Do we draft a QB?

[DoTheDew]

Do we? No. Should we? Yes.

If Barkley is there, I'd take him. Not sold on the others yet, but pure BPA is a bad idea for this team. We aren't going to win until we get a QB, and Fitz's career is going to be wasted if we don't get a QB. Looking at the potential free agents at QB, Jason Campbell seems like the only one who will realistically hit the market and be better then Kolb or Skelton. Matt Flynn might be better too but he's just as unproven as Kolb was. So unless we go after Campbell, I'd want Barkley. If neither is an option *then* I'd want an OT, then a pass rusher. If none are an option where we're picking, then I'd settle for BPA and stock up on beer because it's going to be another long season.

 

[Assface]

Does anyone think this organization is ever going to get a good QB other than how a blind squirrell finds a nut once in a while?

Who's the best drafted QB of all time for the Cardinals?

Charley Johnson, Neil Lomax, Jake Plummer.

Those are as good as it gets.

I'd have to go with Neil Lomax myself just because it's almost modern history.

The next HOF QB we draft will be our first.

Compare this to a team like say .....

The Giants.

The Cowboys

The 49ers

I could go on, we suck.

Let's be honest, you could say that about the Cardinals with any position other than WR.

 

[Assface]

We're 3-7. If the rest of the season plays out like the first 10 games then we might have a new HC next year. New HC means new staff with no loyalties to current players and a likely chance of drafting a 1st round QB.

 

[Seandonic]

...I don't know if any college kid could come here and be successful. I'd prefer to use our first round pick grabbing someone to help Kolb (preferrably an OT, but an elite WR to complement Fitz would work too), surrounding him with better talent, and giving him a full offseason to master the offense would be better than starting over with the next great hope.

^This is correct.^ The Cardinals can not ignore the offensive tackle position any longer. The Cards should use their first pick on one of the top tackles available: Kalil, Martin, or Reiff (in that order). They should also pick up another quality tackle in free-agency, if at all possible. If it were me, I'd go best available o-linemen (preferably OT) with the third round pick as well.

Next years offensive line would be LT: 1st rd. pick. LG: Colledge. C: Sendlein. RG: Hopefully Deuce but Hadnot would do. RT: FA pick-up or 3rd rd. pick. I'd also like to keep Bridges because he is such a versatile back-up.

The last time the Cards had a very good o-line was during the 70's. Subsequently, that was when they enjoyed their longest string of regular season success. 1974: 10-4, 1st in the NFC east. 1975: 11-3, 1st in the NFC east. 1976: 10-4. 1977: 7-7.

A great QB (Warner) can overcome some o-line deficiency but unless you get Luck (and the Cards won't) that aint gonna happen. Kolb isn't and will not be great but he could be very good if protected (IMHO).

 

[kerouac9]

That is why you keep/sacrifice Kolb next year even of you do draft a QB in the first round. Remember that 1st rounders are no longer the financial burdens that they used to be.

Kolb's going to miss one third of this season due to injury already. Why not keep Skelton and develop him? I don't want to give Whis another QB to ruin for the next guy who comes in. The last two years have illustrated that rookie QBs can be successful if they're managed.

We just don't have the management team in place. I trust Whis when he says that Kolb understand the offense conceptually, but a rookie QB isn't going to get the reps to work out the fine points from the bench.

 

[Black Jesus]

It is going to be Matt Barkley.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

If there is a legit low first rounder available at QB when we draft, I would bet the farm that he would go Eli Manning on us in a heartbeat.. I know I would, especially if CKW the almighty QB wrecker was still here.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kolb's going to miss one third of this season due to injury already. Why not keep Skelton and develop him? I don't want to give Whis another QB to ruin for the next guy who comes in. The last two years have illustrated that rookie QBs can be successful if they're managed.

We just don't have the management team in place. I trust Whis when he says that Kolb understand the offense conceptually, but a rookie QB isn't going to get the reps to work out the fine points from the bench.

Why can't we keep both though? Skelton doesn't make much and he hasn't played so well he's going to be a problem if he doesn't start. I know there's an option on Kolb I don't know all the details but if he can play soon and plays better I don't see why letting him walk makes sense.

Save money but then have to pay another QB a big signing bonus be it rookie or FA and again have no guarantee the guy can pick up this offense right away.

 

[kerouac9]

Why can't we keep both though? Skelton doesn't make much and he hasn't played so well he's going to be a problem if he doesn't start. I know there's an option on Kolb I don't know all the details but if he can play soon and plays better I don't see why letting him walk makes sense.

