DBacks and Doyers Series Thread, For what it is worth.

[AZ Native]

We have their number...

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[TheHopToad]

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[crisper57]

It is worth crap

 

[Lefty]

So how much money did Towers waste on McCarthy?

 

[JS22]

Towers needs to be fired and the Dbacks need to bring in someone who wants to build from within. The farm system sucks now, as do many of the overpriced players that Towers has brought in.

Unfortunately Gibson is going to be first to take the fall IMO.

 

[Phrazbit]

If I'd known that on top of all the success we had with the 2011 roster, that we'd also expand the payroll by like 50 million dollars over the next few years I would have imagined a dynasty in the making.

All that money and it yielded some iffy relievers, three back end of the rotation pitchers who were predictably bad signings, a third baseman with a career .770 OPS, and an outfield version of Mark Reynolds. Guys that are not only mediocre (or worse), but also cost us a ton of young talent to acquire on top of their ugly salaries.

Oh, and lets not forget Cody Ross and his laughable 3 year 26 million dollar contract. Not even Yankees and the Dodgers give that kind of money to superfluous 4th outfielders.

 

[Broseph]

Fire Towers

 

[AZ Native]

Did you see the called strike 3 on Prado? ??????? talks. B.S.

 

[UncleChris]

Just in case anyone forgot..... we suck.

 

[thirty-two]

Cahill walking everyone today. Dodgers stealing bases at will. Adrian Gonzalez with a 3 run knock after Cahill walked the first 2.

Yuck.

 

[BC867]

Chahill charged with 7 runs (6 earned) with 5 hits and 5 walks in 4+ innings vs. the Dodgers.

I think the thing that kept him in the rotation over Delgado is that Delgado's ERA is even higher than Cahill's. To coin a phrase from the ASFN Suns board today . . . the best of the worst. So far, that title belongs to Wade Miley, too.

Hmmm, Dee Gordon just stole his 4th base of the day. This time, he stole it on the 2B and SS before Delgado even started his set windup.

The announcers just blamed it on lack of focus. Now, if that is not a reflection on the Manager, I don't know what is! Gibson is providing very little inspiration to this team. He needs to go!

 

[Phrazbit]

Trumbo has come back to his typical career form.

 

[Phrazbit]

Chahill charged with 7 runs (6 earned) with 5 hits and 5 walks in 4+ innings vs. the Dodgers.

I think the thing that kept him in the rotation over Delgado is that Delgado's ERA is even higher than Cahill's. To coin a phrase from the ASFN Suns board today . . . the best of the worst. So far, that title belongs to Wade Miley, too.

Hmmm, Dee Gordon just stole his 4th base of the day. This time, he stole it on the 2B and SS before Delgado even started his set windup.

The announcers just blamed it on lack of focus. Now, if that is not a reflection on the Manager, I don't know what is! Gibson is providing very little inspiration to this team. He needs to go!

I'm not crazy about Gibby and I wont mourn his departure, but he is not the reason this team sucks. Its a trash pitching staff and a roster with sparse legit hitters.

Nothing will get fixed until Towers gets fired.

 

[BC867]

Trumbo has come back to his typical career form.

Yup, Kevin Towers needs to go, too.

 

[BC867]

I'm not crazy about Gibby and I wont mourn his departure, but he is not the reason this team sucks. Its a trash pitching staff and a roster with sparse legit hitters.

Nothing will get fixed until Towers gets fired.

I believe it is both, one as much as the other. A few minutes ago, they showed a clip of Gibson talking about Cahill.

His mumbling monotone when talking about the negatives, rather than the positive aspect of Collmenter in taking his place, is devoid of inspiration.

Inspiring the players, the Press and the fans, is a key responsibility of the Manager. Kirk Gibson, despite all of his fire as a player, has not inspired anyone. He just doesn't have the demeanor for it.

 

[UncleChris]

Gibson seems to be a different human being, absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, like the fire he showed as a player. The only reason I liked Gibson as manager in the first place was because of that fire I saw in his playing days. It's like somewhere, someone put a tube in his head and sucked all that energy out.

Based on that, methinks both he and Towers need to go... the sooner the better.

 

[AZ Native]

I know it was Haren but....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-out-dan-haren-at-first-base-from-right-field

 

[devilalum]

Based on the talent they have this team is not THIS bad.
They need a managerial enema.

 

[Lefty]

Based on the talent they have this team is not THIS bad.
They need a managerial enema.

