Did Bill-A-Cheat Strike Again

[BigRedRage]

Funny how every time the Patriots have success it comes out that they were cheating in one way or another.

 

[cardpa]

Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport

Heard this on the radio this morning. My question is what the hell were the referees doing all game? Shouldn't they have noticed that the Patriot footballs were not inflated to the correct pressure?

When I was a soccer referee part of my job was to check the inflation of the soccer balls and more than once I either had a team take air out of a ball or add air to a ball. I used to carry a pressure gauge with me to check them. Hell I even tried a couple of times to use some under inflated balls when I coached because I had a team that was not blessed with speed and the Referees caught it. My approach was I knew they were a bit under inflated so I thought hey its their job to check them let's see if they do or not. If they don't advantage to us. To me this is an indictment of the officiating crew more than the Patriots.

 

[JS22]

I think lot of people are missing the point. Is this why the Colts got spanked around? No. But it should make you wonder what else the Patriots are doing to gain an advantage.

Although, the Ravens game is much more interesting considering it was close.

Baltimore's kicking and punting units were not getting their normal depth and distance, and some believed the balls they were using may have been deflated.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...ink-footballs-were-under-inflated-vs-patriots

 

[Bodha]

I think lot of people are missing the point. Is this why the Colts got spanked around? No. But it should make you wonder what else the Patriots are doing to gain an advantage.

Like what? Do they use 12 players? Do the kickers have steel toed boots on?

Anything else they might do is equally as irrelevant as deflated balls. None of it makes enough of a difference to acknowledge. Itd be like taking off at 19 Mississippi instead of 20 when playing hide and go seek.

anybody outraged by this is grasping at straws as "the reason'' your team got obliterated by a far superior team.

 

[imaCafan]

Like what? Do they use 12 players? Do the kickers have steel toed boots on?

Anything else they might do is equally as irrelevant as deflated balls. None of it makes enough of a difference to acknowledge. Itd be like taking off at 19 Mississippi instead of 20 when playing hide and go seek.

anybody outraged by this is grasping at straws as "the reason'' your team got obliterated by a far superior team.

Why do they do it then???

 

[JS22]

Like what? Do they use 12 players? Do the kickers have steel toed boots on?

Anything else they might do is equally as irrelevant as deflated balls. None of it makes enough of a difference to acknowledge. Itd be like taking off at 19 Mississippi instead of 20 when playing hide and go seek.

anybody outraged by this is grasping at straws as "the reason'' your team got obliterated by a far superior team.

Huh?

Nobody is saying that this is the reason the Colts got smacked around. The Ravens might have a legitimate argument though, if it's true. Field position is one of the most important aspects of football.

What else could they do? I don't know, record the Rams practices before the Super Bowl? Who's to say New England isn't finding other ways to gain an advantage? Just speculation.

Although I'll bet the Patriots aren't the only team doing things like this. They've just been caught. Twice. Makes you wonder what else they're up to.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Doesn't change the outcome of the game, but its still cheating, and cheating has to have a consequence. In a professional sport it should be a severe consequence. If you do not have a consequence, then you might as well be the WWF.

This whole thing really tarnishes the league going into the most news hyped weeks in football. It is a PR disaster for the NFL.

This does not happen without the knowledge of the coach or the QB. If in doubt, it should be the coach. It should be a major fine and the coach should be suspended for the next game, yes, the Super Bowl.

 

[Russ Smith]

They talked about it on Mike and Mike this morning. Greenie held 2 footballs on a tv show the other day, one was inflated to 13 PSI(legal) one was 9(not legal) he said he could tell the difference but only because he was aware of the controversy.

But then Golic said look it's just like steroids, if there was no competitive advantage why do so many people do them? If the Pats didn't think they were getting an advantage, they wouldn't have done it.

I doubt it impacted the outcome of this game at all but if 11 of the 12 balls were intentionally underinflated, they should be penalized somehow.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I doubt it impacted the outcome of this game at all but if 11 of the 12 balls were intentionally underinflated, they should be penalized somehow.

I agree, but as someone else stated it's a PR nightmare. Also the is a code of conduct for the players, so wouldn't it be reasonable to assume there is one for management?

I would also state the management be held to a higher standard then that of the players.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think lot of people are missing the point. Is this why the Colts got spanked around? No. But it should make you wonder what else the Patriots are doing to gain an advantage.

Although, the Ravens game is much more interesting considering it was close.

And apparently Andrew Luck has a friend or friends on the Ravens team who told him they believed the Pats were giving them under inflated balls to kick and that's why Luck at some point grabbed one of the Patriots game balls, thought it was under inflated, and told his coaches who told the refs.

 

[BigRedRage]

And apparently Andrew Luck has a friend or friends on the Ravens team who told him they believed the Pats were giving them under inflated balls to kick and that's why Luck at some point grabbed one of the Patriots game balls, thought it was under inflated, and told his coaches who told the refs.

The word is they found out from the interception, not from luck

 

[NJCardFan]

The MLB doesn't regulate bats but sometimes checks them if the opposing teams complain of pine tar. I remember Sammy Sosa getting busted for using a corked bat.

He got busted for the cork bat because the bat broke exposing the cork. Albert Bell was accused of the same thing. The umpires confiscated the bat and put it in an office. Jason Grimsley was able to sneak into the office through the ceiling and replaced the bat, as the story goes.

 

[Bodha]

Why do they do it then???

personal preference.

Why do some QBs use gloves? Why do some use handwarmers and others don't?


