Did you guys make the Seattle Times upset?

[MigratingOsprey]

My feel of the Seattle view is that there is no rivalry.

These teams haven't denied each other of anything, the stakes have never been that high

Both franchises are historical afterthoughts

When Seattle came to the division the rams were it and they denied Seattle.... Eventually Seattle overcame the regular season hurdle, but lost in the playoffs ..... There it's still an intense dislike there

The cardinals really weren't a factor.

They did fill the void when the hawks fell off and SF started to get in the conversation ... That died quickly though the year Seattle beat the Rams to win the division with 7wins. That whole off-season was cards and miners talk, including messages on the training camp media tour buses. Neither team factored in that awful division.

Then SF raised up, held the division and made it to the SB. Seattle was getting good again and with everything factored in SF became the enemy.

They eliminated the hawks officially in their last year missed and then banged on the offices of the Seahawks staff yelling merry Christmas.

Next year they won the division and made it to the SB.

Then Seattle won the division and SB and beat them in the nfccg to do it.

This year Seattle eliminated them.

These teams just haven't sustained success together.

Honestly most of us are still of the mind that if not Seattle then make it AZ. Many would cheer AZ against AFC west teams even though it hurts the hawks.

Even these past 3 years including 2 competitive cardinal teams, they just didn't impact Seattle.

Seattle has won 4 of 6 by a combined margin of 172-68. Neither Seattle loss was meaningful or hurtful at the time. They sucked in their own way, but nothing major.

 

[football karma]

my wife's family is from Seattle. I am actually having two family friends from the area stay at the house when they go to the Superbowl. I have observed the Seattle fan up close, both away and in my frequent travels to their natural environ--

on one hand, they are good, solid fans who love their team. I think its a bit unfair to call them (all) bandwagon fans -- any fan base grows when the team does really well. Seattle also has lots of transplants living there ( mostly California) -- so again, winning tends to make transplants declare their loyalty ( as we have seen here in AZ).

Seattle generally is in the intense infatuation phase of fandom -- everything about their team is awesome!! -- and they beleive everyone feels that way. They dont get when non-Seattle fans dont share that.

Had a convo with a Seattle fan about Sherman getting booed when his face went up on the screen at the ProBowl (apparently, that is getting a fair amount of play up there).

I asked what would happen at Qwest field if Colin Kaepernick's face got put on the big screen in similar circustances --- his answer: "oh, he would get really booed ............. but its because he is a 49er". The implication he made was that Seahawks somehow are different..........

 

[Matt L]

Is the writer so desperate for an angle he reads an Arizona Sports message board? Is this guy a normal columnist for the Seattle Times or is he like Josh Weinfuss on ESPN.com?

 

[BigRedRage]

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please please please stop calling things rivalries when we have barely beaten them the last few years with a 58-0 loss to them in there as well. Just let them have their day...makes us all look like babies who cant lose with dignity

Your history is not correct as we have almost split the series together. What is your definition of a rivalry?

What are you talking about? We have basically split with them the last 9 seasons. We are 11-15 against them since they came over from the AFC West and we changed from NFC East to the NFC West. We are tied at 16-16 overall.

We are one of only 2 teams to beat them in their house over the past 2 seasons.

I'd call it a rivalry.

Agreed.

A rivalry is two teams that hate each other and circle dates on the calendar of when they play each other. Any in division game is a rivalry really.

 

[BIGRED1959]

Your history is not correct as we have almost split the series together. What is your definition of a rivalry?



Agreed.

A rivalry is two teams that hate each other and circle dates on the calendar of when they play each other. Any in division game is a rivalry really.

I HIGHLY doubt next year seattle circles "Arizona" on the schedules. They are more likely to circle games against Green Bay and Denver, not the Cards.

The Cardinals had their best season in DECADES and seattle still ran through them this year like a hot butterknife, quarterback or no quarterback.

Believe, I cant stand them, but if the other team isn't that scared of you then how is it a rivalry..

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Your history is not correct as we have almost split the series together. What is your definition of a rivalry?

Exactly. Who cares about just the past few games? Taking any short period of time and trying to analyze a rivalry does not work. Was it not a rivalry in 2008 and 2009 because we went 4-0 against the Seahawks and outscored them 118-64?

 

[BigRedRage]

I HIGHLY doubt next year seattle circles "Arizona" on the schedules. They are more likely to circle games against Green Bay and Denver, not the Cards.

