Did you guys make the Seattle Times upset?

[Catfish]

I know we love to bash Seattle fans as bandwagon fans but we have plenty of bandwagoners here too. I know that the vast majority of us on this board were fans before the new stadium, but where were the throngs of Cardinals fans in the SDS days?

I'm fine with bandwagon fans though. I know that a lot will fall off with each bump the wagon goes over, but those that can survive the ride will stick around.

PS- I hate to see people from high school who talk about how much they love the Cardinals on Facebook when they were the ones teasing me for wearing a Jake Plummer jersey and Cardinals shirts to school.

There were 31,000 of us there in SDS EVERY game. In all fairness, it was boiling in that stadium most of the time. Many people were simply content to go out to a sports bar and watch on TV, or go up to a cabin in the pines and watch on cable. I had a lot of fun in SDS, but I'm sure that I would have had even more fun if Carl Eller and the Phoenix 40 would have kept their promise and given us an air-conditioned stadium like they said they would. Look at what a difference that made in Glendale.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There were 31,000 of us there in SDS EVERY game. In all fairness, it was boiling in that stadium most of the time. Many people were simply content to go out to a sports bar and watch on TV, or go up to a cabin in the pines and watch on cable.

this isn't exactly true... none of the valley could watch those home games at a bar or up in the pines because all of them were blacked out due to non-sellouts. If the team was good, people would have shown up regardless... at least a HELL OF A LOT more people would have then the paltry numbers that did show up.

The new stadium helped TREMENDOUSLY... especially that first year. The novelty alone got people's butts in the seats, but remember, the second year of the stadium's existence, we actually started getting competitive in Wiz's first year which kept those butts in the seats and then the next two years we were in the playoffs. Fans got a taste of winning and wanted to be a part of it. We've had lean years since then, but they've been sprinkled with surprise runs.

Bottom line... there's A LOT of bandwagon fans for the Cards as well. Hell, our fans STILL haven't established complete dominance, evidenced by a really appalling number of Seahawk fans at our last two home games.

 

[BigRedRage]

this isn't exactly true... none of the valley could watch those home games at a bar or up in the pines because all of them were blacked out due to non-sellouts. If the team was good, people would have shown up regardless... at least a HELL OF A LOT more people would have then the paltry numbers that did show up.

The new stadium helped TREMENDOUSLY... especially that first year. The novelty alone got people's butts in the seats, but remember, the second year of the stadium's existence, we actually started getting competitive in Wiz's first year which kept those butts in the seats and then the next two years we were in the playoffs. Fans got a taste of winning and wanted to be a part of it. We've had lean years since then, but they've been sprinkled with surprise runs.

Bottom line... there's A LOT of bandwagon fans for the Cards as well. Hell, our fans STILL haven't established complete dominance, evidenced by a really appalling number of Seahawk fans at our last two home games.

yeah, games werent on TV at sundevil. Had to listen on the radio.

 

[40yearfan]

Do you think they were worried about us a week later, after we came into their house and got crushes 19-3?

10 games into the season, Seattle was 6-4 and coming off a loss to Kanasas City. Seattle fans we worried, but I don't think they were worried about us.

If Palmer was QB, maybe we lose both games by a combined score of 54-20. How many points do you really think Palmer is worth in two games? 45? Really?

If Palmer was still playing the defense wouldn't have swooned in the last 3 or 4 games. They finally gave up because no matter what they did, the offense couldn't score any points. You have to have scoring to win games no matter how good your defense is. If we had been scoring points, the defense would have played much better. If the Seahawk fans weren't worried about us, it was simply because of our injuries. I'll guarantee you they were worried when we were 9 and 1.

And again, I will ask you - are the ASU and UA basketball teams rivals?

 

[Gee!]

I guess I gotta ask.. Who cares if we upset the Seattle Times?

 

[kerouac9]

If Palmer was still playing the defense wouldn't have swooned in the last 3 or 4 games. They finally gave up because no matter what they did, the offense couldn't score any points. You have to have scoring to win games no matter how good your defense is. If we had been scoring points, the defense would have played much better. If the Seahawk fans weren't worried about us, it was simply because of our injuries. I'll guarantee you they were worried when we were 9 and 1.

And again, I will ask you - are the ASU and UA basketball teams rivals?

More spaghetti being thrown at the wall to see what sticks. Even you can't seriously say that Seattle was worried about us when we were 9-1, so you're qualifying into meaninglessness.

Of course the ASU and U of A basketball teams aren't rivals. U of A compares themselves to Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, and UCLA.

 

[AZ Native]

I guess I gotta ask.. Who cares if we upset the Seattle Times?

 

[Hollywood]

More spaghetti being thrown at the wall to see what sticks. Even you can't seriously say that Seattle was worried about us when we were 9-1, so you're qualifying into meaninglessness.

Of course the ASU and U of A basketball teams aren't rivals. U of A compares themselves to Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, and UCLA.

I agree with 40. If our qb's don't go down the season ends VERY differently. Seattle was 2 or 3 games behind us. They might not have even MADE the playoffs.

