Deflate gate my arse!!

[GatorAZ]

It's hard for me to label any single player the greatest in such a team oriented sport. People are saying that now he's the GOAT. Well would he not be the GOAT if Seattle handed the ball to Lynch? So in fact his legacy was cemented while he was on the sideline? :head scratcher:

 

[Shane]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...om-brady-is-the-greatest-qb-of-super-bowl-era

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Anyone else dumbfounded Beliichick didn't call a TO at any point in that final Seahawks drive? It looked for certain they would score. Why not give Brady a chance to get it midfield for a FG? Struck me as odd considering the circumstances.

If the Hawks punch it in there, We are talking about Belichik's huge blunder IMO.

No idea what the hell he was thinking by not taking a TO there.

 

[TRW]

It's hard for me to label any single player the greatest in such a team oriented sport. People are saying that now he's the GOAT. Well would he not be the GOAT if Seattle handed the ball to Lynch? So in fact his legacy was cemented while he was on the sideline? :head scratcher:

He would be the GOAT to me even if NE had lost last night.

 

[Chopper0080]

Either way it is a tough call. Montana has better players and better coaches but he also played in a tougher NFL.

It's personal opinion as to which is better.

Each have their merits and drawbacks.

Montana, played in a non salary cap league. This made their roster full of all stars in way that can't be done today. They had a competitive advanatge over many teams in terms of talent alone. That doesn't diminish what they did, it just means that Montana was always surrounded by top talent. Brady hasn't been.

Brady, plays in an offensively skewed league right now, and really for the past 5 years. What is interesting is that Brady has won only one Super Bowl in that time. Montana was nearly as protected as Brady has been, and the league wasn't as pass happy as it is now.

If you ask me who has had the more impressive career, it is Brady. That takes nothing away from Montana. I just feel that it is more impressive to build a dynasty and win multiple championships in an era designed for parity vs. an era designed for dynasties.

 

[Azlen]

The New York Post is not impressed.

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[kerouac9]

I think when all is said and done, Brady will have played with a fair amount of Hall of Famers.

Willie McGinest belongs.
Vince Wilfork belongs.
Darelle Revis belongs.
Randy Moss will go.
If Gronkowski keeps this up, he'll go.

Add in a bunch of guys like Asante Samuel, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, a host of other Pro Bowlers and All-Pros, and I don't see how you can really complain about the talent Brady's had surrounding him during his career.

 

[Covert Rain]

Brady's certainly led a charmed career, I'll give him that.

No way do I put him ahead of Montana though. If Montana had played with the same flag football rules, he wouldn't have been as beat up and would have dominated even more than he did. 4-0 in the Super Bowl, 11TD/0INT. That's far better than Brady's numbers and Montana won a SB before Rice ever came along. Throw in the caught cheating and suspected cheating and I think it's still an easy choice saying Montana's the king.

This. No way is Brady ahead of Montana. PERIOD. This coming from a 49er HATER.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Tom Brady = the best QB in NFL history!!

Name me one QB that had accomplished this or anything close without multiple other HOFers at multiple other positions!!

Absolute beast of a QB dude has nerves of steel!!!

Agree 100%. Dude is the man!

 

[Chopper0080]

I think when all is said and done, Brady will have played with a fair amount of Hall of Famers.

Willie McGinest belongs.
Vince Wilfork belongs.
Darelle Revis belongs.
Randy Moss will go.
If Gronkowski keeps this up, he'll go.

Add in a bunch of guys like Asante Samuel, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, a host of other Pro Bowlers and All-Pros, and I don't see how you can really complain about the talent Brady's had surrounding him during his career.

Yes, but it is different than the talent that the pre-salary cap Steelers, Dolphins, Cowboys, and 49ers had. Those teams were loaded. The Patriots have done well managing their roster in relation to a salary cap, but the difference between eras is similar to the rule differences. It is just a different set of conditions.

 

[New Mexico]

Tom Brady = the best QB in NFL history!!

Name me one QB that had accomplished this or anything close without multiple other HOFers at multiple other positions!!

Absolute beast of a QB dude has nerves of steel!!!

Hugh? Brady may be the best QB in history (debateable) and have nerves of steel, but what does that have to do with deflategate? Just because he may be the best doesn't mean the rules don't apply to him or that he wasn't cheating.

 

[Russ Smith]

What makes the pats run remarkable is how low they have drafted all these years. That's why it's clear Brady is the key, they keep rebuilding but the one constant has been Brady and Belichick.

 

[Iceman]

The New York Post is not impressed.

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Is this for real?

 

[Bert]

Who drove them into position with the game on the line to get the FG's?

Yep, some people are blinded by hate.

ESPECIALLY all the Brady haters in the media, which is why all they want to talk about is that last play.

Nevermind that Brady led his team on 2 incredible 4th quarter drives in which he was like 14-16 with 2 TD's. IN THE 4th QUARTER! You know, against the "greatest defense ever."

That was one of the most clutch performances by a QB in super bowl history!

 

[Buckybird]

Tom Brady = the best QB in NFL history!!

