and don't fall in love with ONE guy. Chances are one of the guys you like will be there at #38 overall and you grab him like Cincy did with Andy Dalton a couple years ago. It's important not to panic and trade up out of desperation to nab one guy that you've fallen in love with IMO. I'll be extremely upset if we draft a quarterback at #7 overall.

 

[Chopper0080]

Agree 100%. I'd settle on 2 or 3 quarterbacks that you really like and don't fall in love with ONE guy. Chances are one of the guys you like will be there at #38 overall and you grab him like Cincy did with Andy Dalton a couple years ago. It's important not to panic and trade up out of desperation to nab one guy that you've fallen in love with IMO. I'll be extremely upset if we draft a quarterback at #7 overall.

Waiting for your "guy," especially regarding QBs, is a great way to get left holding the bag. It is the most important position on the field and you generally need to be agressive in getting the one you want. MIght not mean using the #7 pick, but it could mean either trading back in round 1 or trading up from round 2.

 

[Gottalean]

If Geno is there you take him at 7. If not Nassib in the second or Manuel or Landry in the third