Deandre Ayton discussion

[Chaplin]

that’s not “nothing” as you put it

By that philosophy, Abdel Nader's 3 points, 2 rebounds in 8 minutes isn't "nothing" either. Come on.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

It’s less than Ayton’s nothing.

He is not a volume scorer. That isn’t how he impacts the offense. I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This thread went from AYTON SUCKS SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT to “wouldn’t trade him for Kat” in record time. You guys just cannot help yourselves.

No it didn't. You still have the same people that can't stand Ayton and you still have the same people that love his potential but are frustrated about his stretches when he can't catch the ball cleanly (pass or rebound) and ends up standing around 25 feet from the basket for no good reason. I've never wavered on the issue that we are a better team because of him and I've never wanted to trade him for KAT.

 

[Hoop Head]

I wasn’t wrong. Bad passes aren’t the big man’s fault. Ayton has a 122 ORTG so even if he “drops” passes, he’s still an elite offensive player.

You know old posts don't disappear just because you ignore them?

This is a ton of garbage. Of course if I fumble an accurate pass OOB, I am credited with the turnover, hence, the possession.

This proves you were wrong and have tried bending the narrative in a feeble attempt to keep from admitting as much.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

It’s a judgment call. You have proven nothing.

 

[Hoop Head]

It’s a judgment call. You have proven nothing.

No, its not. That's been proven in this thread.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

The conversation was about Ayton not catching marginal passes, like the Booker pass the other day he got one hand on.

You conceded that inaccurate passes are properly attributed as turnovers on the passer. I have not seen many accurate passes, thrown at reasonable speed, that Ayton has fumbled. It’s a complete red herring

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It’s a judgment call. You have proven nothing.

You’re ridiculous on this point. He’s got subpar hands and some games where they’re just flat out awful. Why you want to die on this hill is beyond me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The conversation was about Ayton not catching marginal passes, like the Booker pass the other day he got one hand on.

You conceded that inaccurate passes are properly attributed as turnovers on the passer. I have not seen many accurate passes, thrown at reasonable speed, that Ayton has fumbled. It’s a complete red herring

Yes bc every pass except those he catches are bad passes even though we don’t see nearly the same with passes to anyone else in the post. A witch must’ve put a spell around Ayton to make his teammates throw only bad passes only to him in the post.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It’s a judgment call. You have proven nothing.

When he said you've been proven incorrect he's not talking about whether the pass was good or bad. You insisted that fumbling away a catchable pass would be called on Ayton and that simply is not true. It will be called on the passer, if the ball is not caught, whether it's a good pass or a bad pass.

And if you actually watch this team play you'll discover we're not just talking about passes. It also happens on rebounds. He usually has good hands but he has stretches where catchable passes and grabbable rebounds just hit his hands and bounce away. It's happened hundreds of times in his very short career.

I've watched the Suns play since the franchise was first announced and IMO I've seen him fumble more catchable passes and rebounds than every other center we've had combined and that includes a lot of athletically challenged stiffs, which Ayton certainly is not. And the cost is not just lost rebounds or turnovers, there's also the wasted scoring opportunities that often result from fumbling a pass down low allowing the defense time to recover.

 

[Chaplin]

The conversation was about Ayton not catching marginal passes, like the Booker pass the other day he got one hand on.

You conceded that inaccurate passes are properly attributed as turnovers on the passer. I have not seen many accurate passes, thrown at reasonable speed, that Ayton has fumbled. It’s a complete red herring

Andrew, is that you??

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Andrew, is that you??

Lol

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Andrew?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Andrew?

It's a joke about a poster from long ago. I don't really see much similarity, other than that guy was a fan of specific players (Shaq at the time) rather than a specific team.

 

[Chaplin]

It's a joke about a poster from long ago. I don't really see much similarity, other than that guy was a fan of specific players (Shaq at the time) rather than a specific team.

Sheesh what a killjoy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's a joke about a poster from long ago. I don't really see much similarity, other than that guy was a fan of specific players (Shaq at the time) rather than a specific team.

Player, not playerS. And yeah he had a weird love affair with shaq. Came and went with him.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Shaq just killing the Booker ejection

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wade calls the ejection "Petty stuff"

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Shaq just killing the Booker ejection

And wade saying book needs more self control

 

[AzStevenCal]

Player, not playerS. And yeah he had a weird love affair with shaq. Came and went with him.

Here yes, but after Shaq went to Cleveland Andrew starting putting out videos worshipping Lebron (who he then followed to a Miami forum).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Here yes, but after Shaq went to Cleveland Andrew starting putting out videos worshipping Lebron (who he then followed to a Miami forum).

I only knew him here

 

[AzStevenCal]

I only knew him here

I ran across him on a different forum before he showed up here but the information about his fan choices after Shaq was traded came from another poster on this board who provided a link to his Lebron videos (youtube, I think).

 

[JCSunsfan]

I ran across him on a different forum before he showed up here but the information about his fan choices after Shaq was traded came from another poster on this board who provided a link to his Lebron videos (youtube, I think).

I remember Andrew. He was one of those fans that are almost scary— as in restraining order scary.

 

[95pro]

Didn't andrew have some sort vlog or youtube videos too?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Didn't andrew have some sort vlog or youtube videos too?

Yeah, he did, that's what I was talking about above. I'm drawing a blank on who it was but someone here posted a few of his videos (or links to his videos) showing that Andrew had attached himself to Lebron.