Do we draft a QB?

[kerouac9]

The plan, as Whiz has stated often, was for Skelton to not play a down last year. The problem was when Leinart was released the Cards didn't have a NFL ready backup. When Anderson struggled, Hall was more ready to step in last year but in no way was a long term solution. Not having a veteran, like a David Carr-type as the #2, is where the Cards messed up and Whiz has said he would have handled the QB situation differently. But in theory, the plan was to have Leinart start, DA be the backup, and Skelton the developmental guy. Hall wasn't even in the picture. Once the Leinart situation went south, Skelton was still the developmental guy and Hall was thrust into the emergency #2 guy because in no way would Skelton have been ready. At that point it was either go with Hall, who despite what people say, looked good in pre-season(and I put as litle emphasis on pre-season performance as anybody) and hope to get lucky or bring in a guy and have another Tim Rattay/Tim Hasselback situation. Either way was a losing proposition.

I call shenanigans on this. Link?

Was Max Hall "not even in the picture" in the second preseason game, when he got 15 attempts to John Skelton's zero? What about the final preseason game when Max Hall got nearly as many attempts as the rest of the quarterbacks combined? What about when Whis went running to Peter King to tell him how much Max Hall reminded him of Kurt Warner? Do you think that Peter King just makes that story up out of thin air?

 

[Snakester]

Yes we do everything we can to get Andrew Luck. We trade our entire draft and then some if we have to to get him.

 

[Bodha]

BPA all the way.

Whether thats RG3, Kalil, Blackmon, Alshon, Claiborne, whoever. This team cant afford another Levi Brown and I swear anyone not named Matt Kalil Will be a reach.


Last (everytime) we draft by need, we get burned.


Actually, what I really want, is to trade back and get that 2nd rounder back. we have so many holes that we need as many low round picks as possible.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I call shenanigans on this. Link?

Was Max Hall "not even in the picture" in the second preseason game, when he got 15 attempts to John Skelton's zero? What about the final preseason game when Max Hall got nearly as many attempts as the rest of the quarterbacks combined? What about when Whis went running to Peter King to tell him how much Max Hall reminded him of Kurt Warner? Do you think that Peter King just makes that story up out of thin air?

Hall wasn't in the picture until training camp started. He was lighting up training camp while Lienart was throwing ducks. Too bad Hall couldn't face a fake pass rush or 4th stringers in the regular season.

 

[gmabel830]

BPA all the way.

Whether thats RG3, Kalil, Blackmon, Alshon, Claiborne, whoever. This team cant afford another Levi Brown and I swear anyone not named Matt Kalil Will be a reach.


Last (everytime) we draft by need, we get burned.


Actually, what I really want, is to trade back and get that 2nd rounder back. we have so many holes that we need as many low round picks as possible.

I don't disagree with you, but have you seen the list of FA OTs available this offseason? Someone had mentioned that Levi Brown might be one of the top guys available, and the sad part is they are probably correct. If we don't draft an OT, who on earth will be playing the position for us next year?

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/ol.html

 

[kerouac9]

Hall wasn't in the picture until training camp started. He was lighting up training camp while Lienart was throwing ducks. Too bad Hall couldn't face a fake pass rush or 4th stringers in the regular season.

Poppycock. Maybe the press was reporting how impressed Whis was with Hall, but people whom I talked to that were there said that Hall looked like a camp body, and Bob Kemp was aghast that Max Hall even made the Final 53, considering that he didn't see anything that suggested that Max Hall had a future in the NFL.

Most of the reports out of training camp in 2010 were that #7 looked fine. He wasn't lighting up training camp, but that he wasn't embarrassing himself, either.

If you want to revise history to make Whis's inept handling of the QB situation for the past 18 months or so look better, there's nothing I can really do about that.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I call shenanigans on this. Link?

