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<h2 align="center">Rushing the Cards</h2>

<p>It's been a long time since Simeon Rice, Mark Smith, Andre Wadsworth and Eric
Swann provided a reasonable assault on the opposing passer.&nbsp; Since that
time, the Cards have rarely had even a game where they appeared to be capable of
mounting an attack.&nbsp; Cornerbacks have come and gone after constantly being
derided for their inability to cover receivers who were being given all the time in the world
to make double moves.&nbsp; The smart ones, like Aeneas Williams forced the
issue and got out while the getting was good.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Throughout this period the Cards management drafted defensive lineman after
defensive lineman to no avail.&nbsp; One has to wonder about the coaching
considering the success of Darwin Walker after the Cards dumped him.&nbsp;
However no one
had to wonder about the performance of the line.&nbsp; It was awful.&nbsp; Ferguson was
fired.&nbsp; Graves took over the draft and free agency, but the result remained
unchanged.&nbsp; Much of the failure could have been attributed to
reaches.&nbsp; Pace and Vanden Bosch were both moved up by the Cards, based on
most draft evaluations and desperation.&nbsp; However, even players taken in normal order, like
Bryant, continued the pattern of non-productivity.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Now a new coach enters, but unless the Cards show progress in this area, he
will fail as well.&nbsp; So what are the Cards options?&nbsp; The best ones this
year will lie in free agency.</p>
<p>Free agency has been an exercise in futility for the Cardinals.&nbsp; They
make offers to pass rushers, but like a jilted bride, they are always left at
the altar.&nbsp; This year impact players are likely available, if the Cards are
willing to overpay, they will get yet another opportunity to make an difference.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Taking the unrestricted free agents first,&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>Bertrand (Bert) Berry</b> had a breakout season in 2003.&nbsp; After
registering a career high 6 sacks in 2002, his total grew to 11.5 in 2003.&nbsp;
He is on the light side and that could be an issue with the Cards' undersized
linebackers, but he would provide the needed push.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>Eric Hicks</b> is not a great pass rusher, but he is a balanced player who
could upgrade the Cards' rush without sacrificing run stoppage.&nbsp; Hicks only
scored 5 sacks in 2003, but has posted 9 and 14 in previous seasons.&nbsp; He is
young enough to have good productive years ahead and has been exceptionally
durable.</p>
<p><b>Jevon Kearse</b> is everyone's fantasy, but the reality is that he will be
tagged if they can't simply re-sign him.&nbsp;I like him a great deal, but no
enough to give up two first round choices and distort the payroll that much.</p>
<p><b>Grant Wistrom</b> will likely be the most sought after pass rusher in this
group.&nbsp; The Jets financial situation and the existence of alternatives,
make it likely he will hit the market.&nbsp; He would be the impact player the
Cards desire, but it is hard to picture him ignoring all his suitors who will
likely offer better playoff opportunities, if not more money.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>There are also a couple of restricted free agents who are worth attention
this off-season.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>Adewale Ogunleye</b> has been a pass rushing force for both of the last
two years.&nbsp; The Dolphins will enter the off-season with major cap problems
and though they will make a qualifying offer, they won't have the money to match
other teams.&nbsp; To play in this signing war, the Cards would start by trading
their first round pick for a much lower selection, as they will have to
surrender it if they sign him.&nbsp; They will also have to surrender plenty of
cash. It is true he is helped by a strong surrounding cast, but it is also true
he may be the best pass rusher within the Cards' reach.</p>
<p><b>Reggie Hayward</b> has also blossomed this season in Denver.&nbsp; After
two relatively unimpressive seasons, he burst onto everyone notebooks with a
solid season that included 8.5 sacks.&nbsp; His best may be yet to come.&nbsp;
Denver can't keep everyone, so the price may be right.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Cap Casualties are never certain predictions.&nbsp; Not to mention that often
teams have deals worked out in advance with players and sign them virtually as
soon as they are released (ARod should be so lucky).&nbsp; Here are two strong
possibilities.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>Gary Walker</b> was in my sights as soon as Jacksonville let it be known
he would go in the expansion pool.&nbsp; With Texas building with youth, he
could have been lured away even after the draft by some impressive Cardinal
front office work.&nbsp; Sadly, that apparently is not in the Cards' job
description. Instead he went to Houston, posted 6.5 sacks and got to see Hawaii
via the Pro Bowl.&nbsp; He was hurt this year (there is an injury risk) and will
be a huge cap hit, if they don't cut him.&nbsp; He will be there if the Cards can
close the deal.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>Darren Howard</b> was among my top DEs when he exited KSU for the draft.&nbsp; He has
done nothing to disprove my opinion and the rumor on the street is he will not
be retained by New Orleans due to financial constraints.&nbsp; He dropped off a
little in sacks this season.&nbsp; Of course, his 5 would have led the Cards
line by a wide margin.&nbsp;He is lightening fast and the closest thing to
Kearse.&nbsp; A couple of list show him as a UFA, but my understanding is that
he has an option (bonus clause) that will not be exercised.&nbsp;New Orleans has
cap problems, but with so many issues, he is unlikely to be tagged if the clause
rumor is wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Finally, there one tackle that must be mentioned.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>Warren Sapp</b> has been a force in this league for several years and is
still young enough to be an impact player.&nbsp; Gruden wants him back, but
probably not at Sapp's price.&nbsp; The grapevine says he may be a &quot;one and
done&quot; player.&nbsp; That's a player who gives you one good year to show up
his previous employer and then phones it in for the rest of the contract.&nbsp;
I have followed Sapp since high school and I still can't read him and neither
can many of his acquaintances.&nbsp; If they Cards don't immediately contend,
his play will likely decline and he will be disruptive.&nbsp; He is too big a risk for the
Cards to take even if he would come to Arizona.&nbsp; He figures to go to a perennial
contender which needs one key player to push them over the top.&nbsp; </p>
<p>No doubt some less predictable cap casualties will occur.&nbsp; There may be
a buried option or two allowing a player to void his contract and become a free
agent.&nbsp; That said, good pass rushers are the NFL's most sought after
commodity.&nbsp; They won't come cheaply, but until the Cards can lure one to
Arizona, the Big Red will never have much credibility as a contender and they
won't have a successful coach..&nbsp; </p>
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I remember something to the effect that compensation for restricted free agents has to be your own pick and not a traded pick??? If I am wrong i apologize.



