Dbacks given 72 hour window, these are the players involved in Johnson trade

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hmmmmm, I don't know much about Jackson or Gonzalez. I know Gonzalez is good defensive SS (despensable I guess) and Jackson is a pitcher.

WFAN also reported when the RJ trade rumors started that it was gonna be Stephen Drew for RJ. HA!

I guess I'd be for that trade but NYY better be throwin some money our way
 

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ESPN says:

"Arizona would send pitcher Luis Vizcaino to the Yankees along with minor league pitcher Ross Ohlendorf and shortstop Alberto Gonzalez, another baseball official said, also on condition of anonymity. The Yankees also might receive another minor league pitcher, the official said, and would pay between $1.5 million and $2 million of Johnson's $16 million salary this year."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2720413
 

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Wow, we won't have to give up either Nippert or Owings (assuming the other minor league pitcher is Steven Jackson)!!!!!!!

I don't know much about Ohlendorf or Jackson..... Do either have upside like Nippert or Owings?? It seems like Ohlendorf is a good prospect
 

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This would be a great trade. RJ gets to get his 300th win as a D'Back as well as creating a solid rotation that could have us competing in the NL West!

Vizcaino was a good reliever and Ohlendorf was a decent prospect. However, Ohlendorf really wouldn't be better than a back of the rotation starter or middle reliever. Gonzalez is much like a poor mans Alberto Callaspo or Alex Cintron (good bat control without much power but above-average defensively). Something interesting to follow will be the career of Steven Jackson. He is a 6-5 / 220 lb right-handed pitcher who throws a heavy sinker. I do not think that he will be anything more than an average pitcher but his sinker was compared to Webb's. Now, that was our own organization and they might have just been hyping him up. I believe this because Jackson never really struck out many people in college while Webb set the Kentucky strike-out record (which I think was recently broken). All-in-all, the organization did very well (apparently getting between $1.5-2 million) in this trade.

Here are the players stats for anyone interested:
__________Average__OBP__SLG___G___AB____HR____RBI___BB___K_____SB_____CS
SS Gonzalez: .287__.356___.392__133_449____6_____50____37___42____5______1

Name_______________W___L___ERA____IP_____HITS_____BB_____K
RHP Ross Olhendorf:___10__8___3.25____182.2__186______29_____129
RHP Steven Jackson:__8___11__2.65____149.2__131______45_____125

To note is that Olhendort pitched one game during the regular season in Triple-A and the rest was in Double-A with Jackson. Gonzalez was also promoted to Triple-A and batted .200 there for a few games.
 
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Great trade. Didn't have to give up Owings or Nippert. Now let's see if they can reduce his deferred money.
 

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KTAR 620 just reported the deal has been agreed upon in principle and the 72 hour negotiating window is officially open. The Dbacks agreed to trade Vizcaino, Alberto Gonzalez, and Ohlendorf. They said nothing of another minor league pitcher (Steven Jackson) being involved.
 
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ESPN News is reporting it as a done deal with a 72 hour window open
 

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I am suprisingly excited about this.
 

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Wow, we won't have to give up either Nippert or Owings (assuming the other minor league pitcher is Steven Jackson)!!!!!!!

I don't know much about Ohlendorf or Jackson..... Do either have upside like Nippert or Owings?? It seems like Ohlendorf is a good prospect

I saw Steven Jackson 3 or 4 times in the AFL. He is not good. The only reason he and Ohlendorf had what appear to be excellent seasons is the fact that they pitched in the Southern League. 7 out of 10 teams in the Southern League have an OPS below .700 and only one team has an ERA above 4. The rest of Jackson and Ohlendorf's track records suggest they are back of the rotation starters or middle relievers.
 
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I am suprisingly excited about this.

This is very exciting. We basically got RJ for Vizcaino who would have been gone after the 2007 season anyways. Ohlendorf and Jackson both aren't considered top prospects and Alberto Gonzalez will be locked out (Stephen Drew) for years to come.

If the reports are true, it looks like RJ will be here on a 2 year deal worth $24 million. I'd say that's very good market value, especially after this nightmarish offseason. This deal could get better if RJ agrees to restructure his deferred payments. If he agrees, it means we may not have to wait as long to start pursuing elite future free agents.

Another great trade for Byrnes! How he managed to hold onto both Nippert and Owings is amazing....... We can now use Nippert in a future trade or hope he will develop into our 5th starter.
 

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Yankees have tentative deal to send Unit to D-Backs

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2720413

Yankees have tentative deal to send Unit to D-BacksESPN.com news services



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NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees and Arizona Diamondbacks reached a tentative agreement Thursday on a trade that would send Randy Johnson to Arizona, a move that allows the Big Unit's agents to get him a contract extension.

The teams informed the commissioner's office of the specifics of the trade, a baseball official told the Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Arizona would send pitcher Luis Vizcaino to the Yankees along with minor league pitcher Ross Ohlendorf and shortstop Alberto Gonzalez, another baseball official said, also on condition of anonymity. The Yankees also might receive another minor league pitcher, the official said, and would pay between $1.5 million and $2 million of Johnson's $16 million salary this year.

A source told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark the unidentified minor league pitcher was Steven Jackson.

The Yankees also had discussed trading Johnson to San Diego.

Barry Meister, one of Johnson's agents, told ESPN's Steve Phillips that a 72-hour window has been granted by the commissioner's office, and it began at 4 p.m. ET on Thursday. Teams are granted the window to close tentative deals.

"When we have been granted that window, we would be willing to discuss everything with the Diamondbacks," said Alan Nero, who represents Johnson along with Meister, before the window was granted. "Once that window is open, we will do our best to work out a deal."

Newsday reported Thursday that Johnson had agreed in principle through "back-channel conversations" to a $10 million contract extension for 2008.