 

[40yearfan]

More spaghetti being thrown at the wall to see what sticks. Even you can't seriously say that Seattle was worried about us when we were 9-1, so you're qualifying into meaninglessness.

Of course the ASU and U of A basketball teams aren't rivals. U of A compares themselves to Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, and UCLA.

You just don't understand the difference between spaghetti and cold, hard facts. Of course Seattle was worried about us. To think otherwise is ridiculous. They are a good, tough football team, but they were 3 games behind with only 6 games to go. If Palmer AND Stanton hadn't gone down to injuries, they might be sitting at home watching the playoffs on TV.

Ask a real ASU basketball fan if they don't consider UA their biggest rival. I just don't know where you guys come up with the idea that it can't be a rivalry if one team is superior to the other. ANY competitor is a rival. Trying to narrow the definition down is silly in a format like this forum.

 

[Darkside]

Disagree, Seattle wasn't worried about us ever. Seattle was worried about Seattle. They knew if they played well they'd kick our ass and they did. Twice.

 

[40yearfan]

Disagree, Seattle wasn't worried about us ever. Seattle was worried about Seattle. They knew if they played well they'd kick our ass and they did. Twice.

Would they have been able to do so if they were using their third string QB and we had Palmer playing? If they weren't worried about the Cards when the Cards were 9 and 1 and they were 3 games behind, one must question their intelligence.

How is it, you give the Cardinals no credit considering all the injuries? Do you truly believe the Cardinals at full strength like Seattle was would lose both games?

 

[Darkside]

Would they have been able to do so if they were using their third string QB and we had Palmer playing? If they weren't worried about the Cards when the Cards were 9 and 1 and they were 3 games behind, one must question their intelligence.

Doesn't matter if they would have been able, they didn't have to worry about it. The only thing they had to worry about all year was themselves playing poorly. They were a better team than us. It wasn't really that close either.

I have serious doubts they were worried at all about us. They have a complete team. Even with Palmer, our team may not have been SB caliber. I don't know why they'd concern themselves with anything other than playing their best, they've already proven they're a SB team, all they have to do is play to that level and they'd kick our ass.

We hated them because they were the team to beat. We were never that, despite our record early on.

 

[40yearfan]

Doesn't matter if they would have been able, they didn't have to worry about it. The only thing they had to worry about all year was themselves playing poorly. They were a better team than us. It wasn't really that close either.

I have serious doubts they were worried at all about us. They have a complete team. Even with Palmer, our team may not have been SB caliber. I don't know why they'd concern themselves with anything other than playing their best, they've already proven they're a SB team, all they have to do is play to that level and they'd kick our ass.

We hated them because they were the team to beat. We were never that, despite our record early on.

Pure BS. The Cards had a good team and were better coached. They also believed in themselves. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge how badly injuries hurt the Cardinals shows a real lack of faith in their organization. And anyone saying a team at 9 and 1 with a 3 game lead is not the team to beat is not being very honest with themselves.

 

[kerouac9]

Would they have been able to do so if they were using their third string QB and we had Palmer playing? If they weren't worried about the Cards when the Cards were 9 and 1 and they were 3 games behind, one must question their intelligence.

How is it, you give the Cardinals no credit considering all the injuries? Do you truly believe the Cardinals at full strength like Seattle was would lose both games?

We're just not here telling fairy tales to each other. I don't have a lot of time to consider alternate histories, because I'm more concerned about the future.

Right now, I doubt that Seattle fans are concerned about any team in the division. With Harbaugh gone, they stand astride the division like a colossus, like the Pats and Colts.

 

[Darkside]

Pure BS. The Cards had a good team and were better coached. They also believed in themselves. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge how badly injuries hurt the Cardinals shows a real lack of faith in their organization. And anyone saying a team at 9 and 1 with a 3 game lead is not the team to beat is not being very honest with themselves.

Agree with what you're saying, just don't think Seattle was worried about us. We got weaker and weaker as the year went on, due to injuries. Seattle had all their weapons and knew we were devastated by injuries. Even with Palmer I'm not sure they feared us or worried about it, but we didn't even have him when we faced them.

Of course we had a good team and have a great coach, but I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to contend we have a better coach--hate him or not, Carroll has taken that team to two SBs now and chose Wilson as their QB when it made no sense to anyone but him.

Seattle is better in every phase of the game than us, even with Palmer healthy.

 

[Jake6233]

Doesn't matter if they would have been able, they didn't have to worry about it. The only thing they had to worry about all year was themselves playing poorly. They were a better team than us. It wasn't really that close either.

I have serious doubts they were worried at all about us. They have a complete team. Even with Palmer, our team may not have been SB caliber. I don't know why they'd concern themselves with anything other than playing their best, they've already proven they're a SB team, all they have to do is play to that level and they'd kick our ass.

We hated them because they were the team to beat. We were never that, despite our record early on.

If we had Palmer all year the Seahawks would have been playing on wild card weekend regardless if they had a better team.

 

[40yearfan]

We're just not here telling fairy tales to each other. I don't have a lot of time to consider alternate histories, because I'm more concerned about the future.

