DBacks acquire Trumbo in 3 team deal

[Chris_Sanders]

But Davidson wasnt up until the end of the year. He was talking about our projected lineup pre-trade.

It is just useless extra supposition. Nothing from the organization has made it seem like Prado was anything other than our regular 3rd baseman.

Some media hack filling in our lineup card in December and then when reality doesn't match it saying it will "Ripple through the organization" is either:

A) Lazy
B) Sensationalism

I don't have a lot of use for either.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Of course ESPN is the same organization that said that Goldschmidt would suck in the major leagues as well. I wish I would have book marked that opinion piece.

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont think it takes a ton of foresight to think that if the Dbacks had not done this trade that Prado would likely see a lot of time in the OF and that Davidson would be the regular third baseman in lieu of Prado. Just as the situation was at the end of last season.

To call it "sensationalism" for the article to question where this leaves Davidson, a promising young hitter, seems more sensationalized than anything in the actual article. You wanna call it "speculation", that seems fair, but its baseball writers jobs to be speculative.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I dont think it takes a ton of foresight to think that if the Dbacks had not done this trade that Prado would likely see a lot of time in the OF and that Davidson would be the regular third baseman in lieu of Prado. Just as the situation was at the end of last season.

To call it "sensationalism" for the article to question where this leaves Davidson, a promising young hitter, seems more sensationalized than anything in the actual article. You wanna call it "speculation", that seems fair, but its baseball writers jobs to be speculative.

Wrong... A need for the Dbacks was to pick up a power corner outfielder. Trading Eaton left Parra in right and Pollack in center. Which means Prado was not going to be our starting left fielder.



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[TJ]

Eaton was expendable and Skaggs was showing signs of regression and predictability.

I'm concerned with Trumbo's high rate of strikeouts, but at the end of the day, we have another 30/100 guy.

Screw gritty players. Just hit the damn ball over the fence.

 

[overseascardfan]

Only one

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/1...am-trade-chicago-white-sox-los-angeles-angels

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/...culation&utm_term=MLBArizona DiamondbacksGrid

This article mentions 2 and actually gives the names. Brandon Jacobs & AJ Shugel.

 

[BC867]

Screw gritty players. Just hit the damn ball over the fence.

30 times in 500 at-bats? With a horrible batting average and on-base percent?

While Goldy doesn't see a good pitch to hit in 500 at-bats?

"Just hit the ball over the fence" results in a massive amount of non-productive at-bats -- popups and strikeouts.

And spreads throughout the lineup.

The D'backs made a commitment to get away from that by trading batters like Chris Young and Mark Reynolds.

This is a step back. To borrow your phrase, screw that!

 

[PDXChris]

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/...culation&utm_term=MLBArizona DiamondbacksGrid

This article mentions 2 and actually gives the names. Brandon Jacobs & AJ Shugel.

Only one rule 5 player, he stated two and since he nitpicked stats, I corrected him.

 

[Lefty]

http://mlb.si.com/2013/12/10/mark-trumbo-diamondbacks-white-sox-angels/

I am afraid to see what Towers does next. Teams are probably calling him all day trying to make a deal knowing they will get the best of the trade.

 

[Phrazbit]

http://mlb.si.com/2013/12/10/mark-trumbo-diamondbacks-white-sox-angels/

I am afraid to see what Towers does next. Teams are probably calling him all day trying to make a deal knowing they will get the best of the trade.

Keith Law, Jay Jaffe... all haters. They just have a bias against KT and hate his moves no matter how much sense it makes to bring in guys with no position who cant get on base.

 

[Bert]

Bullpen still sucks.

I'm sorry but all of this is just scenery like fixing up the body of an old car that has a cracked engine block. It looks better but it's still going nowhere.

This guy might work out ok I dont know that much about him I dont recall watching a single Angels game last year so I wont pretend to be an expert. Still, I'll get excited if/when we get some pitching and we actually have a closer.

 

[TJ]

30 times in 500 at-bats? With a horrible batting average and on-base percent?