Adewale Ogunleye has been a pass rushing force for both of the last
two years. The Dolphins will enter the off-season with major cap problems
and though they will make a qualifying offer, they won't have the money to match
other teams. To play in this signing war, the Cards would start by trading
their first round pick for a much lower selection, as they will have to
surrender it if they sign him. They will also have to surrender plenty of
cash. It is true he is helped by a strong surrounding cast, but it is also true
he may be the best pass rusher within the Cards' reach.
 

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Grant Wistrom will likely be the most sought after pass rusher in this group. The Jets financial situation and the existence of alternatives, make it likely he will hit the market. He would be the impact player the Cards desire, but it is hard to picture him ignoring all his suitors who will likely offer better playoff opportunities, if not more money.

Doesn't Wistrom play for the Rams?
 

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I'm not sure how they're going to fix it, but the Titans are almost 16.5 million over the cap for next year. They need to be clearing room, not compounding the problem with signing Kearse.

I don't think he's a lock to come onto the market, but neither do I think he's a lock to be tagged.
 

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Great article Harry but I am wondering what about the rest of the UFA Tackles. I know there are better ones that will be available then the butter churners that we have. What is your take on them?




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Originally posted by Zona99
I know there are better ones that will be available then the butter churners that we have.

I know you didn't ask me Mike (and I'm okay with that;)), but I think the lack of a true speed pass-rusher has made our tackles look worse than they actually are. Bell, Davis and Tanner --maybe even Bryant with the right coaching--are all pretty good, IMO, and if we can find a guy to come off the edge they'll show tons of improvement.

I'm not saying we can't upgrade the position (like you, I'm sure there ARE better guys out there), but I don't think it's the priority some are making it out to be.
 

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Harry, one possibility for the Titans is that they re-sign Kearse but release Kevin Carter. What do you think about him as a possible option here? He's not the pure rusher that Kearse is, but can make a great impact here.
 

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Originally posted by Mrospi
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I remember something to the effect that compensation for restricted free agents has to be your own pick and not a traded pick??? If I am wrong i apologize.

I think you have to give your highest pick rather than 'your own' pick, but I'm unsure.

Pete
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
Harry, one possibility for the Titans is that they re-sign Kearse but release Kevin Carter. What do you think about him as a possible option here? He's not the pure rusher that Kearse is, but can make a great impact here.

Carter has the biggest cap number of any Titan in 2004 - something like over $11 million.
 

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The pick doesn't have to be a 1st rounder either. It is what is agreed on between the 2 clubs. ie: If a RFA player is given the mid or the top tender and the team with the player that you want and they accept lets say a 2nd rounder for him thats all you give up.




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Originally posted by Zona99
The pick doesn't have to be a 1st rounder either. It is what is agreed on between the 2 clubs. ie: If a RFA player is given the mid or the top tender and the team with the player that you want and they accept lets say a 2nd rounder for him thats all you give up.




Mike

Mike - I've never heard this before... do you have a source on that? I know it's like that for "Franchise" players, but I'm fuzzy on it about RFAs.
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
Mike - I've never heard this before... do you have a source on that? I know it's like that for "Franchise" players, but I'm fuzzy on it about RFAs.


No your right K9.

There is no agreement as far as I know. It depends on the tender offer you give the player as a RFA.

You cant negotiate the pick it is set by the league.
 

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Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
No your right K9.

There is no agreement as far as I know. It depends on the tender offer you give the player as a RFA.

You cant negotiate the pick it is set by the league.

