Dockett Deserved Better

[GuernseyCard]

You didnt answer the question. The process of improvement results in eventual goal achievement. So what if they dont ever reach the goal?

And what if they do?

If so, I'll be overjoyed.

Absurdly, in your case, it won't matter because they didn't win a Super Bowl in the 20th century.

 

[BigRedRage]

I am not assessing Dockett deal. I said lets wait and see who is the replacement. Yeah, I admire successful organizations and am much more willing to give them benefit of doubt. It is curious how the Big Red has lots of players including guys who had been there a long time bad mouth the organization upon leaving.

you should work for billicheck because you are great at avoiding the real question. No, thats not what you said, you sdaid same ol cards, bidwill being cheap, blah blah blah.

You yourself said cutting dockett is same ol cardinals letting stars leave and being cheap but they you laud New england doing it to a younger guy who is playing better and not coming off an injury. That is nothing short of hypocrisy is all.

Having your cake and eating it to.

 

[BigRedMO]

Seriously, you would have more success arguing with a brick wall. Why even try. Your best bet would be to put him on Ignore and enjoy the rest of your day.

Choosing to respond to a post is a choice. There is no law that everyone has to agree. If you dont agree no one is forcing you to reply. Apparently you have a problem with information that does not fit neatly into your belief system. Somehow it scares you or at least makes you feel uncomfortable. It sends your world out of control and you become hostile to me by advocating that my thoughts be banished. You dont think it is possible to disagree? If you dont agree with what I write then read it it and move on. Based on reaction you cant deny it is striking a nerve. Why is this so? Is there doubt in the back of your mind? I live in a results based world. I dont judge by words. I judge by results. If I judged by words of Arians they would have won Super Bowl.

 

[BigRedMO]

you should work for billicheck because you are great at avoiding the real question. No, thats not what you said, you sdaid same ol cards, bidwill being cheap, blah blah blah.

You yourself said cutting dockett is same ol cardinals letting stars leave and being cheap but they you laud New england doing it to a younger guy who is playing better and not coming off an injury. That is nothing short of hypocrisy is all.

Having your cake and eating it to.

Let me make it clear. I dont know the results of not signing Dockett. I will evaluate based on replacement. Happy?

 

[82CardsGrad]

How many Super Bowls has Kraft won? That entitles him to benefit of the doubt. Big Red embarrassed themselves because they had a third QB who was not ready to play. I hoped Big Red learned the lesson that they need 3 QBs that can play. If Thomas cant fill the role then he needs to be cut or on practice squad. It is called learning from experience. It has not been a Bidwill strong suit.

Seriously? Can you name another team that has 3 QB's that are "ready to play"??

 

[BigRedRage]

Let me make it clear. I dont know the results of not signing Dockett. I will evaluate based on replacement. Happy?

Ed Stinson, Frostee Rucker and possibly Tommy Kelly are his replacement. they all played in his spot last year and played well.

 

[BigRedRage]

Seriously? Can you name another team that has 3 QB's that are "ready to play"??

new england, apparently.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Why dont you give me some idea how much time you are giving Bidwill to produce a Super Bowl win? Is it a blank check? If Big Red never won the Super Bowl or even had three winning seasons in a row would you not evaluate ownership at some point? What is that point for you? The state motto of MO is "The Show-Me State".

21 wins over the past 2 seasons... How many other franchises can make that claim? HINT - you won't need two hands to figure it out.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I am not assessing Dockett deal. I said lets wait and see who is the replacement. Yeah, I admire successful organizations and am much more willing to give them benefit of doubt. It is curious how the Big Red has lots of players including guys who had been there a long time bad mouth the organization upon leaving.

Did Dockett "bad mouth" the organization?? Cuz if he did, I definitely missed it...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What is it with every great player of ours heading to San Francisco in the free agency? First Boldin, now Dockett.. I hope we pick up Michael Crabtree, for a bit of payback.

So I guess the Cards have only had 2 great players? LOL

Also, don't forget Tim MacDonald...One of the best safeties the Cards ever had. He blew town back in the "Same Old Cardinals" "Bidwills Are Cheap" days.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I didn't see a mention of when Dockett protested not getting a new contract along with Anquan Boldin, and the numerous times Dockett made social media issues will ill advised posts/texts/tweets in the initial post. Dockett spitting in a teammate's face. Or that he has called out other players for doing exactly what he just did. The Cardinals offered him a fair deal and Dockett went for more money some where else, and all the while talking about "respect".

Dockett is a 33 year old defensive tackle who had a ridiculously huge cap number, and a player who relies on his quickness and is coming off his 1st major surgery. Thus his best asset has been comprimised.