While Goldy doesn't see a good pitch to hit in 500 at-bats?

"Just hit the ball over the fence" results in a massive amount of non-productive at-bats -- popups and strikeouts.

And spreads throughout the lineup.

The D'backs made a commitment to get away from that by trading batters like Chris Young and Mark Reynolds.

This is a step back. To borrow your phrase, screw that!

And that commitment has led to 2 consecutive .500 seasons while being a middle-of-the-road offensive team. And last season, we were 26th in HRs (playing in a hitter's park, mind you). Gritty ball can only take a team so far.

We have our token all-around hitter in Goldy, but no one to protect him. Hill is too injury prone and Montero is too streaky. Trumbo is only one of 11 players last year to go 30/100 last season. No, his OBP isn't desirable, but to get his power numbers plus a high AVG would be shooting for Miguel Cabrera. Unrealistic.

Additionally, unlike other three team trades, we got the biggest name of the bunch (along with two prospects). Usually, we're the ones giving up the marque name or chipping in to help a trade go through with two others. Helps with productivity and recognition. As Chris said, the D-Backs, if anything, got more national attention and moved the meter for the fans.

I'm not in love with the trade, but I understand it fills a need. As much as it hurts fans to admit, Eaton and Skaggs were expendable pieces.

The D-Backs had two needs coming into the offseason: a power outfielder and a steady reliever. This trade fills one of those needs.

 

[BC867]

The D-Backs had two needs coming into the offseason: a power outfielder and a steady reliever. This trade fills one of those needs.

Our need was a power outfielder who could give protection to Goldy's getting pitched around (as did Eric Chavez when he could play), regardless of his stats, good or bad, home or away.

Time will tell if a right-handed hitting, all-or-nothing, poor fielding outfielder (playing out of position) can accomplish that major need and add more to the team than he takes away.

I hope so, but I am afraid that Trumbo is not the guy to make it happen.

 

[82CardsGrad]

And that commitment has led to 2 consecutive .500 seasons while being a middle-of-the-road offensive team. And last season, we were 26th in HRs (playing in a hitter's park, mind you). Gritty ball can only take a team so far.

We have our token all-around hitter in Goldy, but no one to protect him. Hill is too injury prone and Montero is too streaky. Trumbo is only one of 11 players last year to go 30/100 last season. No, his OBP isn't desirable, but to get his power numbers plus a high AVG would be shooting for Miguel Cabrera. Unrealistic.

Additionally, unlike other three team trades, we got the biggest name of the bunch (along with two prospects). Usually, we're the ones giving up the marque name or chipping in to help a trade go through with two others. Helps with productivity and recognition. As Chris said, the D-Backs, if anything, got more national attention and moved the meter for the fans.

I'm not in love with the trade, but I understand it fills a need. As much as it hurts fans to admit, Eaton and Skaggs were expendable pieces.

The D-Backs had two needs coming into the offseason: a power outfielder and a steady reliever. This trade fills one of those needs.

Bingo. I too will not proclaim that Trumbo will be the next triple crown winner. But in relation to what we gave up versus what we received, I'm totally fine...


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[JS22]

Not even close

Renyolds averages 190 K's and hits with a career average of .218 while Trumbo averages 116 K's (less than Upton) with a .250 average. He scores run and he hits doubles and he is moving to a hitters friendly ball park, so all of his number will impove. Oh and his walk percentage has gotten better every year.

Again, he is a classic power hitter with still some upside. The more and more I think about it with Prado, Goldschmidt, Trumbo and Hill at the 2, 3, 4 and 5 that should be dangerous. No more Miggy hitting 4th or 5th!!!

I'm kind of in the same boat. Maybe a little more apprehensive. But I can see how this could work very well, especially if Montero returns to form. That is a TON of power at 3, 4, and 5.

 

[JS22]

Prado at LF? God can these guys at least do some research before they talk about Az teams.

He played 113 games at 3B and 30 at OF. Gee Keith where do you think he was playing next year?