Arizona also might want to rework the slightly more than $44 million it must pay Johnson for 2007-12. Johnson pitched for the Diamondbacks from 1999-2004 and deferred parts of his salaries during those years.

In another move, first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz and the Yankees reached a preliminary agreement on a one-year contract worth about $1.5 million. Mientkiewicz, who spent 2005 with the crosstown Mets, must take a physical for the deal to be finalized.

Vizcaino, a 32-year-old right-hander, was 4-6 last season with 3.58 ERA in 70 games. He has a 25-23 career record with a 4.24 ERA in eight seasons, playing for Oakland, Milwaukee, the Chicago White Sox and Arizona.

Ohlendorf, a 25-year-old who went to Princeton, was 10-8 with a 3.29 ERA at Double-A Tennessee last season and 0-0 with a 1.28 ERA at Tucson.

Gonzalez, a 24-year-old right-handed hitter, batted .290 in 129 games with Tennessee with six homers, 50 RBI and 20 doubles. He also hit .200 (3-for-15) in four games with Tucson.

Jackson, 24, was 8-11 with a 2.65 ERA in 24 starts at Tennessee.

Johnson was 17-11 with a 5.00 ERA last season, and the 43-year-old left-hander is coming off back surgery on Oct. 26. Although he has gone 34-19 during the regular season in two years with the Yankees, he is 0-1 with a 6.92 ERA in three postseason appearances.

New York's projected rotation includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina, Andy Pettitte and Kei Igawa. The Yankees also have oft-injured right-hander Carl Pavano and hope Roger Clemens can be persuaded to follow Pettitte back to New York. Clemens hasn't decided whether to pitch this year. If he does, the 44-year-old right-hander might follow his 2006 schedule and not start his major league season until mid-June.

Johnson, who lives in the Phoenix area, went 103-49 with the Diamondbacks and helped them beat the Yankees in the 2001 World
 

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good we needed another thread on this :D
 

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If Randy can get his stuff back, a lineup with the current NL Cy Young winner and the four time winner, I like our chances in the NL West.
 

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Thats what happens when you have nothing to be excited about for so long.
I suppose you would've been thrilled if the team had lost sanity like the rest of baseball and dropped $45 million on a Gil Meche or Jeff Suppan. Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.
 

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I suppose you would've been thrilled if the team had lost sanity like the rest of baseball and dropped $45 million on a Gil Meche or Jeff Suppan. Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.

Case in point, Russ Ortiz
 

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Like this move, Byrnes pulls another fast one.

But there are some who thinks Byrnes is not behind this move, as mentioned in the other thread. :shrug: Like I said before, Byrnes is the one making these trades and I am very happy he did not trade Owings. I guess we should not listen to the media because as mentioned before, Byrnes would not trade prospects. He wants to continue to build the minor-league system.
 

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But there are some who thinks Byrnes is not behind this move, as mentioned in the other thread. :shrug: Like I said before, Byrnes is the one making these trades and I am very happy he did not trade Owings. I guess we should not listen to the media because as mentioned before, Byrnes would not trade prospects. He wants to continue to build the minor-league system.

I was one of those saying Byrnes might not have been behind the RJ trade IF Owings/Nippert/Medders were traded. I repeatedly said I was speculating because it was so unlike Byrnes to deal top prospects for a 43 year old veteran who is due $16 million next season.

Now that the facts are out ( no top prospects and a soon-to-be FA reliever traded for RJ), this is definitely a Byrnes type trade. It makes much more sense and proves that I shouldn't pay too much attention to rampid media rumors.

I would expect anyone to raise some flags when 2 of our best pitching prospects were rumored to be dealt for RJ. It is very unlike Byrnes who rarely takes on big contracts, especially at the cost of prized prospects
 

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Randy Johnson Trade Re-Visited:
Since the Yankees and D'backs have traded RJ to each other, I thought it might be fun to see who came out ahead in the over-all movement of players.

On January 5th, 2005 the trade was:
Yankees Receive:
LHP Randy Johnson

D'backs Receive:
RHP Javier Vasquez
LHP Brad Halsey
C Dioner Navarro
$9 million

These people were then used in trades---->
D'backs Trade:
C Navarro
RHP Danny Muegge
RHP Beltran Perez
RHP William Juarez

LA Dodgers Trade:
OF Shawn Green
up to 3-4 million in cash

D'backs trade:
LHP Brad Halsey

A's Trade:
RHP Juan Cruz

D'backs Trade:
RHP Javier Vasquez

White Sox Trade:
RHP Orlando Hernandez
RHP Luis Vizcaino
OF Chris Young

So, essentially, after that trade, here is how it works out:
D'backs Lost:
LHP Randy Johnson
3 minor leaguers

D'backs Gain:
RHP Juan Cruz
RHP Orlando Hernandez
RHP Luis Vizcaino
OF Chris Young
OF Shawn Green
About 12-13 million in cash

Now, since we have lost a few of these guys, let me update it (I assume you guys know who were traded last year, so I really do not want to go through every transaction):
D'backs Lost:
RHP Ross Ohlendorf
RHP Steven Jackson
SS Alberto Gonzalez
RHP Danny Muegge
RHP Beltran Perez
RHP William Juarez

D'backs Recieve:
RHP Jorge Julio (trade w/ Mets for Orlando Hernandez)
LHP Evan MacLane (Trade w/ Mets for Shawn Green & $6.5 million)
OF Chris Young
RHP Juan Cruz
$5.5-6.5 million (This might change to at most $8.5 million)

So, over a period of a little more than two years, the D’backs have traded a few prospects that might reach the majors but will not play any prominent role for millions of dollars, a few good players, and one of the best prospects in baseball.

If I am missing any trade or any player, please let me know.
 
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