Defense in 2010

[WarnerHOF]

Now that we re-signed Hamza Abdullah today I think it is safe to say that the 2010 defense is an upgrade.

He was the last missing piece to the birdgang.

He was amazing in the playoffs.






*kills self*

 

[DoTheDew]

Its not a wash! Seriously what players were some of you watching? Rolle who got burned time and time again ....THANK GOD he did not stay here at that price we are much better off with a real safety in Rhodes! Dansby admittedly is a loss but we all knew he was gone. Porter is an upgrade no matter how you look at it he may have had more sacks than berry, okeafer, dansby combined. Just don't get how people can't see this defense is going to be BETTER its just not a wash and we are not even through yet.

So basically you are saying
Rhodes>Rolle
Porter> Berry/Okeafor rotation
????<<Dansby

This will either be a gain or a wash depending on the performance of Dansby's replacement IMO.

 

[juza76]

He was amazing in the playoffs.






*kills self*

ahahahahahahah the new ed reed

 

[Monty]

Thanks for the thread Buckybird: Good for discussion here.

Right now, I believe that we are stronger at safety than we were last year when we had Rolle instead of Rhodes. I believe we are stronger at OLB with Porter than we were with Berry/Okeafor.

That said, I believe we are much weaker at ILB than where we started last season, with the departure of KD, and Hayes having back problems that he did not have when last season started. We could use a couple of solid ILB's from this draft. I hope that Paris Lenon holds up at WILB to start the season at least, and the same for Hayes at SILB.

We should start the season stronger at CB than last year, because Toler has progressed enough to make a difference that he could not make at the beginning of last year. It remains to be seen if our new DB's coach can get McFadden to look for the ball, so we may look for help at CB in the draft too.

I would say that we are stronger along the D-line, simply because CC and Branch will have had another year to learn their trade. We have a chance to get stronger at NT, if we can draft someone who can command the double team better than Robinson.

Overall, I believe we are already stronger than last year on Defense, and have a real chance of getting stronger thru the draft. Don't forget, our Defense will have a swagger, or a nastiness that we lacked last year. You can take that to the bank.

Superb analysis and i couldnt agree more with it. Areas of improvement= FS, OLB, CB and probably DE. Area of weakening as it stands now= SILB and WILB.

 

[nashman]

Is it really that hard to replace Dansby who had a very average year! How hard is it to replace 1 sack 1 int. and 1 forced fumble for an entire season from your supposed star linebacker? I trust the Whiz and co. to get a replacement in there and this defense will be better, I already think they will be better in the secondary and get burned FAR less often! I just don't understand all the panic of losing Dansby he got PAID way more than I would have wanted the Cards to pony up for him. And Rolle was as said earlier a liability in the backfield unless on the rare occasion he got a pick.

 

[Catfish]

I agree with Nashman about the D already being slightly better than last year, with a chance to be much better after we draft some depth. Monty, thanks for the vote of confidence. I appreciate it.

 

[Buckybird]

Is it really that hard to replace Dansby who had a very average year! How hard is it to replace 1 sack 1 int. and 1 forced fumble for an entire season from your supposed star linebacker?

Have you ever listened to what the experts or former players on NFL shows say about Dansby? 95% of them on ESPN, NFL Network & sirius radio gushed about his talents & what he brings to the Dolphins.

Can he be replaced? yes. We it be easy? Not exactly. Name another ILB in the last 20years (on the Cards) that could play all downs as well as 'Los. My guess is you would have to go back to EJ Juinior. Dansby may not be great but he is very good.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Bucky - I listen to Sirius NFL radio most of the day and it is obvious that most of these "experts" still do not watch much Cardinals football. Based on their cookie cutter analysis and reasoning, most of their gushing is from watching highlights and playoff games.

Our defense last year was lacking even with these two "superstars" we lost. I don't understand how people can not think we will be better.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Have you ever listened to what the experts or former players on NFL shows say about Dansby? 95% of them on ESPN, NFL Network & sirius radio gushed about his talents & what he brings to the Dolphins.

Can he be replaced? yes. We it be easy? Not exactly. Name another ILB in the last 20years (on the Cards) that could play all downs as well as 'Los. My guess is you would have to go back to EJ Juinior. Dansby may not be great but he is very good.

Dansby was only great on passing downs. He was not the 34 LB we want on running downs. Dansby = Jon Vilma.