I liked Dockett as much as the next fan but this is a business, it is extremely rare to see players start and end there contracts with a team, let alone their entire career. But, business is cold. How many pro bowl, all pro, top 100 players, 10 sack seasons, does Dockett have under his name?

As for his claims of "never missed practice, and played hurt", uh, that is his job, and he was paid extremely well for it. I don't think Dockett makes the money he did with the Cardinals any where else in this league, so he is out of line thinking he was no rewarded for his play, and come on, he has had the respect of the fans and the organization for his tenure here. Fans love him, he is used as a media icon on Cardinals swag.

The Cardinals are known for putting a deal on the table for certain players and leaving it on the table as "take it or leave it". Dockett didn't want to take a pay cut so he was released. At that point he was not a Cardinal, he was a free agent and was treated how the Cardinals treat all free agent negotiations, so I guess Dockett wasn't paying attention to that, because it should have been expected the moment he refused a pay cut and hit the market. Again, its a business.

Thus while I very much appreciate Dockett's work and passion and will miss him next year this is the right move formthe Cardinals. It is what a lot of successful teams do in the league.

As for how this effects the field? Leadership? I dunno, when Dansby left there was a concern, and it turned out OK, and Campbell is vocal so there is your leader on the defensive line, and Campbell plays hurt as well.

As for actual play? I was hoping if Dockett did stay around he would back up Ed Stinson who is coming along and played well last year.

As for depth? With all respect to Dockett, I would rather have Tommy Kelly, who was a beast last season.

Finally, calling out Peterson for allowing 1 big run maybe was not the best thing to bring into the conversation. First of all, Peterson is a DB, and it was Marshaun Lynch, who makes a lot of defenders look bad, I watch Dan Williams bounce off Lynch at the beginning of that very same run, and Williams has about 120lbs on Peterson. But, I digress, the point is I can remember A LOT of big run that were right where Dockett was on the defensive line, so when it comes to letting up big runs? Dockett has Peterson beat.

I appreciate the passion for Dockett's tenure with the Cardinals, and respect the original post, and posters opinion, but I don't agree the Dockett deserved better than what he has got during his career with the Cardinals, money or respect wise.

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[Shane]

I didn't see a mention of when Dockett protested not getting a new contract along with Anquan Boldin, and the numerous times Dockett made social media issues will ill advised posts/texts/tweets in the initial post. Dockett spitting in a teammate's face. Or that he has called out other players for doing exactly what he just did. The Cardinals offered him a fair deal and Dockett went for more money some where else, and all the while talking about "respect".

Dockett is a 33 year old defensive tackle who had a ridiculously huge cap number, and a player who relies on his quickness and is coming off his 1st major surgery. Thus his best asset has been comprimised.

I liked Dockett as much as the next fan but this is a business, it is extremely rare to see players start and end there contracts with a team, let alone their entire career. But, business is cold. How many pro bowl, all pro, top 100 players, 10 sack seasons, does Dockett have under his name?

As for his claims of "never missed practice, and played hurt", uh, that is his job, and he was paid extremely well for it. I don't think Dockett makes the money he did with the Cardinals any where else in this league, so he is out of line thinking he was no rewarded for his play, and come on, he has had the respect of the fans and the organization for his tenure here. Fans love him, he is used as a media icon on Cardinals swag.

The Cardinals are known for putting a deal on the table for certain players and leaving it on the table as "take it or leave it". Dockett didn't want to take a pay cut so he was released. At that point he was not a Cardinal, he was a free agent and was treated how the Cardinals treat all free agent negotiations, so I guess Dockett wasn't paying attention to that, because it should have been expected the moment he refused a pay cut and hit the market. Again, its a business.

Thus while I very much appreciate Dockett's work and passion and will miss him next year this is the right move formthe Cardinals. It is what a lot of successful teams do in the league.

As for how this effects the field? Leadership? I dunno, when Dansby left there was a concern, and it turned out OK, and Campbell is vocal so there is your leader on the defensive line, and Campbell plays hurt as well.

As for actual play? I was hoping if Dockett did stay around he would back up Ed Stinson who is coming along and played well last year.

As for depth? With all respect to Dockett, I would rather have Tommy Kelly, who was a beast last season.

Finally, calling out Peterson for allowing 1 big run maybe was not the best thing to bring into the conversation. First of all, Peterson is a DB, and it was Marshaun Lynch, who makes a lot of defenders look bad, I watch Dan Williams bounce off Lynch at the beginning of that very same run, and Williams has about 120lbs on Peterson. But, I digress, the point is I can remember A LOT of big run that were right where Dockett was on the defensive line, so when it comes to letting up big runs? Dockett has Peterson beat.