The Cardinals had their best season in DECADES and seattle still ran through them this year like a hot butterknife, quarterback or no quarterback.

Believe, I cant stand them, but if the other team isn't that scared of you then how is it a rivalry..

when we have a starter, we can beat them as we did in seattle. Just because they won two games this year doesnt mean suddenly they have zero concern about playing us.

Teams that you only play every few years are not rivals.

Again, what is your definition of a rival?

 

[BigRedRage]

Exactly. Who cares about just the past few games? Taking any short period of time and trying to analyze a rivalry does not work. Was it not a rivalry in 2008 and 2009 because we went 4-0 against the Seahawks and outscored them 118-64?

Im curious what he thinks a rivalry is, it sounds like its only teams that beat you in the previous season. But then the other team wouldnt see it as a rivalry per his definition so maybe he doesnt believe in rivalries.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Believe, I can't stand them, but if the other team isn't that scared of you then how is it a rivalry..

Well - we're pretty even with both the Rams (15-11) and Seahawks (11-15) so they can say they aren't scared, but there's a good chance each year that our teams will split or maybe we'll alternate sweeps from year to year.

The team that could argue "there isn't much of a rivalry" would actually be the 49ers. We are only 9-17 against them - using just NFC West matchup numbers (even worse when expanded out to the overall series).

Regardless, they are all rivalries because we are fighting for the same division crown every season, IMHO.

 

[BIGRED1959]

my def of a rivalry is both teams playing to close decisions within the last 5 years. In this case the seahawks and cards havnt even played each other anyway very much in their history. For the cards to START a rivalry with the hawks they would need to both be competitive teams and split most years in trying to do one thing, win the NFC west. I just don't see that with the cards/hawks. I saw a great win in seattle only to have them poop on the cards this year. To me the rivalry just hasn't taken off yet. Surely you didn't think the cards had a rivalry against the cowboys in the ninties did you?

I agree however it is going in that direction...but at some point the cardinals will need to go into a season kicking their ass and taking the crown, I just don't see the hawks worrying about the cards at all. That game in ARizona was huge this year. Would have really turned the tables on seattle

 

[Brian in Mesa]

We split with them just last year in a race for the division and the playoffs. If we did not have major injuries this year we likely split again - at least - or quite possibly we could have swept them.

 

[BigRedRage]

my def of a rivalry is both teams playing to close decisions within the last 5 years. In this case the seahawks and cards havnt even played each other anyway very much in their history. For the cards to START a rivalry with the hawks they would need to both be competitive teams and split most years in trying to do one thing, win the NFC west. I just don't see that with the cards/hawks. I saw a great win in seattle only to have them poop on the cards this year. To me the rivalry just hasn't taken off yet. Surely you didn't think the cards had a rivalry against the cowboys in the ninties did you?

I agree however it is going in that direction...but at some point the cardinals will need to go into a season kicking their ass and taking the crown, I just don't see the hawks worrying about the cards at all. That game in ARizona was huge this year. Would have really turned the tables on seattle

so to you there are essentially no rivalries in the NFL then.

And if pittsburgh takes their division for 4 years straight, the raves vs steelers wont be a rivalry game anymore.

I disagree. Your rival is someone who stands in your way every time you try to do something. your arch enemy. Everyone in our division is a rival.

 

[kerouac9]

We split with them just last year in a race for the division and the playoffs. If we did not have major injuries this year we likely split again - at least - or quite possibly we could have swept them.

This is like people calling the Dallas Cowboys our rivals. Seahawks fans care--and worry--about beating San Francisco at least once every season. Seahawks fans expect their team to beat the Cards twice.

There was not race for the division or playoffs in 2013. They were wire-to-wire first seeds. We beat them at home in Russell Wilson's first start, and we're 1-3 against them since, including a 0-58 beat-down that got everyone fired. This year they beat us by a combined 54-9.

Our natural rivals are St. Louis because of the Warner connection, IMO.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

This is like people calling the Dallas Cowboys our rivals.

I do understand what you are saying, being that I am a Lakers fan. Suns fans see the Lakers as their rival, but it isn't a two-way street.

 

[BigRedRage]

My seahawk fan buddies all were calling me before the first game telling me how they were concerned we were going to stomp them out

 

[BigRedRage]

I do understand what you are saying, being that I am a Lakers fan. Suns fans see the Lakers as their rival, but it isn't a two-way street.