I guess that you can work it out that the team agrees to the trade, the player signs the tender, and then gets traded to the team for the agreed-upon picks, but I can't imagine why a team would want to do that a year before you might want to franchise him or when you have at least another 12 months to work out a new deal.
 

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Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
You cant negotiate the pick it is set by the league.

Yes and no....

Correct, you can't negotiate the pick, but the player can be signed to his tender and then traded to another team, where he'll receive a new contract.

The 49'ers slapped a 1st round tender on Tai Streets last year, but openly shopped him around for a 2nd round pick.
 

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If Darren Howard is let go then he's the guy.I think he battled injuries this past year and that was the reason for his moderate sack total.The DE from Miami would also be nice but not at the expense of a #1 draft pick.
 

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Wherein Lies the Problem?

Harry - Nice piece.

Have to wonder, though. Is our D-Line problem due primarily to a lack of talent or lack of development of the guys we already have?

Would we be better off having a new D-line coach come in and straighten out the problem than we would spending cap money and energy chasing after what to me looks like a mediocre FA pool of pass rushers?

Finally - If we could finally add some genuine dominating strength and bulk to the interior of our D-Line, would this improve the effectiveness of our DE's?
 
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Here is the league policy on restricted free agents:

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at the Player’s Original Draft Round (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $605,000 OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $1.318 million OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection and Third Round Draft Selection (both from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $1.758 million OR at least 110% of the player's prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

In the event a Prior Club withdraws its Qualifying Offer, the RFA immediately becomes an UFA.
 

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Originally posted by Pariah
I know you didn't ask me Mike (and I'm okay with that;)), but I think the lack of a true speed pass-rusher has made our tackles look worse than they actually are. Bell, Davis and Tanner --maybe even Bryant with the right coaching--are all pretty good, IMO, and if we can find a guy to come off the edge they'll show tons of improvement.

Not to be contentious Pariah, but why would that be? I never see two defensive linemen (e.g. and tackle and a guard) double teaming an opposing DE.

Sometimes I see an RB "chip" a DE (the DEs must hate that by the way). Would you be referring to assigning a different blocking responsibility for RBs or something?

I understand there are many possible changes to pass blocking schemes to counter a good pass rushing DE, but could you please briefly explain how they might benefit a DT? Anybody else with some insight please respond too.
 

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Crimson...You basically asnswered your own question. RB's are not only there to chip DE's. If a RB steps outside to help contain a DE that's gotten penetration , then there's no help for the QB in the event a DT gets pass the interior O-Line . RB's that stay in to pass protect are not so much to chip DE's, as they are to protect any disruptions to the QB making his reads. ( Basically they block the first person to break containment from the o-line. If we had a DE that could quickly get accross they line of scrimmage, & force the QB to step up in the pocket, it would greatly increase the production of our DT's that have penetrated the interior line. Also it would increase the overall defense, secondary & LB's do not have to cover offensive players for 6 seconds or better.
 

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Originally posted by BIGDADDY_REDBIRD
Crimson...You basically asnswered your own question. RB's are not only there to chip DE's. If a RB steps outside to help contain a DE that's gotten penetration , then there's no help for the QB in the event a DT gets pass the interior O-Line . RB's that stay in to pass protect are not so much to chip DE's, as they are to protect any disruptions to the QB making his reads. ( Basically they block the first person to break containment from the o-line. If we had a DE that could quickly get accross they line of scrimmage, & force the QB to step up in the pocket, it would greatly increase the production of our DT's that have penetrated the interior line. Also it would increase the overall defense, secondary & LB's do not have to cover offensive players for 6 seconds or better.

yeah, that makes sense BigDaddy. 'ppreciate it. :D
 
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The point about the impact every rusher has on the play of the others is crucial. If one DE gets in and a back has been left in to block on that side, he occupies that back. So even if that rusher can't get to the QB, the others have a better shot. If you have a pass rusher good enough to demand a double team, that enhances the others chances. The above post was entirely correct, that a speed rusher (like Rice) often forces the QB up into the pocket and a good push from the DTs can give them a sack. Bryant and Bell showed signs in the past of being able to penetrate some. It takes a great tackle (like Sapp) to get to a QB in the middle if he took a 5 step drop and doesn't step up. Adding one rusher on the outside will improve the play of everyone else in that line. Add a really good one and a just a decent one on the outside and the DTs play may be elevated considerably.

That said, I thought Tanner played better last season than this season. I didn't see much of anything from Bryant and Bell didn't progress. Oddly, Wakefield played terribly until he was sat down, then he played like a demon after his return. I figure 4 of the DL guys (at least) are not on the team at the start of next season.
 
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And to think we had our chance and let Suggs slip away. Sorry to sound like a broken record but facts are facts.

The Cardinals had a chance to select the best pass rusher available in last years draft and for some asinine reason did not.

What makes it even worse is that we wouldnt have had to surrender any draft choice at all since it was our own. (ala Jevon Kearse to give up two first round choices and distort the payroll)

OK I feel better now that I vented!!!

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