Id say its more than fair to argue that a QB wearing gloves is a bigger advantage than a softer ball. Far better grip. More spin, less likely to fumble.

and yet QB gloves are OK.

If your team is stomped 47-7, is it because the opposing QB wore gloves?


This is a non-story and a flavor of the week topic. Its unfortunate it has to come at the expense of an otherwise very exciting superbowl matchup.

 

[NJCardFan]

Yes. Yankee manager Billy Martin complained to the umpire.

The problem was, and this was Dick Houser's protest. That if Martin had an issue with the bat it had to be brought up before the ball was put into play. Martin waited until Brett hit a dinger before complaining about it. Had Brett singled or made an out, Martin wouldn't have said a word. The league agreed with Houser and the game had to be continued at the time of the home run, 25 days later. The issue with pine tar in this instance wasn't that it gave the hitter any kind of advantage but rather it could spoil the ball if the pitched ball hit an area on the bat with the pine tar on it.

 

[NJCardFan]

Here's the Sammy Sosa incident:

 

[cardpa]

They talked about it on Mike and Mike this morning. Greenie held 2 footballs on a tv show the other day, one was inflated to 13 PSI(legal) one was 9(not legal) he said he could tell the difference but only because he was aware of the controversy.

But then Golic said look it's just like steroids, if there was no competitive advantage why do so many people do them? If the Pats didn't think they were getting an advantage, they wouldn't have done it.

I doubt it impacted the outcome of this game at all but if 11 of the 12 balls were intentionally underinflated, they should be penalized somehow.

All I know is as a soccer referee I could easily tell when a ball was under inflated especially if there was a drastic difference and in the case of 13 to 9 PSI that is a big difference. The referees should have noticed it way before it was brought to their attention.

 

[BigRedRage]

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[Bodha]

All I know is as a soccer referee I could easily tell when a ball was under inflated especially if there was a drastic difference and in the case of 13 to 9 PSI that is a big difference. The referees should have noticed it way before it was brought to their attention.

OT- Q

As a soccer referee, how much leeway do you have when making a call on flopping? I personally cant watch soccer because the theatric flopping disgusts me. But worse yet, it works. If it didn't, then they wouldn't continue to do it.

If you see a guy do summersaults on the grass clutching at his ankle while weeping actual tears, can you say tell him to get up, or do you still award the pentalty?

When I do watch soccer, it seems like the ref is the only guy in the building who doesn't see flops for flops.

(hint) if the guy is acting like a 4 year old in toys r us, its a flop

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

OT- Q

As a soccer referee, how much leeway do you have when making a call on flopping? I personally cant watch soccer because the theatric flopping disgusts me. But worse yet, it works. If it didn't, then they wouldn't continue to do it.

If you see a guy do summersaults on the grass clutching at his ankle while weeping actual tears, can you say tell him to get up, or do you still award the pentalty?

When I do watch soccer, it seems like the ref is the only guy in the building who doesn't see flops for flops.

(hint) if the guy is acting like a 4 year old in toys r us, its a flop

Watch Women's soccer.. 95% less flopping.

I agree, Men's soccer is ridiculous, basketball is heading that direction.


Getting caught in the act of "acting" should draw an unsportsmanlike penalty in all sports.

 

[Bodha]

Watch Women's soccer.. 95% less flopping.

I agree, Men's soccer is ridiculous, basketball is heading that direction.


Getting caught in the act of "acting" should draw an unsportsmanlike penalty in all sports.

I actually do like womens soccer more than mens when the world cups and all that come around.

Basketball isn't even close to soccer. Basketball flopping to soccer flopping is the difference between that bootleg copy of The Terminator, and Avatar 2.

Basketball flopping is groan worthy, and you can ridicule the guy.

soccer flopping is embarrassing to our species. Its on another level.

 

[Russ Smith]

The word is they found out from the interception, not from luck

Interesting.

Funny how with these stories so often the original version and the end version wind up not being the same. They'd been talking locally that Luck was the one who first noticed it because he picked up one of the balls that went to the sideline at one point and said this ball is way under inflated.

 

[cardpa]

OT- Q

As a soccer referee, how much leeway do you have when making a call on flopping? I personally cant watch soccer because the theatric flopping disgusts me. But worse yet, it works. If it didn't, then they wouldn't continue to do it.

If you see a guy do summersaults on the grass clutching at his ankle while weeping actual tears, can you say tell him to get up, or do you still award the pentalty?

When I do watch soccer, it seems like the ref is the only guy in the building who doesn't see flops for flops.

(hint) if the guy is acting like a 4 year old in toys r us, its a flop

I generally go over to them and tell them do that again and I will card you. If they do it in the penalty area I card them right away, they get no warning. I have even yell at them to get up. That is something I never ever tolerated as a coach and never taught it to my players. I even told them you do it in a game and you will collect splinters sitting on the bench. Once they know they are not going to get away with it they generally stop doing it. They test the referee to see how far they can go with it.

 

[cardpa]

Watch Women's soccer.. 95% less flopping.

I agree, Men's soccer is ridiculous, basketball is heading that direction.


Getting caught in the act of "acting" should draw an unsportsmanlike penalty in all sports.

I agree women's soccer is more fun to watch because they don't pull the same BS Male players try. In all my years of coaching I have always said I would much prefer coaching girls/women's soccer because you don't have to put up with the testosterone. That is not to say there aren't other problems with girls/women however I have found if you are straight up and honest with them, they will give their all for you and you will usually end up with a good team that gets along. Give them your expectations up front and all is generally well. You as a coach must honor your expectations as they will remember them.

 

[Ronin]

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[Brian in Mesa]

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