This is the guy who hated Goldschmidt and still can't admit that he was wrong.

 

[PDXChris]

This is the guy who hated Goldschmidt and still can't admit that he was wrong.

Technically he said Goldschmidt has a slow bat and watching him hit the ball 5 billion feet, it looks slow to me too, so he was not too far off.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

If the staff tinkers with Trumbo's approach to batters, he easily can up his OBP from around .300 to around .330. If he has a .330 OBP and hits 30-40 homers a year, and drives in 100 RBIs, the juice was worth the squeeze in this deal. And before anyone questions the viability of this happening, a few seasons ago, Chris Davis had a .279 line... Not a .279 batting average.. A .279 OBP. If he can go from that to .370 in a span of a few seasons, it isn't far fetched to think Trumbo can go from around .300 to .330.

 

[82CardsGrad]

If the staff tinkers with Trumbo's approach to batters, he easily can up his OBP from around .300 to around .330. If he has a .330 OBP and hits 30-40 homers a year, and drives in 100 RBIs, the juice was worth the squeeze in this deal. And before anyone questions the viability of this happening, a few seasons ago, Chris Davis had a .279 line... Not a .279 batting average.. A .279 OBP. If he can go from that to .370 in a span of a few seasons, it isn't far fetched to think Trumbo can go from around .300 to .330.

All reports on Trumbo are that he is an extremely talented athlete... Raw, but the talent level is there. He's known as a great character guy, great team guy who gives 100% in everything he does. If he can receive and digest the proper coaching, allowing him to become more patient and selective at the plate, as well as becoming marginally better versus lefties, he can be an incredible offensive threat...of course, there have been many, many talented kids with raw ability who never were able to make the next step in their development... Let's hope Trumbo can...




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[Brian]

Our need was a power outfielder who could give protection to Goldy's getting pitched around (as did Eric Chavez when he could play), regardless of his stats, good or bad, home or away.

Time will tell if a right-handed hitting, all-or-nothing, poor fielding outfielder (playing out of position) can accomplish that major need and add more to the team than he takes away.

I hope so, but I am afraid that Trumbo is not the guy to make it happen.

I think our need was more production from LF, not necessarily protection for Goldy.

Look, without this so called protection, Goldy was the best hitter in the NL last year. To say he was constantly pitched around is a bit mis-leading, isn't it?

We got jack squat from left field last year, mostly due to Kubel's bad year and mediocre from Ross.

I'm not defending KT but I haven't heard him say going into the winter meetings that he wanted to get protection for Goldy, I heard him say he wanted to get a power bat for the outfield, and that's what he got.

Whether or not that is what this team needs remains to be seen.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Interesting.

A piece of information not known to us message board GM's

Also could have been planted in local media by the team to justify trade. Happens all the time, the whole "we didn't want him anyways" routine. I don't know one way or the other on Spanky but his schtick for sure wasn't making any friends in opposing dugouts. I guess we'll never know.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

And that commitment has led to 2 consecutive .500 seasons while being a middle-of-the-road offensive team. And last season, we were 26th in HRs (playing in a hitter's park, mind you). Gritty ball can only take a team so far.

We were 5th in the NL in runs scored in 2012. Our pitching was the issue last season.

 

[WildBB]

Pollack will be better in the long run.

Me thinks he is already.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I understand why a lot of people have a problem with this trade. The biggest thing is that people feel as though the Dbacks gave away more overall value than they got back and that is probably true, but there are a couple positives to this trade. First of all Trumbo is the best player in this trade (better than either of the players the Dbacks traded). He gives us a much needed power bat and even though his average and OBP need work at least his average isn't all that bad. I would expect his numbers to improve in chase field and I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a better player just from getting more experience over the next couple years.

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[BC867]

I think our need was more production from LF, not necessarily protection for Goldy.

Call him protection for Goldy not being pitched around or call him our cleanup hitter.

Now that we have him, I hope he comes through, regardless of what position he plays. Eric Chavez did it from 3B playing sporadically last season.