I appreciate the passion for Dockett's tenure with the Cardinals, and respect the original post, and posters opinion, but I don't agree the Dockett deserved better than what he has got during his career with the Cardinals, money or respect wise.

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Bravo Rugby!!!

 

[az jam]

Excellent post, Rugby!!

 

[cardncubfan]

Seriously, you would have more success arguing with a brick wall. Why even try. Your best bet would be to put him on Ignore and enjoy the rest of your day.

+1

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I didn't see a mention of when Dockett protested not getting a new contract along with Anquan Boldin, and the numerous times Dockett made social media issues will ill advised posts/texts/tweets in the initial post. Dockett spitting in a teammate's face. Or that he has called out other players for doing exactly what he just did. The Cardinals offered him a fair deal and Dockett went for more money some where else, and all the while talking about "respect".

Dockett is a 33 year old defensive tackle who had a ridiculously huge cap number, and a player who relies on his quickness and is coming off his 1st major surgery. Thus his best asset has been comprimised.

I liked Dockett as much as the next fan but this is a business, it is extremely rare to see players start and end there contracts with a team, let alone their entire career. But, business is cold. How many pro bowl, all pro, top 100 players, 10 sack seasons, does Dockett have under his name?

As for his claims of "never missed practice, and played hurt", uh, that is his job, and he was paid extremely well for it. I don't think Dockett makes the money he did with the Cardinals any where else in this league, so he is out of line thinking he was no rewarded for his play, and come on, he has had the respect of the fans and the organization for his tenure here. Fans love him, he is used as a media icon on Cardinals swag.

The Cardinals are known for putting a deal on the table for certain players and leaving it on the table as "take it or leave it". Dockett didn't want to take a pay cut so he was released. At that point he was not a Cardinal, he was a free agent and was treated how the Cardinals treat all free agent negotiations, so I guess Dockett wasn't paying attention to that, because it should have been expected the moment he refused a pay cut and hit the market. Again, its a business.

Thus while I very much appreciate Dockett's work and passion and will miss him next year this is the right move formthe Cardinals. It is what a lot of successful teams do in the league.

As for how this effects the field? Leadership? I dunno, when Dansby left there was a concern, and it turned out OK, and Campbell is vocal so there is your leader on the defensive line, and Campbell plays hurt as well.

As for actual play? I was hoping if Dockett did stay around he would back up Ed Stinson who is coming along and played well last year.

As for depth? With all respect to Dockett, I would rather have Tommy Kelly, who was a beast last season.

Finally, calling out Peterson for allowing 1 big run maybe was not the best thing to bring into the conversation. First of all, Peterson is a DB, and it was Marshaun Lynch, who makes a lot of defenders look bad, I watch Dan Williams bounce off Lynch at the beginning of that very same run, and Williams has about 120lbs on Peterson. But, I digress, the point is I can remember A LOT of big run that were right where Dockett was on the defensive line, so when it comes to letting up big runs? Dockett has Peterson beat.

I appreciate the passion for Dockett's tenure with the Cardinals, and respect the original post, and posters opinion, but I don't agree the Dockett deserved better than what he has got during his career with the Cardinals, money or respect wise.

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Good post

 

[WildBB]

I almost always agree with you but I dont think this is fair. Do i agree with everything you said about choosing the tailspin 49ers and the heading to the penthouse Cards? Absolutely.

But lets be real he wasnt a FA. He had a contract. And because the NFL rules are what they are, they ripped it up and said take less. But when a player outperforms his contract and holds out - hes selfish. The Owners and Goodell got us all on a string and yo yo it back forth.

I get DD feeling disrespected and going to SF to prove a point. He IS more then his production would be in 2015.....JUst like we all acknowledge Fitz means more to the team then 70 cacthes and 900 yards and everyone nearly passed out from patting each other on the back when he resigned ABOVE market value.

And unlike Mitch I dont fault the Cardinals AT ALL. This makes total business sense. The irony is that Mitch brings up the Pats as the standard yet they are KNOWN for being cutthroat and throwing emotions out the door when it comes to every player but Brady. This is actually a positive sign for the Cardinals. They get it. They are not making fan driven moves. They are making WIN NOW moves.

So again there doesnt have to be a bad guy. Dockett can be bent but its more the circumstances then the actual details. Dude is 34 and coming off an ACL injury. Of course the Cardinals are going to cut bait unless he comes on their terms. And he didnt. Ok. Well be fine on the field and Dock will get over it once the emotion wears off.

It is what it is. Businesses are loyal to the point where you don't become a liability. They had a good run together. The players know what the deal is.

Truthfully, I wish he would have signed a one year deal to come back, because that's all he'll wind up with over there anyway, when it's all said and done. Not to be. It's a two way street.