Disagree. The pitching is atrocious and the hitting is too inconsistent. They leave too many runners on base.

 

[Phrazbit]

Based on the talent they have this team is not THIS bad.
They need a managerial enema.

I dont know. None of these pitches are better than a below average #3 starter, a few are clearly worse.

The offense IS producing (we're tied for 4th in the NL in runs), and I think probably better than they will over the course of the season. Goldy, Hill and Miggy (but only because of the low bar for catchers) are the only hitters that I think can be expected to produce better than their positional averages.

I think managers in baseball are of little consequence, and Gibby is not a particularly good one, not an awful one, he is simply the guy at the helm of a severely flawed roster.

 

[BC867]

I think managers in baseball are of little consequence, and Gibby is not a particularly good one, not an awful one, he is simply the guy at the helm of a severely flawed roster.

The answer to that philosophy can be found right here in the Valley.

Jeff Hornacek is "at the helm of a severly flawed roster" (his 3 best players are Guards), but he has provided the leadership to far exceed expectations.

Since when is the Manager of any business of little consequence? Whether it leads a staff of Carl's Jr. employees or sports entertainers?

Gibby is lacking in managerial skills. Both in providing inspiration to his players (which Hornacek does) and to the Press and fans (as he is supposed to after every game).

His public relations skills are non-existent and that usually indicates the same to his players. Who said so? Kirk Gibson!!! When he said, just recently, that he would try to do a better job of communicating.

As I posted recently, his mumbling monotone to the Press after the games has not changed at all.

 

[Azlen]

Maybe they should bring Nagy back. The pitching staff has been nothing short of atrocious. Harkey is just not cutting it.

 

[BC867]

Maybe they should bring Nagy back. The pitching staff has been nothing short of atrocious. Harkey is just not cutting it.

The D-backs hired the best-of-them-all, Dave Duncan, to oversee the pitching operation.

That makes this even more puzzling? Why haven't we heard anything about him lately? Has he thrown up his hands and walked away?

Brenly jokingly asked when Roger Craig (the other best-of-them-all) visited the booth during the Giants series if he wanted to manage again. Roger one-upped him and said, "Do you?" BB didn't respond. At all!

Maybe Roger would take over the D-backs pitching operation for awhile.

Maybe Brenly would leave the booth for the hot seat again. Of course, he is the guy who started the 135 different batting orders each season, but I'm giving up fighting that.

As long as it wouldn't lead to Mark Grace going back behind the microphone. I don't think Steve Berthiaume would sink to his level as Sutton did.

 

[Phrazbit]

The answer to that philosophy can be found right here in the Valley.

Jeff Hornacek is "at the helm of a severly flawed roster" (his 3 best players are Guards), but he has provided the leadership to far exceed expectations.

Since when is the Manager of any business of little consequence? Whether it leads a staff of Carl's Jr. employees or sports entertainers?

Gibby is lacking in managerial skills. Both in providing inspiration to his players (which Hornacek does) and to the Press and fans (as he is supposed to after every game).

His public relations skills are non-existent and that usually indicates the same to his players. Who said so? Kirk Gibson!!! When he said, just recently, that he would try to do a better job of communicating.

As I posted recently, his mumbling monotone to the Press after the games has not changed at all.

I specifically said, I find mangers in baseball to be of little consequence, there is very little in common with the managers job in baseball compared to the amount of influcence a coach has in basketball. What is Gibson supposed to do? Draw up better plays? Call for a pick and roll? Work on ball movement? Change the team defense? Basketball is a totally different game than baseball. The job of the manager/coach it extremely different. Baseball is essentially a series of one on one matchups throughout a game. The Dbacks pitching staff is not talented enough to win these one on one matchups with hitters at an acceptable rate. They're getting smashed. Changing the manager is not going to fix the problem, that our pitching staff blows.

Do I find him inspiring? No. He is Mr. Mumbles. As I've said, I am no fan of Gibby, but to blame this mess or any large portion of it on the manager ignore that its a trash roster. No manager wins consistently with trash pitchers like these.

As I just pointed out, our offense is actually producing. The thing one could whine about most with a baseball manager is his lineups and ours has been producing. But when the pitchers blow there is not much Gibson or anyone can do about it.

Its a crap roster, the state of the organization and this team lays entirely at the feet of Towers and other execs who allowed him to drive the bus off the cliff.

 

[az jam]

Amazing, blame the manager for having the worst pitching staff in the majors. KT has ruined this team.