Diamondbacks Making One More Run At Free Agents

[Phrazbit]

Damnit...

The team continues to get older and more expensive, while not getting noticeably better. Whoever takes over for Towers is going to have a real f'ing disaster on their hands.

 

[Dback Jon]

Damnit...

The team continues to get older and more expensive, while not getting noticeably better. Whoever takes over for Towers is going to have a real f'ing disaster on their hands.

If it is only a two year deal, then Arroyo will not be a problem.

And Towers didn't give up Bradley. We have a lot of youth still:

1B: Goldy
SS: Didi or Owings
OF: Pollack and Parra


Prado and Montero are both 30, so still have some time in them.

Rotation with Bradley, Cahill, etc.

 

[Phrazbit]

Skaggs is gone, Cahill is below average and grossly overpaid (and it only gets worse over the next few years), Didi and Owings are redundant, I am not as enamored with Pollack as some, I like the guy but he is a 4th outfielder. Our minor league system two years ago was viewed as one of the most loaded in the league, two years later and its virtually barren.

The problem with Arroyo is it further handcuffs us from bring in legit talent over the next two years. All so we can have a 37 year old #4 starter with a ERA in the 4s. Its another in a series of baffling moves.

Towers spent all off season banging the drum of getting an ace and a big outfield bat. At the expense of more prospects and now a big chunk of cash he lands a .230 hitter and Bronson Freaking Arroyo. If this was another franchise I'd find it hilarious.

 

[Dback Jon]

Skaggs is gone, Cahill is below average and grossly overpaid (and it only gets worse over the next few years), Didi and Owings are redundant, I am not as enamored with Pollack as some, I like the guy but he is a 4th outfielder. Our minor league system two years ago was viewed as one of the most loaded in the league, two years later and its virtually barren.

The problem with Arroyo is it further handcuffs us from bring in legit talent over the next two years. All so we can have a 37 year old #4 starter with a ERA in the 4s. Its another in a series of baffling moves.

Towers spent all off season banging the drum of getting an ace and a big outfield bat. At the expense of more prospects and now a big chunk of cash he lands a .230 hitter and Bronson Freaking Arroyo. If this was another franchise I'd find it hilarious.

You are right on Skaggs.

Oh - and Trumbo is young - just turned 28

 

[PDXChris]

In the last 5 years, his ERA has done over 3.88 once and was the second best pitcher on the Reds playoff team last year. We have not idea how any of our pitchers will do this year, including Corbin. At least Arroyo has been pretty gosh darn consistent over the last 5-7 years. I am giving him 14 wins, 200 innings and an ERA of 3.80 this year.

 

[PDXChris]

You are right on Skaggs.

Oh - and Trumbo is young - just turned 28

Just give up, you are arguing with someone who freaked out over Cliff Pennington making $1.75 million last year as our defensive backup infielder.

Wait until he sees that Cliff's salary bumps up to $2.75 million this year.

BTW, I called Willie being hurt most of last year and Cliff being valuable. Ended up playing in 96 games and hit .242 and only 5 errors.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...il-extension-191337.html?highlight=pennington

 

[Phrazbit]

You are right on Skaggs.

Oh - and Trumbo is young - just turned 28

Trumbo is young in the worldly sense but as an athlete he is around the middle of his career. And Trumbo's quality, especially as an outfielder is rather dubious. If you have a below .300 OBP and you're bad in the field then you're a lousy player. Trumbo needs to seriously improve his OBP to be worth much.

In the last 5 years, his ERA has done over 3.88 once and was the second best pitcher on the Reds playoff team last year. We have not idea how any of our pitchers will do this year, including Corbin. At least Arroyo has been pretty gosh darn consistent over the last 5-7 years. I am giving him 14 wins, 200 innings and an ERA of 3.80 this year.

A 4.3 ERA away from home over the last 3 years and he is about to turn 37. Led the NL in home runs surrendered LAST YEAR. Over the last 3 seasons he has given up more home runs than any pitcher in baseball.

You're right, we dont have any indication how these guys will do, but given the predictors we have to work with Bronson Arroyo is probably in for a rough year.

 

[Phrazbit]

Just give up, you are arguing with someone who freaked out over Cliff Pennington making $1.75 million last year as our defensive backup infielder.

Wait until he sees that Cliff's salary bumps up to $2.75 million this year.

BTW, I called Willie being hurt most of last year and Cliff being valuable. Ended up playing in 96 games and hit .242 and only 5 errors.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...il-extension-191337.html?highlight=pennington

Yeah, what was I thinking questioning giving a guy with a low 600s OPS a two year deal when we already had several better players in the system. Good thing we have a 2.75 million sub par, backup to the backup at short stop.

I get pissed about waste. Especially when so many here cry that the Dbacks are handcuffed financially. The real problem is they handcuff themselves by flushing money away on replacement level players.

 

[AZ Native]

His ERA averaged 4.2 the last 3 years in sticky Cincinnati. No telling what it will be in a hitter's park like Chase.