Right now, I doubt that Seattle fans are concerned about any team in the division. With Harbaugh gone, they stand astride the division like a colossus, like the Pats and Colts.

Then they are idiots. If the injury bug hits them next year or the Rams put a few more pieces together or the Cards come back healthy and Palmer has a great year, things can change overnight. They also are going to have people robbing them left and right of coaches and players. That's why it's so hard to repeat as SB champions.

Wilson has shown he can be handled in the last few games as he does have some weaknesses. If he isn't playing at a high level, the Seahawks are not an elite team. Crown them if you want. Just because someone is riding high now doesn't guarantee they will still be doing so tomorrow.

 

[Darkside]

If we had Palmer all year the Seahawks would have been playing on wild card weekend regardless if they had a better team.

Perhaps but arguable. Personally I think we over-achieved all year due to coaching. Even with Palmer. Making Ellington the focal point of the offense was a disaster, even BA said as much.

We were too average on offense to go anywhere in the playoffs, we may have been bounced in the first round regardless.

With our average offense under Palmer, the only advantage was our ability to generate first downs and time of possession and field position... For our defense.

We just weren't as good as people think. When you see the Pats or Seattle in their championship games, it's obvious we aren't in that league yet.

 

[40yearfan]

Agree with what you're saying, just don't think Seattle was worried about us. We got weaker and weaker as the year went on, due to injuries. Seattle had all their weapons and knew we were devastated by injuries. Even with Palmer I'm not sure they feared us or worried about it, but we didn't even have him when we faced them.

Of course we had a good team and have a great coach, but I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to contend we have a better coach--hate him or not, Carroll has taken that team to two SBs now and chose Wilson as their QB when it made no sense to anyone but him.

Seattle is better in every phase of the game than us, even with Palmer healthy.

Disagree. I think our coaching staff is better than Seattle's and apparently a lot of other people do as we won Coach of the Year and Assistant Coach of the Year from our peers.

And the jury is still out on Wilson. Seems like defenses are able to keep him in check for a large part of the game in the last few games. Eventually, they'll be able to do it for 60 minutes.

Seattle might be better now considering our depleted resources, but that could change next year. Look how quickly the Niners went down.

 

[Darkside]

Disagree. I think our coaching staff is better than Seattle's and apparently a lot of other people do as we won Coach of the Year and Assistant Coach of the Year from our peers.

And the jury is still out on Wilson. Seems like defenses are able to keep him in check for a large part of the game in the last few games. Eventually, they'll be able to do it for 60 minutes.

Seattle might be better now considering our depleted resources, but that could change next year. Look how quickly the Niners went down.

BA won coach of the year for doing more with less. Frankly, I think it's harder to do more with more. It's really hard to stay on top. How many times has Belichick won coach of the year? Yet he's in the playoffs every year for over a decade and gone to, what, 6 freaking SBs now? Lol.

The jury's still out on Wilson? Really? He's a better QB than Palmer and young. Who is this jury? Wilson is one of the best QBs in the NFL. There's really no disputing that.

And Seattle is a very young team. They aren't going anywhere. Contracts may deplete some of it, but they're going to contend and frustrate us for years.

I don't even know why you're arguing. They're a better team, they're younger, they have a better QB who is also young, they're better in every phase. You can argue we have better coaching, but then you're just saying they have younger, better talent. I happen to think Carroll is a good coach. AND they have young talent.

The rivalry is one sided. We want to beat them because they're on top, but I don't think they sweat us at all.

 

[kerouac9]

Then they are idiots. If the injury bug hits them next year or the Rams put a few more pieces together or the Cards come back healthy and Palmer has a great year, things can change overnight. They also are going to have people robbing them left and right of coaches and players. That's why it's so hard to repeat as SB champions.

Wilson has shown he can be handled in the last few games as he does have some weaknesses. If he isn't playing at a high level, the Seahawks are not an elite team. Crown them if you want. Just because someone is riding high now doesn't guarantee they will still be doing so tomorrow.

Seattle had 16 players on injured reserve this year. You're really casting about at ghosts.

 

[Gee!]

Seattle can suck my left nut..

 

[Gee!]

Seattle can suck my left nut..

Only because my vision is blurred in my left eye.. And I don't wanna see it.. But I know Seattle swings that way, and they will do it..

 

[Hollywood]

Seattle can suck my left nut..

Only because my vision is blurred in my left eye.. And I don't wanna see it.. But I know Seattle swings that way, and they will do it..

+1

 

[football karma]

Right now, I doubt that Seattle fans are concerned about any team in the division. With Harbaugh gone, they stand astride the division like a colossus, like the Pats and Colts.

I think Seattle fans have a right to this view --

but human nature also tends to take good fortune for granted and ascribe all positive results to competency

Seattle did everything it had to do with 6 games remaing to put themselves into the 1 seed --

But a key part in the success of that run was to have the team three games ahead in the standings lose its first and second string QB.

Just like Dallas fans hve completely forgotten that having Nick Foles go down played a helpful role in them winning the East.