Was Max Hall "not even in the picture" in the second preseason game, when he got 15 attempts to John Skelton's zero? What about the final preseason game when Max Hall got nearly as many attempts as the rest of the quarterbacks combined? What about when Whis went running to Peter King to tell him how much Max Hall reminded him of Kurt Warner? Do you think that Peter King just makes that story up out of thin air?

Just because you call "shenanigans" i'm not going to look up a link for you. Look it up yourself. You'll be able to find it. He was asked numerous times and answered the question.

And, no I don't thnk Hall was in the picture to make the team in week 2. You do know there are plenty of QB's that attempt many passes in pre-season that are not in a teams plans. They are likely emergency plans which is what occured when Leinart was let go. Many times the league leading rusher in pre-season is cut. Whiz talked to King AFTER Leinart was cut and it was apparent he would go with Hall as the back-up. What do you want him to say, Hall stinks but I hate Leinart and so we're going with Max?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Poppycock. Maybe the press was reporting how impressed Whis was with Hall, but people whom I talked to that were there said that Hall looked like a camp body, and Bob Kemp was aghast that Max Hall even made the Final 53, considering that he didn't see anything that suggested that Max Hall had a future in the NFL.

Most of the reports out of training camp in 2010 were that #7 looked fine. He wasn't lighting up training camp, but that he wasn't embarrassing himself, either.

If you want to revise history to make Whis's inept handling of the QB situation for the past 18 months or so look better, there's nothing I can really do about that.

BS, Link?

 

[kerouac9]

Just because you call "shenanigans" i'm not going to look up a link for you. Look it up yourself. You'll be able to find it. He was asked numerous times and answered the question.

And, no I don't thnk Hall was in the picture to make the team in week 2. You do know there are plenty of QB's that attempt many passes in pre-season that are not in a teams plans. They are likely emergency plans which is what occured when Leinart was let go. Many times the league leading rusher in pre-season is cut. Whiz talked to King AFTER Leinart was cut and it was apparent he would go with Hall as the back-up. What do you want him to say, Hall stinks but I hate Leinart and so we're going with Max?

LOL. I'm about to make you look stupid twice because you were too lazy to go check your facts. Are you excited? Sitting down?

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35143/cardinals-regular-season-wrap-up

Biggest surprise: The Cardinals spent all offseason grooming Matt Leinart to replace the retired Kurt Warner, only to bench him during the exhibition season and release him on the mandatory reduction to 53 players. Arizona might not have been much better in the standings with Leinart on the roster, but the 2006 first-round draft choice surely would have been better than Max Hall or John Skelton. He probably would have been better than Derek Anderson, too. Coach Ken Whisenhunt suggested after the season that he wouldn't have handled the situation differently, in retrospect. That seems unreasonable.

So, you know... exactly the opposite of what you said. But, you know... Whatever.

Now, for the Max Hall idiocy.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/09/05/mmqb/1.html

Matt Leinart got cut because his coach didn't trust him to win over the locker room, and he didn't trust his decision-making on the field. True story: Whisenhunt was likely to keep Leinart around this year, and to keep Hall on the practice squad for the year, until he saw him in offseason camps and in this summer's training camp. He thought Hall was certainly ready to play now, and more suited to run the offense than Leinart was after three years in Whisenhunt's offense.

That article was published September 6. Really think that Peter King called up Whis and had this conversation that day? That he had 1000 words on Max Hall sitting there waiting for a story? Seriously?

 

[kerouac9]

BS, Link?

When you have the courage of your convictions, it's easy to support your ideas with evidence. Here you go:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/22747/thoughts-on-matt-leinarts-arizona-demise

At training camp, I had to remind myself to watch Leinart. Nothing about him stood out, good or bad. Leinart said he hoped to get extra reps during preseason games, but Whisenhunt suggested that was unnecessary. Instead, the coach wanted to see what Anderson could do while running the offense.

You don't have to start a whole thread to apologize to me this time. You can just say it in this one.

 

[Jetstream Green]

BPA all the way.

