Deandre Ayton facing 25 game suspension

[Superbone]

You would think watching Baynes drill 3's would bring more people around on Ayton mimicking him.

If Ayton can mimic Baynes but add his own athleticism, that would be something to see, I agree.

 

[BC867]

In general, your points are valid. But I believe, that in the case of Ayton developing as
a Center, he should not be tempted to excel at the 3-point line this early in his career.
Unless he's moved to Power Forward alongside a Center as he was at UofA.

He spent all of last season on the perimeter setting picks, then trying to work his way
down low . . . and often being 'a day late and a dollar short'.

Some of you know what I'm going to say next. The Suns tried to multi-role Booker and
it has had its consequences.

Let a star (or potential star) player develop as among the best at his position, then
let the versatility develop. Especially in Ayton's case. As it is, he has catching up to
do when he comes back. Keep it simple as he restarts his season. Patience.

 

[Chaplin]

But don't you think he should work on all facets of the game? Do you not think there are times to mix it up and spread the floor? Have you watched Embiid? I think he mixes it up pretty well. Yes, I agree the majority of the time he should be protecting the paint and inside but there are times and places for some versatility.

I can understand how you'd want to perfect one thing first but these guys live and breathe basketball. They need to work on all facets of the game. Every tool helps.

Since when does a 20s video clip show the entire breadth of his practice??

You’re acting like ALL he does is practice shooting threes.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Since when does a 20s video clip show the entire breadth of his practice??

You’re acting like ALL he does is practice shooting threes.

Speaking on my own behalf... I am certain he's doing more than practice 3's... I just hope, more than anything, his conditioning is where it needs to be. I would prefer to not see him having to "play his way" back into shape... therefore limiting his mins and his ability to be a serious force down low.

 

[BC867]

Since when does a 20s video clip show the entire breadth of his practice??

You’re acting like ALL he does is practice shooting threes.

I've posted numerously how boring it is watching the Suns constantly chuck up 3's all game long.

And how frustrating it is to see them put their fate primarily in the lowest percentage shot.

And I say . . . Ayton? Not another one?

Let him master playing the post first.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I've posted numerously how boring it is watching the Suns constantly chuck up 3's all game long.

And how frustrating it is to see them put their fate primarily in the lowest percentage shot.

And I say . . . Ayton? Not another one?

Let him master playing the post first.

It may be low percentage, but at the percentage that the Suns are making them this year (36%) it has been highly efficient.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Speaking on my own behalf... I am certain he's doing more than practice 3's... I just hope, more than anything, his conditioning is where it needs to be. I would prefer to not see him having to "play his way" back into shape... therefore limiting his mins and his ability to be a serious force down low.

Well, it's a safe bet that he won't be in game shape.

 

[Mainstreet]

It whet my appetite... But no, Ayton draining practice 3's doesn't impress me at all...

Suns are preparing Deandre Ayton for game play.

I found this from Duane Rankin at azcentral:


Ayton has been able to practice and travel with the team. He's participated in pickup games after practice and been in the weight room, but the Suns will change up the routine has his return draws closer.

"We're just ramping him up," Williams said. "It's more running on the floor. We try to do everything we can to simulate the game. So, this past week, he's done a ton of cardio that's been different than weeks before. He'll play more this week. He'll script more with the team. You do everything you can, but it's still not the game."


https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...andre-ayton-back-after-suspension/2628366001/

 

[JCSunsfan]

I've posted numerously how boring it is watching the Suns constantly chuck up 3's all game long.

And how frustrating it is to see them put their fate primarily in the lowest percentage shot.

And I say . . . Ayton? Not another one?

Let him master playing the post first.

At 36.2 from the three and 52.5 from the two (which is what the Suns are shooting at this moment), the more efficient shot is the three-pointer. This is why the league has gone to so much three-point shooting. It's just math. It might be boring, but that is a rules problem, not a team problem

 

[Hoop Head]

At 36.2 from the three and 52.5 from the two (which is what the Suns are shooting at this moment), the more efficient shot is the three-pointer. This is why the league has gone to so much three-point shooting. It's just math. It might be boring, but that is a rules problem, not a team problem

I don't find it boring but I can see how some can. I just really hope they never add a 4 point line. Apparently the Suns use one in practice, which I think can be blamed for some of Booker's bad 3's from too far out but the reason the Suns use it is to stress to defenders that you need to stay up on your man, even if they're bombing away from 30 feet. I can see the purpose there but like I said, I don't want to see it in the NBA.

 

[Sunburn]

I find 3 point shooting beautiful. I loved watching Shaq, but I think it takes more skill to hit a 3 at a high clip than a big man to go bull in a china shop.

 

[elindholm]

At 36.2 from the three and 52.5 from the two (which is what the Suns are shooting at this moment), the more efficient shot is the three-pointer.

But it's more complicated than that. Someone attempting a two-point shot is more likely to get fouled, which doesn't affect the shooting percentage but increases efficiency. And a three-point shot is more likely to lead to a long rebound and an easier chance for the other team.

There should be advanced stats for team offensive efficiency when the possession ends in a two-point shot versus a three-point shot, as well as defensive efficiency for the possession immediately following such an attempt. You'd get a much more accurate picture that way.

 

[High Stakes]

Why would we not give up Ayton and picks for KAT?

I would much prefer that move than anything even mentioning Kevin love.

 

[BC867]

Why would we not give up Ayton and picks for KAT?

I would much prefer that move than anything even mentioning Kevin love.

Do you think Minnesota would even consider that?

 

[1Sun]

Do you think Minnesota would even consider that?

Plus we would still need a power forward.

 

[TJ]

Why would we not give up Ayton and picks for KAT?

I would much prefer that move than anything even mentioning Kevin love.