Save money but then have to pay another QB a big signing bonus be it rookie or FA and again have no guarantee the guy can pick up this offense right away.

Right. But if you draft a 1st rounder, Skelton is done. There just aren't enough reps to develop 3 QBs at once in the NFL these days.

If Kolb stayed healthy, Skelton would've been done after this year.

 

[Phrazbit]

If you draft a 1st round QB you cant keep Kolb on the roster with 5 years left on that contract. He either gets traded to a shockingly stupid team or gets waived.

But... in all likelyhood we wont draft a QB because the idiots who dug this hole will be too stubborn to admit they need to dig a way out of it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If Kolb stayed healthy, Skelton would've been done after this year.

Again I disagree.

The Cardinals traded a player to draft Skelton. They knew he was extremely raw and needed time to develop. Why draft a project QB who doesn't cost much only to give up on him two years later? That makes zero sense.

 

[kerouac9]

Again I disagree.

The Cardinals traded a player to draft Skelton. They knew he was extremely raw and needed time to develop. Why draft a project QB who doesn't cost much only to give up on him two years later? That makes zero sense.

What development was Skelton getting in-season last year? Getting zero reps with the Arizona offense. Is he learning a ton sitting in on meetings and getting deactivated in favor of Max Hall?

You can't develop 2 QBs at a time in the NFL. There aren't enough reps for it. Whis saw Skelton and saw Hall in training camp and immediately had buyer's remorse on the drafted player--because Whis doesn't know anything about picking quarterbacks.

With Derek Anderson on the roster and leaning a new offense, Whis was an idiot to think that his time would be better invested with Max Hall when that guy had no place anywhere near an NFL roster.

 

[MadCardDisease]

What development was Skelton getting in-season last year? Getting zero reps with the Arizona offense. Is he learning a ton sitting in on meetings and getting deactivated in favor of Max Hall?

You can't develop 2 QBs at a time in the NFL. There aren't enough reps for it. Whis saw Skelton and saw Hall in training camp and immediately had buyer's remorse on the drafted player--because Whis doesn't know anything about picking quarterbacks.

With Derek Anderson on the roster and leaning a new offense, Whis was an idiot to think that his time would be better invested with Max Hall when that guy had no place anywhere near an NFL roster.

Skelton went to Fordham University. There is no way he should have saw the field last year coming from such a small football program. He was drafted to be the 3rd string QB. Last year he should have been absorbing the playbook and attending meetings.

It's not his fault that the Cardinals botched the QB position

 

[Phrazbit]

What development was Skelton getting in-season last year? Getting zero reps with the Arizona offense. Is he learning a ton sitting in on meetings and getting deactivated in favor of Max Hall?

You can't develop 2 QBs at a time in the NFL. There aren't enough reps for it. Whis saw Skelton and saw Hall in training camp and immediately had buyer's remorse on the drafted player--because Whis doesn't know anything about picking quarterbacks.

With Derek Anderson on the roster and leaning a new offense, Whis was an idiot to think that his time would be better invested with Max Hall when that guy had no place anywhere near an NFL roster.

Uh, I think you're forgetting how much moxy Max Hall has. And gumption.

 

[DoTheDew]

Again I disagree.

The Cardinals traded a player to draft Skelton. They knew he was extremely raw and needed time to develop. Why draft a project QB who doesn't cost much only to give up on him two years later? That makes zero sense.

Happens all the time. The NFL is very much a what have you done for me lately league.

 

[Duckjake]

Happens all the time. The NFL is very much a what have you done for me lately league.

Just ask Buster Davis and Cody Brown.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I really like the Griffith kid from Baylor, seen a number of his games. Nothing against Luck because I doubt he will not be a starter in this league but watching Griffith reminds me of Josh Freeman...Griffith is not only a athlete, he seems to have a lot of football smarts and definitely is a natural leader. All that being said. Unless Kolb does not improve, this team might have to go defense or OL, so many holes

 

[Jetstream Green]

What development was Skelton getting in-season last year? Getting zero reps with the Arizona offense. Is he learning a ton sitting in on meetings and getting deactivated in favor of Max Hall?

You can't develop 2 QBs at a time in the NFL. There aren't enough reps for it. Whis saw Skelton and saw Hall in training camp and immediately had buyer's remorse on the drafted player--because Whis doesn't know anything about picking quarterbacks.