Whether thats RG3, Kalil, Blackmon, Alshon, Claiborne, whoever. This team cant afford another Levi Brown and I swear anyone not named Matt Kalil Will be a reach.


Last (everytime) we draft by need, we get burned.


Actually, what I really want, is to trade back and get that 2nd rounder back. we have so many holes that we need as many low round picks as possible.

that totally slipped my mind, and I like that very much...we have too many needs and that second has become very important

 

[Chopper0080]

I really like the Griffith kid from Baylor, seen a number of his games. Nothing against Luck because I doubt he will not be a starter in this league but watching Griffith reminds me of Josh Freeman...Griffith is not only a athlete, he seems to have a lot of football smarts and definitely is a natural leader. All that being said. Unless Kolb does not improve, this team might have to go defense or OL, so many holes

Except Freeman is 6'6" and Griffith is 6'1" at best.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Except Freeman is 6'6" and Griffith is 6'1" at best.

'Griffin' is also a stick, I would be worried about him getting destroyed by NFL defenders.

 

[Broseph]

BPA all the way.

Whether thats RG3, Kalil, Blackmon, Alshon, Claiborne, whoever. This team cant afford another Levi Brown and I swear anyone not named Matt Kalil Will be a reach.


Last (everytime) we draft by need, we get burned.


Actually, what I really want, is to trade back and get that 2nd rounder back. we have so many holes that we need as many low round picks as possible.

^ This right here, it's an absolute kick in the nuts we don't have a second rounder, because our team is bad, and we need players. We absolutely cannot strike out in the 1st round. I imagine we'll be picking 4-6th ish. I think Kalil may go 2 or 3 which would blow, depending on who picks first, if the rams do they will pick Kalil probably. Carolina will probably pick Blackmon and it's looking like we may grab that OT Martin out of Stan.

 

[Phrazbit]

Griffin does not make me think of Josh Freeman... he makes me think of a better throwing version of Pat White or Troy Smith.

He might become a good NFL player, but I think he would have to drastically change his play style. They way he runs around in the backfield wont fool most NFL secondaries and will get him murdered by NFL linebackers. He has a good arm for his size (he is listed as 6'2" but he looks more like 6'0" in cleats) and throws well on the run but those small-statured gimmick college QBs dont typically pan out.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When you have the courage of your convictions, it's easy to support your ideas with evidence. Here you go:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/22747/thoughts-on-matt-leinarts-arizona-demise



You don't have to start a whole thread to apologize to me this time. You can just say it in this one.

don't hold you breath. That article was written by King on Sept. 6 after Leinart was released. Like, I said, what do you want Whiz to say about Hall, that he stinks but he's the best we have? The plan was for Leinart to be the starter, DA the back up and Skelton the develomental guy.

Also, on the QB situation:
"But those two guys, we felt, earned their spots and we felt good about that decision. If we had to do it again, I think hindsight is always 20-20".

"Obviously, it's easy to second-guess now because it hasn't worked out the way any of us hoped or thought it was going to work out".

You don't have to be a genius to see he's implying he would have handled it differently. I guess if you're looking for him to say, yes I messed it up, then you're right you're not going to find that. But, I would hope you don't need every thing spelled out for you literally.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

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That article was published September 6. Really think that Peter King called up Whis and had this conversation that day? That he had 1000 words on Max Hall sitting there waiting for a story? Seriously?

there's no doubt he talked to Whiz after Leinart was cut on Sep 4. You seriously think King was prepped and ready to do a story on Max Hall?????
Furthermore, the article has about 2 quotes from Whiz, and if you read the link you supplied you would see that King said he talked to Whiz on Saturday. Guess what day of the week Sep 4(the day ML was released) was. I'll give you a hint, it comes after Friday but before Sunday. Considering King's article was Monday the 6th, his reference to Saturday, and I know I'm going out on a limb here, was the one prior to his article. But nice try.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Good draft talk about RG III on this audio. The guys(one guy is enamored) are overall impressed with him. I like the part about him being a hard-worker, coachable, and smart.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Draft-Talk-100.html

 

[Bobcat]

Let's just be honest, the odds of us drafting in the top 5 are pretty good. Say that Kolb continues to be mediocre at best for the rest of the season and obviously the Skelton experiment was fun while it lasted. I know this team has a butt-load of holes to fill, but if Landry Jones or Matt Barkley are on the board, I wonder if this FO would draft a QB, and how would some of you feel about it?