Name me one QB that had accomplished this or anything close without multiple other HOFers at multiple other positions!!

Absolute beast of a QB dude has nerves of steel!!!

Helluva a QB & good dude I'll give you that. I'd still take Montana on my team before him

 

[Hollywood]

Helluva a QB & good dude I'll give you that. I'd still take Montana on my team before him

There is no wrong answer. Would you like your million dollars in cash or check?

 

[Azlen]

Is this for real?

Yep

http://nypost.com/cover/

 

[bg7brd]

I don't see any reason to put one above the other. IMHO they both belong on the mantel.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

There is no wrong answer. Would you like your million dollars in cash or check?

Bad comparison......cash, or gold.
Checks bounce, get canceled etc...

 

[Hollywood]

Bad comparison......cash, or gold.
Checks bounce, get canceled etc...

Yeah. I realized that as I was posting it but nothing else came to mind. Then right after I thought million dollar winning lotto ticket to be PowerBar or megamillion. But I lazyed out

 

[Catfish]

But then there WAS:

Plowing the snow off the field for a field goal attempt when it was not offered to the opponent.

Unauthorized taping of the opponent's play calls.

Accusations of deflate gate, and whatever that might lead to once the investigation is completed.

AND now there will almost surely be concussiongate for continuing to allow play without benefit of concussion protocol being used, (even after they were notified of the player's symptoms by people who are charged with such notification).

You can probably add to that, an unabashed effort by one of the most powerful owners in the league to deflect criticism of his franchise's checkered past, by bullying media types upon his arrival in the Valley, and demanding an apology from the commissioner. As a retired law enforcement official, I can equate the 'squeaky wheel that always gets the grease', with the one who very often tries to get attention focused elsewhere than on himself and those he is responsible for.

 

[NJCardFan]

Tom Brady = the best QB in NFL history!!

Name me one QB that had accomplished this or anything close without multiple other HOFers at multiple other positions!!

Absolute beast of a QB dude has nerves of steel!!!

I was debating this earlier today. Who is better, Montana or Brady. To answer that question honestly one has to remove their biases. Back when the 49ers were winning championships, they were looked at as a class organization with class players. Outside of Romanowski, you'd be hard pressed to name me a 49ers player who was classless. The Patriots' reputation, however, is less than stellar. If the spy-gate accusation is never made(made by Bellichick's own former DC) deflate-gate wouldn't be as big and the Patriots will be looked at in a much different light but after watching this team for a decade and a half(this right there has them surpass SF in success), Brady could have been given a wet sponge and still had the same outcomes.

That said, I give Brady a slight edge over Montana. While Montana's Super Bowl wins were more impressive(scoring 55 points on what was then the #1 defense in the league), Brady accomplished something Montana never did and that was go to and win Super Bowls 10 years apart. Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman won multiple Super Bowls in a relative short period of time but Brady took his team to 6 in 12 seasons as a starter. That is plum crazy not to mention that Brady is 37 years old which is near ancient when it comes to an NFL QB. Elway was 38 when he made and won his last Super Bowl. IMO, had the Patriots lost on Sunday, Brady's legacy would still be intact.

Also, if you look at sheer talent, Montana had significantly better players to work with. Can you imagine Brady's success with a Jerry Rice or a Rodger Craig backing him up? With the exception of Randy Moss, Brady never had that deep threat and he never had that type of back like an Emmitt Smith, Franco Harris, or a Craig and yet he still won...a lot. And the proof is in the pudding. How many NE players had any modicum of success after leaving NE? Not many. Of course Bellichick's system plays into this but do you think the Patriots go to 6 Super Bowls in 14 seasons with Matt Cassel or Drew Bledsoe? I think not. Haters are still going to hate but I would love to have had Tom Brady as my QB.

 

[NJCardFan]

Well at least he won this one... Vinateri won the others with his leg if I recall correctly��

And who got Vinateri in position to win those games? You're bias is showing. To suggest Brady had nothing to do with those wins is foolish.

 

[NJCardFan]

It's hard for me to label any single player the greatest in such a team oriented sport. People are saying that now he's the GOAT. Well would he not be the GOAT if Seattle handed the ball to Lynch? So in fact his legacy was cemented while he was on the sideline? :head scratcher:

No. His legacy would be intact had the Patriots lost on Sunday. The man took his team to the Super Bowl 6 times and to the conference championship 9 times in his career. Even Montana doesn't sniff that level of success.

 

[NJCardFan]

I think when all is said and done, Brady will have played with a fair amount of Hall of Famers.

Willie McGinest belongs.
Vince Wilfork belongs.
Darelle Revis belongs.
Randy Moss will go.
If Gronkowski keeps this up, he'll go.

Add in a bunch of guys like Asante Samuel, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, a host of other Pro Bowlers and All-Pros, and I don't see how you can really complain about the talent Brady's had surrounding him during his career.

Most of the players you mentioned are defensive players except for Gronk and Moss and Brady only played with him 3 seasons. Now name me one other offensive player Brady had at his disposal who had a hall of fame career.