 

[187]

If we do a good job in the draft I'm very confident the 2010 D will be better than the 2009 D. Rookie ILB's can step up and play well right away, so if we can find a solid ILB and a NT to split time with Watson I like where we stand.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think Rhodes is much better than some of you apparently, while he has some ego issues in the past he is still MUCH better safety than Antron. While Rolle made the occasional play on the ball he completely got burned repeatedly I am not sure why so many people don't see this as a huge upgrade. We have all longed for our defensive backfield to be able to cover someone well we have it now, well almost another solid corner would help alot opposite of DRC but Toler may be that guy. I am excited for Rhodes to be here much better safety than Rolle IMO and at a much better price, the Giants got screwed haha!

The only thing better about Rhodes is his price tag. I would like you to cite some examples of Rolle getting burned repeatedly because i saw about every play for the Cards and didn't see that very often. I'll give you one, the INCOMPLETE pass to Jennings. I'm sure there were others but not alot.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Its not a wash! Seriously what players were some of you watching? Rolle who got burned time and time again ....THANK GOD he did not stay here at that price we are much better off with a real safety in Rhodes! Dansby admittedly is a loss but we all knew he was gone. Porter is an upgrade no matter how you look at it he may have had more sacks than berry, okeafer, dansby combined. Just don't get how people can't see this defense is going to be BETTER its just not a wash and we are not even through yet.

question, how many games did you see Rhodes play last year? Must've been 16 to say we are better off with him.

 

[Perfectionist]

Bucky - I listen to Sirius NFL radio most of the day and it is obvious that most of these "experts" still do not watch much Cardinals football. Based on their cookie cutter analysis and reasoning, most of their gushing is from watching highlights and playoff games.

Our defense last year was lacking even with these two "superstars" we lost. I don't understand how people can not think we will be better.

We had better be.

Tackling and not giving up the big play are the keys to success. Swagger is fine as long as you are knocking people on their ass.

 

[Stout]

The only thing better about Rhodes is his price tag. I would like you to cite some examples of Rolle getting burned repeatedly because i saw about every play for the Cards and didn't see that very often. I'll give you one, the INCOMPLETE pass to Jennings. I'm sure there were others but not alot.

Rolle wasn't toasted all the time, but I rarely looked at the screen and said to myself, 'Damn, but he was spot-on in coverage there!'

 

[cardsfanmd]

Have you ever listened to what the experts or former players on NFL shows say about Dansby? 95% of them on ESPN, NFL Network & sirius radio gushed about his talents & what he brings to the Dolphins.

95% of them have picked the Seahawks and 49ers to win the division the last two years. 95% of them picked us to lose the Atlanta playoff game, then 100% of them picked us to lose the Carolina game. Then 95% (everyone but Bradshaw) picked us to lose against the Eagles. 95% of the anaylists are bumbling idiots and you would agree to that 95% of the time just as long as they were'nt supporting your man-crush that is Dansby.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Branch isn't a NT. He may get snaps there on 3rd and long plays, but he cannot be counted on as a real NT on the depth chart. We have one lone NT on the depth chart, and he is a huge question mark. I can definitely see a young NT coming in and making a major contribution. ILBer is a bigger need, but NT is a huge need too, IMO.

He is an NT. He didn't have as much success there as he did at DE, but he is still a NT IMO. He has a lot of leverage techniques that he needs to learn.

It isn't as big of a need as an ILB, unless we switch to a 4-3 defense. (which I think we should given the personnel)

Having a line of Dockett, Watson, Branch, Campbell maximizes our talents on the line, as well as makes up for the fact that we are short on ILB's. Using this lineup, we need a NT/UT in the first 3 rounds of the draft for sure.

 

[kerouac9]

He is an NT. He didn't have as much success there as he did at DE, but he is still a NT IMO. He has a lot of leverage techniques that he needs to learn.

It isn't as big of a need as an ILB, unless we switch to a 4-3 defense. (which I think we should given the personnel)

Having a line of Dockett, Watson, Branch, Campbell maximizes our talents on the line, as well as makes up for the fact that we are short on ILB's. Using this lineup, we need a NT/UT in the first 3 rounds of the draft for sure.

If we switched to the 4-3 defense, we'd still be lacking a WOLB, and would have to draft one. It's the same position as the WILB in the 3-4 alignment.

Also, we would have wasted picks on Cody Brown and Will Davis, and Darnell Dockett wouldn't be nearly as effective working against OLTs in a 4-3 as he currently is splitting the gap between the LT and LG in the current defense.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

He is an NT. He didn't have as much success there as he did at DE, but he is still a NT IMO. He has a lot of leverage techniques that he needs to learn.