One bad game doesn't make or break a QB. P Manning had 5 or 6 int in a game in his first year in the league. His OL sucked like ours does, and he didn't have a running back until his second year, with EJ came to play for the Colts. GOD we have a very short attention span, edited

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Let's just be honest, the odds of us drafting in the top 5 are pretty good. Say that Kolb continues to be mediocre at best for the rest of the season and obviously the Skelton experiment was fun while it lasted. I know this team has a butt-load of holes to fill, but if Landry Jones or Matt Barkley are on the board, I wonder if this FO would draft a QB, and how would some of you feel about it?

I think it's more the Cards style to take a guy like Tanneyhill, if he were still around, in round 3.

 

[CFLredzoned]

The more I look at it, the more feasible it sounds. If the following happens:
- The current QB's show zero sign of improvement.
- Both of the quality OL's are off the board.
- A quality QB is still on the board.
Then yeah, it could happen.

Right now, there are 4 teams with worse records than us. And 4 teams tied with us at 3-7. I looked at everybody's remaining schedules and we have an easier schedule than most. So I don't see us picking any better than 7. That's my official prediction - 7.

I feel pretty good about the OL's though. I looked at some mocks and some people have Jonathan Martin being better than Kalil. I looked at a few pics of Martin and he looks like a physical specimin. 6'6" 300 lbs, no visible body fat. Not only that, but the guy looks like an intense dude. Where Levi and Keith are fat and soft looking, Martin looks like he just came out of the military. He has an intense look in his eye. I have no idea what kind of a player he is though. He does block for Andrew Luck. That's a pro style offense, isn't it? I think I'm officially on this guy's bandwagon.

 

[Phrazbit]

Let's just be honest, the odds of us drafting in the top 5 are pretty good. Say that Kolb continues to be mediocre at best for the rest of the season and obviously the Skelton experiment was fun while it lasted. I know this team has a butt-load of holes to fill, but if Landry Jones or Matt Barkley are on the board, I wonder if this FO would draft a QB, and how would some of you feel about it?

They would be fools to pass on Barkley or Jones. But I would be very surprised if they took either of them. A new coaching staff probably seeks a new QB but I dont think Whiz gets canned and he is going to ride his bad QB choices to the bottom of the sea before acknowledging a mistake.

You cannot win without a QB, Kalil will be gone when the Cards pick and if they reach on another OT its just asking for another Levi situation, and doing that with a still gaping hole at QB and several hugely talented QB prospects in this draft would be unconscionable.

 

[conraddobler]

Barkley is the guy I like the most.

We won't draft a QB.

 

[JeffGollin]

I have a hunch that we may be entering a sea-change era where spread/zone-reads and 6-6 dominant receivers move from the HS and college game to the pros (witness Newton & Tebow).

Time to think outside the box; considering such radical steps as bringing in a bunch of big, fast, good-hands WRs and turning them into DBs.

Or drafting a bunch of Campbell clones and lining them up 4-across the defensive front to make QB's throw over them.

Or drafting the Robinson dude from Michigan and "going mobile" at QB.

Time to be proactive. As they say - "He who hesitates is lunch."

 

[Folster]

Or drafting the Robinson dude from Michigan and "going mobile" at QB.

No thanks. He is a poor man's Michael Vick and will not play QB in the NFL. Does he even tie his shoes yet?