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Exactly, where have you been while we have been argueing about this on the "will dockett ever learn" thread?
Dockett and Blackstock Involved in Locker Room Fight
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Nothing is certian but for the most part that isnt the rule. It also why I said it sperates good teams from Mediocre ones instead of saying good teams from bad teams, becuase you can have penalties and still have a good record it just isnt the norm.
Us compared to Dallas is a 250 yard difference.
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I think I chimed in early in that thread and then had to check out for a while....
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Thank you for being the vioce of reason here. As I just told 82, you are needed in the dckettt thread.
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What exactly is productive about that though? I will never buy that a fight is a productive means of sending a message. Especially over something as silly as maybe calling someone out for commiting a stupid penalty.
But I think Green Bay is now ahead of us.
However, couple this thread with the one on Levi Brown comparing not helping on Kearney to not helping on Burgess last year as well as the one about no pass rush and a couple of others and you wonder why so many things are still the same as the last 3 years.
I guess we just had a rather large Leopard.
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They are. Which is very odd becuase there was no team really that close to us a few weeks back.
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So, are we differentiating between stupid pre-snap penalties? or pentalties of 'passion' (as I call them; kinda like crimes of passion). I would rather have more of the latter than the former. Those false starts, delay of games, etc. are the really stupid ones.
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Ya ever here of a Code Red?? It isn't just the stuff of Hollywood fairy tale joe, it happens and there is a reason for it...
Again, we have no idea what really happened in the locker room, but I do believe there is a time and a place when the "leader(s)" of a team need to step up and send a message. For Blackstock, he may have been the sacrificial lamb. He may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time... Maybe he didn't even say a thing, but DD thought he did... Who knows. But this team continues to play with general lack of heart, lack of readiness, lack of execution... While alot of that falls on the coaches, it also rests with each individual player. Blackstock, through his lackluster play on the field might have been the appropriate dude to catch the beating, though there are plenty of other viable candidates... If it were me, I would grab Holt first and beat his ass silly... The play on the 4th & 1, where he got sucked in and Alexander schooled him was huge and a STUPID play on his part. It was HIS job to keep contain, and he blew it... Not to mention his pathetic play in the secondary...
In any event, this team lacks so much heart, so much will... My college coach always tossed around a great line (I think it's from Bobby Knight):
Everyone wants to win, but not everyone wants to PREPARE to win...
IMO, that sums up this team perfectly...
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I disagree here. Sometimes fights are neccessary. If nothing else, they rejuvenate people's passion on a subject. Not to mention, a fight is a good way to earn respect. Sacrificing your body can show that you really care and you aren't scared to show it. I hope they both threw down like brothers and earned the respect of their teammates and each other.
Not trying to be an advocate of violence here, but teams are families and there is no fight like a family fight. Families normally tend to pull together more after one as well.
In my freshman year of HS, my lacrosse team opened the season with two losses. After the second game, some of the juniors and seniors tried to call some of the freshman out for playing scared. We had a rumble in there that was something to write home about. We may have beat the piss out of each other that night, but the next day we were tighter than ever. I have been a part of many teams since then, but have never witnessed the type of chemistry we had that year after the brawl.
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Dont even get me started on the crime of passion thing. It is another word for no self control, nothing more.
They are all stupid. Just different kinds of stupid. One is just forgetting a snap count or watching the play clock. The other is knowing you are doing wrong but still do it anyways. Now which one is more stupid?
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Well then we will never agree on this. Working with an organization that deals with family problems and councils them this statement is not even close to being true in fact it is the complete opposite and we will just have to leave it at that.
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Deanna - you need to know... with the exception of a defensive back grabbing a receiver who is about to toast him for a TD, there are NO good penalties... NONE... NEVER... NADA...
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Wow, I can see how you are a 'numbers' person and not a 'people' person
You know right from wrong, passion doesnt push that out the door.
Crime of passion is just a crutch for people who cant control themselves and want lighter sentances. "Well you honor she was sleeping with another man so I shouldnt have to go to jail for the rest of my life."
Yes there are.
Try a false start when your QB got stoned on 4th and 1 on the last drive of the game.
/Tom Brady
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Don't bring the Pats into a Cardinal discussion... That's like suggesting a blemish on Jessica Alba is the same as a blemish on Rosie O'Donnell...
I had to though...I've NEVER seen a false start be basically a gamewinner...and I've seen a LOT of false starts.
DeAnna
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Why is it that all teams commit them then? Every single team (some more than others). I would rather have an o-lineman hold a defender than let my QB get sacked. It's just a question if the referee saw it or not.
And to further show the difference here...
Big's false start against the Rams took away the shot at the endzone to win.
NE's false start saves the game and allows them to take the shot at the endzone to win.
Cards lose games
Pats win games
WTF did we do to Karma? I think D-Dock needs to knock Karma's lights out.
Big's false start against the Rams took away the shot at the endzone to win.
NE's false start saves the game and allows them to take the shot at the endzone to win.
Cards lose games
Pats win games
WTF did we do to Karma? I think D-Dock needs to knock Karma's lights out.
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You must not have any brothers.
DeAnna
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Now we're getting into the legal realms - was it premeditated or not? If it is, then it's a stiffer sentence. Or pleading insanity? that's really a crutch.
Maybe Dockett can plead he went momentarily insane from all that holding
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Penalties are of course part of any sport. Just like there is gravity, there are penalties...
However, if you simply accept the fact that penalties are "ok", or that some are better than others, you will never work to prevent them, and as such, will invariably suffer because of them...
Are there times when committing a penalty is the right thing to do? Of course... I think the case I raised above is a good one. The one you raise is questionable as you have no way of knowing if the QB would be able to move away and/or scramble away, or perhaps throw the ball away or even complete a pass...
More importantly, the timing is crucial... Players need to know the game situation...
Bottom line, and you can go back of the history of pro sports, the teams that are penalized less, often are the teams that win the most...