It isn't as big of a need as an ILB, unless we switch to a 4-3 defense. (which I think we should given the personnel)

Having a line of Dockett, Watson, Branch, Campbell maximizes our talents on the line, as well as makes up for the fact that we are short on ILB's. Using this lineup, we need a NT/UT in the first 3 rounds of the draft for sure.

They tried to teach Branch the NT techniques, and to no success - ergo, he was moved in DE, and, frankly, he seems to have a future there.

Whiz made it clear that he was a 3-4 guy when he arrived, and we've invested draft picks to bring about that transition.

The league is moving more and more to 3-4, with almost half the teams in the league using that formation in 2010.

IMO - we are not going back in time, and Davis is 3-4 coach.

The additional LB's are also key to good special team's play.

ILB, is our number one need, and an additional space eater is also a priority.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If we switched to the 4-3 defense, we'd still be lacking a WOLB, and would have to draft one. It's the same position as the WILB in the 3-4 alignment.

Also, we would have wasted picks on Cody Brown and Will Davis, and Darnell Dockett wouldn't be nearly as effective working against OLTs in a 4-3 as he currently is splitting the gap between the LT and LG in the current defense.

I'll give you that one...

 

[Duckjake]

95% of them have picked the Seahawks and 49ers to win the division the last two years. 95% of them picked us to lose the Atlanta playoff game, then 100% of them picked us to lose the Carolina game. Then 95% (everyone but Bradshaw) picked us to lose against the Eagles. 95% of the anaylists are bumbling idiots and you would agree to that 95% of the time just as long as they were'nt supporting your man-crush that is Dansby.

Many people said that Dansby wanted to become a free agent just so he could be a bigshot in free agency and be wined and dined and fussed over. Yet he signed with the Dolphins within hours of the start of free agency. They were wrong about that.

Many people said that Calvin Pace wasn't that good and that he wouldn't be missed and wouldn't get a big payday. They were wrong about that.

Fortunately the one position on defense where you see rookies play well right away is the WILB so if the Cards get one of the top guys in the draft they should be fine.

 

[Cardiac]

Branch isn't a NT. He may get snaps there on 3rd and long plays, but he cannot be counted on as a real NT on the depth chart. We have one lone NT on the depth chart, and he is a huge question mark. I can definitely see a young NT coming in and making a major contribution. ILBer is a bigger need, but NT is a huge need too, IMO.

Agree and will also say a CB that could keep Brown and Adams off the field would be a GREAT thing.

 

[Cardiac]

Many people said that Dansby wanted to become a free agent just so he could be a bigshot in free agency and be wined and dined and fussed over. Yet he signed with the Dolphins within hours of the start of free agency. They were wrong about that.

Many people said that Calvin Pace wasn't that good and that he wouldn't be missed and wouldn't get a big payday. They were wrong about that.

Fortunately the one position on defense where you see rookies play well right away is the WILB so if the Cards get one of the top guys in the draft they should be fine.

Dansby was determined to hit FA. He believed he would get record money for a LBer. He did not get what he wanted (did VERY well) but did not receive his asking price. Wine and dine turns out to be incorrect.

The other thing is that as fans dump on Dansby and Rolle they should keep in mind that we came close to matching the offers they ended up taking. So either Whis and Parcells and the Giants are ALL idiots or these players have talent.

Losing Pace hurt and set us back a couple of years (that's if Brown or Davis step up this year).

 

[cardsfanmd]

Many people said that Dansby wanted to become a free agent just so he could be a bigshot in free agency and be wined and dined and fussed over. Yet he signed with the Dolphins within hours of the start of free agency. They were wrong about that.

Many people said that Calvin Pace wasn't that good and that he wouldn't be missed and wouldn't get a big payday. They were wrong about that.

Fortunately the one position on defense where you see rookies play well right away is the WILB so if the Cards get one of the top guys in the draft they should be fine.

Everyone on here but ME said Pace sucked. You surely didn't support him. I was harassed the entire offseason for not being a sheep and hating on the guy.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Now that we re-signed Hamza Abdullah today I think it is safe to say that the 2010 defense is an upgrade.

He was the last missing piece to the birdgang.

 

[Mulli]

Everyone on here but ME said Pace sucked. You surely didn't support him. I was harassed the entire offseason for not being a sheep and hating on the guy.

That is not why you were harassed.