 

[crisper57]

I was ready to roast DD for his actions, but recently I saw an ugly side of my employer and can now totally relate. If loyalty isn't given, it should not be expected.

 

[Darkside]

I was ready to roast DD for his actions, but recently I saw an ugly side of my employer and can now totally relate. If loyalty isn't given, it should not be expected.

I think loyalty should always be given. It's a part of character and you either have it or don't. It shouldn't be predicated on some future return.

To me it's no different than giving, whether to a charity or in some other way. Don't do it for the tax write-off or recognition. If you're a giving person you just are, it's part of your character.

That being said, one should never expect a corporation to have loyalty. Ever. They don't. Perhaps if you do well and increase their bottom line or productivity they'll show signs of loyalty (a bonus, or praise, or promotion) but it's fake loyalty. It's temporary.

True loyalty only comes from close family, the wife, great friends, maybe the dog.

 

[Cardiac]

Seriously, you would have more success arguing with a brick wall. Why even try. Your best bet would be to put him on Ignore and enjoy the rest of your day.

I'm looking forward to the day that everyone understands he is just a troll goof ball and no one quotes or replies to his rants anymore.

 

[Gee!]

Seriously? Can you name another team that has 3 QB's that are "ready to play"??

The Ohio State Buckeyes. Duh

 

[Darkside]

The Ohio State Buckeyes. Duh

Lol, awesome.

 

[Gee!]

I think it is pretty well known I am one of the biggest Dockett fans. I tried a few times to figure out a way that the Cardinals did Dockett wrong. I just cant. Docketts behavior has been bizarre and confusing the past week.. I believe Dockett fabricated the whole "the Cardinals FO **** on me" argument so he could go get more money. That way he couldn't be called out for his Dansby comments last year.. And I love the way our FO isn't feeding into his comments with a reply... We will see you on the field twice next year Dockett..

 

[Shane]

I think it is pretty well known I am one of the biggest Dockett fans. I tried a few times to figure out a way that the Cardinals did Dockett wrong. I just cant. Docketts behavior has been bizarre and confusing the past week.. I believe Dockett fabricated the whole "the Cardinals FO **** on me" argument so he could go get more money. That way he couldn't be called out for his Dansby comments last year.. And I love the way our FO isn't feeding into his comments with a reply... We will see you on the field twice next year Dockett..

 

[NavyVet]

I think it is pretty well known I am one of the biggest Dockett fans. I tried a few times to figure out a way that the Cardinals did Dockett wrong. I just cant. Docketts behavior has been bizarre and confusing the past week.. I believe Dockett fabricated the whole "the Cardinals FO **** on me" argument so he could go get more money. That way he couldn't be called out for his Dansby comments last year.. And I love the way our FO isn't feeding into his comments with a reply... We will see you on the field twice next year Dockett..

This pretty much sums it up

 

[Darkside]

I think it is pretty well known I am one of the biggest Dockett fans. I tried a few times to figure out a way that the Cardinals did Dockett wrong. I just cant. Docketts behavior has been bizarre and confusing the past week.. I believe Dockett fabricated the whole "the Cardinals FO **** on me" argument so he could go get more money. That way he couldn't be called out for his Dansby comments last year.. And I love the way our FO isn't feeding into his comments with a reply... We will see you on the field twice next year Dockett..

I've also raved about Dock. The year after our SB run I was comparing his stats on here to John Randle, because his career stats are very good, though obviously not comparable. The comparison was due to size and their motor.

He was actually a monster when we played a 4-3 or supposed hybrid 4-3. He's not suited to a 3-4 D though. He's undersized for it. I still thought he did well in a 3-4 for what he was asked to do at his size.

I don't think the org screwed him though. They've been moving on for years from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and it took forever, and with each year his effectiveness became less and less.

But I also don't think he's acted strange. It's the pain of a player who knows he's no longer useful to what we want to do.

It has to be hard, for years now, before Horton, with the hybrid defense, knowing they were transitioning, and thinking damn, and getting in shape and changing your skills and trying to adapt, to then go to Horton, sucking it up and trying to adapt, to then going to Bowles, and then trying to train and adapt, just to stay relevant. It's brutal, let's not pretend like it isn't.

With the acquisition of PP and DWash that made the transition to a 3-4 much faster than Dock probably expected.

I just think it's difficult for a player to be phased out and know it's happening and try and try to be relevant but unable to stay relevant. Imagine just a regular Joe, in some job, and they duplicate your position over time, and no matter what you do, for years, it happens, you'd be hurt too if you gave them 10 of your best years, in your prime. It would suck.

I have no ill will, except he went to a division rival. He's a bitch for that. Lol.