Because Ayton has a Very good chance of being just as good, if not better, than KAT, while not sacrificing more young talent and abstaining from taking that massive contract.

 

[TJ]

Well, it's a safe bet that he won't be in game shape.

Figure he gets about 20-25 minutes against the Clippers and goes up considerably within the following two games.

It wont take long for Ayton to get back into game shape. From all accounts, dude has been busting his ass off since the suspension.

 

[Finito]

Figure he gets about 20-25 minutes against the Clippers and goes up considerably within the following two games.

It wont take long for Ayton to get back into game shape. From all accounts, dude has been busting his ass off since the suspension.

that’s good to hear

 

[Covert Rain]

At 36.2 from the three and 52.5 from the two (which is what the Suns are shooting at this moment), the more efficient shot is the three-pointer. This is why the league has gone to so much three-point shooting. It's just math. It might be boring, but that is a rules problem, not a team problem

Huh? The math doesn't support that. The reason the team shoots at the clip is because it countered by the number of higher % two point shooting (i.e. balance). The teams offensive scheme ensures that enough high percentage shots are taken. If a team was to do the opposite and take more 3's verses more high % two pointers guess what would happen to those percentages and the final outcome in total points?!?!? So yeah...it's just math and that math shows how critical higher % shots still are. Around the rim buckets are way more important than 3 pointers because no team could survive in the NBA taking more 3's than 2's night in and night out. What 3 pointers help you do is take pressure off the team to work more down low and prevent teams from packing the lane.

Threes are more important in today's game for sure but they are not "more efficient" than shots made around the rim.

The six best 3 point shooting % teams are Pistons, Heat, Raptors, Jazz, Wizards and Lakers. Out of all of those teams, four of them are also leading the league in regular shooting % as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

Figure he gets about 20-25 minutes against the Clippers and goes up considerably within the following two games.

It wont take long for Ayton to get back into game shape. From all accounts, dude has been busting his ass off since the suspension.

Baynes played 15 minutes last night at center and was quite effective.

I expect Ayton to play more minutes but I could live with 30 minutes of Ayton and Baynes at center for awhile.

 

[Covert Rain]

Baynes played 15 minutes last night at center and was quite effective.

I expect Ayton to play more minutes but I could live with 30 minutes of Ayton and Baynes at center for awhile.

It crossed my mind that Ayton and Baynes could play together in the front court. However, after seeing how thin the team was when it was just Baynes? They definitely need to find a good balance between them.

 

[Mainstreet]

It crossed my mine that Ayton and Baynes could play together int he front court. However, after seeing how thin the team was when it was just Baynes? They definitely need to find a good balance between them.

I gave up on that idea as well (Ayton and Baynes playing together) because the Suns really play well with at least one center anchoring the team. They are thin at this position as you note and the drop off without a center is significant.

It's best to have one center out there on the court at all times except perhaps the occasional small ball situation and I'm not sure about that. Also it's best to limit Baynes minutes and keep him healthy. I'm not saying they can't do it once in awhile but it should not be the plan.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Huh? The math doesn't support that. The reason the team shoots at the clip is because it countered by the number of higher % two point shooting (i.e. balance). The teams offensive scheme ensures that enough high percentage shots are taken. If a team was to do the opposite and take more 3's verses more high % two pointers guess what would happen to those percentages and the final outcome in total points?!?!? So yeah...it's just math and that math shows how critical higher % shots still are. Around the rim buckets are way more important than 3 pointers because no team could survive in the NBA taking more 3's than 2's night in and night out. What 3 pointers help you do is take pressure off the team to work more down low and prevent teams from packing the lane.

Threes are more important in today's game for sure but they are not "more efficient" than shots made around the rim.

The six best 3 point shooting % teams are Pistons, Heat, Raptors, Jazz, Wizards and Lakers. Out of all of those teams, four of them are also leading the league in regular shooting % as well.

I was comparing three pointers as a whole, with two pointers as a whole. Not three pointers with shots at the rim. But you should have known that because of the two-point percentage number I used.

 

[Covert Rain]

I was comparing three pointers as a whole, with two pointers as a whole. Not three pointers with shots at the rim. But you should have known that because of the two-point percentage number I used.

I still don't know what math you are using. You pointed out 2 percentages and one was clearly higher than the other and it wasn't threes. I am arguing 2 pointers in general (shots at the rim only being partial) are more efficient. It seems you were arguing the more 3's you take the more efficient the team would be because of the % they were shooting.

Maybe I misunderstood.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I still don't know what math you are using. You pointed out 2 percentages and one was clearly higher than the other and it wasn't threes. I am arguing 2 pointers in general (shots at the rim only being partial) are more efficient. It seems you were arguing the more 3's you take the more efficient the team would be because of the % they were shooting.

Maybe I misunderstood.

Shooting 36.2% from the three produces 10.86 points for every ten shots. Shooting 52.5% from the two produces 10.5 points for every ten shots. That is exactly the reasoning Dan DAntoni gives for the three-point explosion in the league. Most players, especially guards, are much more efficient IN OVERALL SCORING shooting the three than the two. He even makes the case that the post-game is one of the least efficient offensive strategies since it eats up clock and is not done very efficiently. Joel Embiid post up more than any other player in the league right now, he he scores at a 47.8% clip when doing so (9.56 points for every 10 post ups). A guard putting up threes could shoot 32% and have the same offensive efficiency (9.6 points for every 10 shots). You can't shoot ALL threes or it would become easy to defend. But it is still easier to defend down low than the three because there is just more real estate on the court outside of the arc than inside it.

The point of all this is that balance is important. There is nothing wrong with Ayton adding the three pointer to his arsenal. Look at KAT and Baynes. That shot makes both of their games A LOT more effective.