Does Byrnes deserve a multi year deal right now?

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Upton moving back to the infield would be an absolute shock and it goes against everything those in the Diamondback organization have said over the last couple years. Carlos Gonzalez until the last month or so had really been struggling in Mobile, and he's still not at the level that one would want to see him at. He certainly is not MLB ready right now and probably won't be for at least another year. As for Jamie D'Antona, he just doesn't have the glove to be a utility infielder, so his window of opportunity to stick in the majors isn't very big.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Upton moving back to the infield would be an absolute shock and it goes against everything those in the Diamondback organization have said over the last couple years. Carlos Gonzalez until the last month or so had really been struggling in Mobile, and he's still not at the level that one would want to see him at. He certainly is not MLB ready right now and probably won't be for at least another year. As for Jamie D'Antona, he just doesn't have the glove to be a utility infielder, so his window of opportunity to stick in the majors isn't very big.

I think it was an absolute shock to convert him from a SS to an OF in the first place, however, he's proven this season that any type of obstacle doesn't detract away from him in other facets of the game (which unfortunately has happened to many). Therefore, returning him back to the middle IF shouldn't pose to be a major shock to the system since it seems Upton is invincible.

I'd rather have CarGo or D'Antona up now than Hairston. At least D'Antona is thriving offensively and I believe he can continue his assault at the ML level. Why keep Hairston? Yes, he's out-of-options, but he definitely needs a change of scenery. He's still a defensive liability and continues to swing at the first pitch or pull off the ball. True, he hasn't committed too many errors, but still makes the wrong turn on routine fly-balls and constantly misses the cut-off man. Yes, he's still not an OF, but lord, at least he does better there than 2nd base, but of course that's not saying much.

I'd rather have a defensive liability that can hit like D'Antona opposed to a player similar to Hairston he performs way beneath his natural potential in every area.

CarGO will be the type who excels more at the ML level than he ever has in the Minors. I think he will prove his worth and distance himself ahead most of all that have gone before him (meaning Quentin, CoJack, and Drew).

 

[DWKB]

Eric Byrnes is looking for a Gary Matthew's Jr (5/$50) or Juan Pierre (5/$44) type of contract. So if you consider re-signing him you HAVE to use those kinds of numbers (meaning 1 year to 3 year talk is useless).
If we keep Byrnes to the end of the year he leaves as a type A FA and we get two draft picks compensation for him. Two early draft picks is definitely not "nothing", but if some crazy offer comes across JB's desk then you've got to pull the trigger.
Aside from that, Byrnes will finish out the season as a DBack and be allowed to leave for another club at the end of the year with the FO getting to save face by saying "we wanted him back but we couldn't afford him at that price". or some such.

 

[DWKB]

CarGO will be the type who excels more at the ML level than he ever has in the Minors. I think he will prove his worth and distance himself ahead most of all that have gone before him (meaning Quentin, CoJack, and Drew).

What makes you say this? He's shown no ability or desire to learn the game beyond his natural ability. He has no discretion on which pitches to swing at and he's a horrible baserunner. I'm not saying he won't be a MLB player, but to make such a statement that seems to contradict everything I've seen and heard about this kid is odd to me.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

What makes you say this? He's shown no ability or desire to learn the game beyond his natural ability. He has no discretion on which pitches to swing at and he's a horrible baserunner. I'm not saying he won't be a MLB player, but to make such a statement that seems to contradict everything I've seen and heard about this kid is odd to me.

It's really an observation/matter of opinion that really doesn't have to be justified.

I've had these types of instincts on certain players before and have been proven right more than wrong. We shall see. If I'm wrong, then you're welcomed to blast me then and by all means.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I think it was an absolute shock to convert him from a SS to an OF in the first place, however, he's proven this season that any type of obstacle doesn't detract away from him in other facets of the game (which unfortunately has happened to many). Therefore, returning him back to the middle IF shouldn't pose to be a major shock to the system since it seems Upton is invincible.

I'd rather have CarGo or D'Antona up now than Hairston. At least D'Antona is thriving offensively and I believe he can continue his assault at the ML level. Why keep Hairston? Yes, he's out-of-options, but he definitely needs a change of scenery. He's still a defensive liability and continues to swing at the first pitch or pull off the ball. True, he hasn't committed too many errors, but still makes the wrong turn on routine fly-balls and constantly misses the cut-off man. Yes, he's still not an OF, but lord, at least he does better there than 2nd base, but of course that's not saying much.

I'd rather have a defensive liability that can hit like D'Antona opposed to a player similar to Hairston he performs way beneath his natural potential in every area.

CarGO will be the type who excels more at the ML level than he ever has in the Minors. I think he will prove his worth and distance himself ahead most of all that have gone before him (meaning Quentin, CoJack, and Drew).

Scouts had been pointing out that Upton's best position would be center field (and that due to his size and footwork being a middle infielder would probably be a stretch) a year before he was even drafted, so to suggest that it was a shock doesn't fit. As for Carlos Gonzalez, having a player scuffle around a bit in AA only to be called up to the bigs and have the light go on is really rare.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Scouts had been pointing out that Upton's best position would be center field (and that due to his size and footwork being a middle infielder would probably be a stretch) a year before he was even drafted, so to suggest that it was a shock doesn't fit. As for Carlos Gonzalez, having a player scuffle around a bit in AA only to be called up to the bigs and have the light go on is really rare.

Pujols and Cabrera toiled around in A ball and were called directly up to the show, with neither looking back from there.

Yes, it is rare but it's not impossible.

And yes, I'm 100 percent on the CarGo bandwagon.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Pujols and Cabrera toiled around in A ball and were called directly up to the show, with neither looking back from there.

Yes, it is rare but it's not impossible.

And yes, I'm 100 percent on the CarGo bandwagon.

I wouldn't say Pujols "toiled" as in his only minor league season he hit a collective .314/.378/.543 across three teams. Cabrera was hitting .365/.429/.609 in AA before getting his call-up. Neither one was really struggling like Gonzalez has been for most of the season.

 

[Nasser22]

Looks like they are stopping negotiations with Byrnes. The Suns and D-Backs are really pissing me off lately.

 

[PoolBoy]

not resigning byrnes would be completely wrong. we have to reward him for all he's given to this team.

 

[green machine]

not resigning byrnes would be completely wrong. we have to reward him for all he's given to this team.

No they don't. He's given two years of play, one average, one above average half so far. But to think the team owes him is how teams get themselves into trouble by overpaying guys who aren't worth their contracts.

Byrnes is a nice enough player, but he's nowhere near worth the amount of money and years that I'm sure he is asking for.

 

[Dback Jon]

No they don't. He's given two years of play, one average, one above average half so far. But to think the team owes him is how teams get themselves into trouble by overpaying guys who aren't worth their contracts.

Byrnes is a nice enough player, but he's nowhere near worth the amount of money and years that I'm sure he is asking for.

Byrnes is a good player, I would love for the Dbacks to resign him, but not at 8/9 million a year he is asking for.