With Derek Anderson on the roster and leaning a new offense, Whis was an idiot to think that his time would be better invested with Max Hall when that guy had no place anywhere near an NFL roster.

this, well put

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What development was Skelton getting in-season last year? Getting zero reps with the Arizona offense. Is he learning a ton sitting in on meetings and getting deactivated in favor of Max Hall?

You can't develop 2 QBs at a time in the NFL. There aren't enough reps for it. Whis saw Skelton and saw Hall in training camp and immediately had buyer's remorse on the drafted player--because Whis doesn't know anything about picking quarterbacks.

With Derek Anderson on the roster and leaning a new offense, Whis was an idiot to think that his time would be better invested with Max Hall when that guy had no place anywhere near an NFL roster.

The plan, as Whiz has stated often, was for Skelton to not play a down last year. The problem was when Leinart was released the Cards didn't have a NFL ready backup. When Anderson struggled, Hall was more ready to step in last year but in no way was a long term solution. Not having a veteran, like a David Carr-type as the #2, is where the Cards messed up and Whiz has said he would have handled the QB situation differently. But in theory, the plan was to have Leinart start, DA be the backup, and Skelton the developmental guy. Hall wasn't even in the picture. Once the Leinart situation went south, Skelton was still the developmental guy and Hall was thrust into the emergency #2 guy because in no way would Skelton have been ready. At that point it was either go with Hall, who despite what people say, looked good in pre-season(and I put as litle emphasis on pre-season performance as anybody) and hope to get lucky or bring in a guy and have another Tim Rattay/Tim Hasselback situation. Either way was a losing proposition.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I had a friend who went they left at halftime becaue of the rain.

wuss!

 

[cardpa]

Th every first thing that this team needs to find is:
#1 An Good Offensive Line Coach
#2 An Experienced Offensive Coordinator
#3 Two Offensive tackles
#4 A Safety
#5 A WR that can go deep

Get all of this and this team is much better and the first two are not even players.

I suspect why we never get #1 and #2 is once they interview with Whiz they probably leave AZ with the idea that they would be working for a HC that will micromanage them. They would not be allowed to do their job and have some lead way with it.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm still a BPA guy. In case of ties, I'd rather we drafted 2 bookend OT's.

But if Luck was available (& based on incomplete player info) I'd be inclined to draft him and deal away some of our surplus at QB.

But I wouldn't blow up our QB situation and "go backward" if we were considering any other QB than Luck.

 

[Assface]

Th every first thing that this team needs to find is:
#1 An Good Offensive Line Coach
#2 An Experienced Offensive Coordinator
#3 Two Offensive tackles
#4 A Safety
#5 A WR that can go deep

Get all of this and this team is much better and the first two are not even players.

I suspect why we never get #1 and #2 is once they interview with Whiz they probably leave AZ with the idea that they would be working for a HC that will micromanage them. They would not be allowed to do their job and have some lead way with it.

1 and 2 simply aren't going to happen with the current coaching staff. A new HC would be required for that and any new hire is going to clean house on the overall coaching staff and bring in his guys anyway. This is option #1 that I'm in favor of.

#3 is directly tied to #1. A while back someone posted a quote from Grimm where he admitted that he knows more about teaching run blocking than pass blocking. The smart thing to do then would be draft guys who are already proficient in pass blocking and let him coach them up in to solid run blockers so that you end up with a well rounded lineman. What they do instead is target the guys who are big run blockers so that they never progress.

#4 isn't that big of a deal. Most teams don't have guys who would be considered playmakers at that position, as long as your 2 safeties aren't liabilities you're good.

#5 Most of the burners in this draft are towards the back end of prospects. The top prospects are on par with Fitz as far as speed and size. We can pick up a 4.3 guy in the 4th or 5th round. We'll see how he does at the combine but Jeff Demps of Florida is listed at 4.26.

 

[gmabel830]

I really like the Griffith kid from Baylor, seen a number of his games. Nothing against Luck because I doubt he will not be a starter in this league but watching Griffith reminds me of Josh Freeman...Griffith is not only a athlete, he seems to have a lot of football smarts and definitely is a natural leader. All that being said. Unless Kolb does not improve, this team might have to go defense or OL, so many holes

Griffin! G-R-I-F-F-I-N!

If you like the guy so much, learn to spell his damn name right!

/rant

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Griffin! G-R-I-F-F-I-N!

If you like the guy so much, learn to spell his damn name right!

/rant

lol, he's another 'antron' rolle

Griffin will be a bust in the NFL, I'm calling it