Saw this on EPSN: Arroyo, who turns 37 later this month, will make a base salary of $9.5 million this season and in 2015, according to the source. The deal includes an $11 million club option for 2016 and a $4.5 million buyout. If the Diamondbacks decline to exercise the option, he'll receive a guaranteed $23.5 million, or $30 million if the team exercises the option.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Skaggs is gone, Cahill is below average and grossly overpaid (and it only gets worse over the next few years), Didi and Owings are redundant, I am not as enamored with Pollack as some, I like the guy but he is a 4th outfielder. Our minor league system two years ago was viewed as one of the most loaded in the league, two years later and its virtually barren.

The problem with Arroyo is it further handcuffs us from bring in legit talent over the next two years. All so we can have a 37 year old #4 starter with a ERA in the 4s. Its another in a series of baffling moves.

Towers spent all off season banging the drum of getting an ace and a big outfield bat. At the expense of more prospects and now a big chunk of cash he lands a .230 hitter and Bronson Freaking Arroyo. If this was another franchise I'd find it hilarious.

Just curious... The players that created that "loaded" farm system - where are they all today and how are they doing??


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[Lefty]

Jarrod Parker sure would look good in the Diamondbacks rotation.

 

[PDXChris]

I just realized that Parker is 3 months younger than Cahill. I always assume Cahill was much older since he had pitched 3 full season more than Parker.

Anyways, when the trade happened, I was not happy. Now looking at the stats, they are very close to each other. Neither are studs and the A's get the advantage of cost control for one more season when Parker will start to see more money. If that is the worst trade made, then I don't know what to say.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Jarrod Parker sure would look good in the Diamondbacks rotation.

So Parker, who thus far has matched Cahill for all intents and purposes, is what made our system "loaded"? Seriously??


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[coyoteshockeyfan]

Jarrod Parker has been slightly better (and healthier) than Cahill at a total cost of less than $1M where as Cahill has been paid $9M with $20M still coming to him. Given how Parker's ancillary numbers look, the gap is likely to only grow. Oh yeah, and while the included Ryan Cook was shutting batters down, the Bullpen Maestro treated us to Heath Bell. But yeah, nothing to see here...

 

[82CardsGrad]

Jarrod Parker has been slightly better (and healthier) than Cahill at a total cost of less than $1M where as Cahill has been paid $9M with $20M still coming to him. Given how Parker's ancillary numbers look, the gap is likely to only grow. Oh yeah, and while the included Ryan Cook was shutting batters down, the Bullpen Maestro treated us to Heath Bell. But yeah, nothing to see here...

FWIW, I'm not talking about the merits of the Parker trade... A comment was made about our "loaded systems two years ago". So, who were those players that created our "loaded system" and what are they doing today??



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[Phrazbit]

I just realized that Parker is 3 months younger than Cahill. I always assume Cahill was much older since he had pitched 3 full season more than Parker.

Anyways, when the trade happened, I was not happy. Now looking at the stats, they are very close to each other. Neither are studs and the A's get the advantage of cost control for one more season when Parker will start to see more money. If that is the worst trade made, then I don't know what to say.

Cahill makes 10 times what Parker does and we also gave up Ryan Cook, a young All-Star reliever who would have been better than anyone in our pen the last 2 years.

It was a horrid trade.

 

[Phrazbit]

FWIW, I'm not talking about the merits of the Parker trade... A comment was made about our "loaded systems two years ago". So, who were those players that created our "loaded system" and what are they doing today??



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Well, Parker is in Oakland looking good, Cook is in Oakland and is an all-star.

Davidson and Eaton are in Chicago and both are still considered have solid starting potential.

Owings is here, but will have to fight with Didi for playing time. Bauer is gone and has struggled.

Bryan Shaw is in Cleveland, despite being one of our top bullpen prospects he was randomly tossed into the Bauer/Didi trade. He went 7-3 with a 3.24 ERA doing relief work in Cleveland.

Bobby Borchering stalled out in the minors.

Corbin and Miley are up with the big club.

Bradley is here but we seem dead set on blocking him with high salary back end starters.

Holmberg was traded for nothing in an effort to erase the idiotic Bell trade.

Skaggs we gave up on at the ripe old age of 22 but is still considered a high level prospect.

Pollock his here and looks like a somewhere between an average starter or a good 4th OF.

Chris Johnson contended for the batting title in Atlanta last year.


So... just most would expect of minor league prospects, its a mixed bag. Some are thriving, some are still working their way up, some have fallen off the map. But unfortunately several of the succeeding ones are in other cities and were given up for very little return.

But the perging of the system really took a huge leap this summer. It will be interesting to revisit this in a year now that Eaton, Davidson and Skaggs will all likely get some serious time to show what they're worth. If Trumbo contiues to post a below .300 OPB then those dudes will have to seriously suck for those trades to not be a complete embarrassment.