Except when we knocked the lakers out of the playoffs two years in a row.

 

[40yearfan]

my def of a rivalry is both teams playing to close decisions within the last 5 years. In this case the seahawks and cards havnt even played each other anyway very much in their history. For the cards to START a rivalry with the hawks they would need to both be competitive teams and split most years in trying to do one thing, win the NFC west. I just don't see that with the cards/hawks. I saw a great win in seattle only to have them poop on the cards this year. To me the rivalry just hasn't taken off yet. Surely you didn't think the cards had a rivalry against the cowboys in the ninties did you?

I agree however it is going in that direction...but at some point the cardinals will need to go into a season kicking their ass and taking the crown, I just don't see the hawks worrying about the cards at all. That game in ARizona was huge this year. Would have really turned the tables on seattle

How long have you been a Cardinals fan? The Cowboys not a rivalry? Are you nuts? Using your criteria, the Cowboys, Giants, Redskins and Phillies were never Cardinal rivalries. And no, you don't have to be competitive to be a rival. Do you think ASU and UA basketball teams aren't rivals just because UA usually wipes the floor with them? You really have a slanted view of professional sports.

 

[40yearfan]

This is like people calling the Dallas Cowboys our rivals. Seahawks fans care--and worry--about beating San Francisco at least once every season. Seahawks fans expect their team to beat the Cards twice.

There was not race for the division or playoffs in 2013. They were wire-to-wire first seeds. We beat them at home in Russell Wilson's first start, and we're 1-3 against them since, including a 0-58 beat-down that got everyone fired. This year they beat us by a combined 54-9.

Our natural rivals are St. Louis because of the Warner connection, IMO.

So when we were 9 and 1 and 3 games ahead of the Seahawks, they weren't worried about us one bit? Do you honestly believe we would have lost both games against the Hawks if Palmer was at QB? How do you think those games would have gone with the Hawks having to use their 3rd string QB?

You might not consider it a rivalry, but I'll guarantee you there are a lot of Cardinal fans who do and I am one of them.

 

[D-Dogg]

Except when we knocked the lakers out of the playoffs two years in a row.

LOL, no. Not even then.

 

[BigRedRage]

LOL, no. Not even then.

You dont gotta lie to kick it Dogg!

 

[kerouac9]

So when we were 9 and 1 and 3 games ahead of the Seahawks, they weren't worried about us one bit? Do you honestly believe we would have lost both games against the Hawks if Palmer was at QB? How do you think those games would have gone with the Hawks having to use their 3rd string QB?

You might not consider it a rivalry, but I'll guarantee you there are a lot of Cardinal fans who do and I am one of them.

Do you think they were worried about us a week later, after we came into their house and got crushes 19-3?

10 games into the season, Seattle was 6-4 and coming off a loss to Kanasas City. Seattle fans we worried, but I don't think they were worried about us.

If Palmer was QB, maybe we lose both games by a combined score of 54-20. How many points do you really think Palmer is worth in two games? 45? Really?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Do you think they were worried about us a week later, after we came into their house and got crushes 19-3?

10 games into the season, Seattle was 6-4 and coming off a loss to Kanasas City. Seattle fans we worried, but I don't think they were worried about us.

If Palmer was QB, maybe we lose both games by a combined score of 54-20. How many points do you really think Palmer is worth in two games? 45? Really?

I actually think that game up in Seattle could have played out differently. The defense was pretty geared up all game long until the end when they got beat down, but I think with solid QB play, that game would have been a lot closer.

 

[kerouac9]

I actually think that game up in Seattle could have played out differently. The defense was pretty geared up all game long until the end when they got beat down, but I think with solid QB play, that game would have been a lot closer.

Maybe. Late-season Palmer unleashed his own stink bomb in the Emerald City last year, so anything's possible. I'm not sure what Palmer's availability for two games this year has to do with whether Seattle considers us a rival.

IMO, rivalries have to go two ways.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe. Late-season Palmer unleashed his own stink bomb in the Emerald City last year, so anything's possible. I'm not sure what Palmer's availability for two games this year has to do with whether Seattle considers us a rival.

IMO, rivalries have to go two ways.

I agree... we're not rivals yet. The Hawks obvious rivals the last two years have been the Niners... even this year. The Thanksgiving Night game was still considered a huge game for the teams as it happened at the very beginning of the Niners meltdown

 

[BIGRED1959]

FINALLY some sanity ^^^^^