Don't get too attached to those picks

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
Ditto for Perovic. The Suns already have a project center in Lampe. They don't need another.

Hold on now- Perovic is ten times the player Lampe is right now.

Suns should take the best player available regardless of his position. Howard, Okafor, Perovic look like good candidates to me.

 

[slinslin]

And how often did you see Lampe or Perovic play to make such a statement?

Btw, most UofA fans are 100% sure that Andre Iguodala will leave the Wildcats after this season and believe that he will be the best Arizona sports athlete.

 

[Jerry Colengelo]

Your absolutely spot on there Slin with your assement.

I agree. Andre Iguodala is something else. I've known Andre on a personal level for a while now (grew up on the same block on Chi Town) and he is a very decent and down to earth young man. He's a class act. And still keeps in contact with the ole posse.

 

[SirStefan32]

You're a creep Jerry. What's up with the signature? That's not very nice to one of our posters here, and you are using Mulder's and Scully's name in vain. That's not cool. Get a life.

Slin, I've seen Lampe play twice, and Perovic seven times. How many times have you seen either one of them play?

Stefan

 

[Jerry Colengelo]

Look at her sig. It was a joke man. you must be a real boring dude... among others in here. It's like a old man's club in here sometimes. Petty little arguments... name calling. Everyone thinks they know everything... SOME not all... come here just to complain.

It's pathetic.


Lighten up G Fresh.

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by SirStefan32

Slin, I've seen Lampe play twice, and Perovic seven times. How many times have you seen either one of them play?

Does that matter? I am not judging.

We shouldn't get another foreign born player that needs to devellop and isn't ready, especially not an 18 year old.

 

[SirStefan32]

Thank you for changing your signature.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by slinslin
Does that matter? I am not judging.

We shouldn't get another foreign born player that needs to devellop and isn't ready, especially not an 18 year old.

I never said Perovic is THE best player in the draft. I said we need to draft the best player available regardless of his position. Never said we need to draft Perovic.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
I I see, is that the draft really isn't that impressive.

People usually feel this way in January and they usually change their minds in June.
But this year may be the exception.
I'm not impressed either from this year's draft.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by SirStefan32

Slin, I've seen Lampe play twice, and Perovic seven times. How many times have you seen either one of them play?

Stefan

SirStefan, what is your opinion about Lampe and especially Perovic?
Could you give us please a scouting report about them?

 

[sunsfn]

I would be interested in that info from sirstefan also.

If the suns have a pick 5-? they may be interested in Pavel Podkolzine. He is 7' 5" and 300 pounds.

Not sure he would be who we want but NBA draft has him in the 2nd place right now.

These places will change many times before the draft such as David Harrison has dropped off the charts right now.

Has anyone saw Podkolzine play??
I read somewhere he was not playing much right now. I guess his draft thing is strictly on "POTENTIAL".

 

[fordronken]

I've come to the realization that rooting for certain players to be picked by the Suns is futile, and now I just trust them and expect the player drafted, whoever it is, to do well.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by sunsfn

Has anyone saw Podkolzine play??
I read somewhere he was not playing much right now. I guess his draft thing is strictly on "POTENTIAL".

Sounds like Zarko Cabarkapa at this time last year, doesn't it?

 

[slinslin]

Zarko did get playing time and was much more mature than Pavel.

I heard some really bad things from italien basketball fans about Pavel. He is really just riding the bench and is really raw.

I think he is a bust waiting to happen and by far the biggest project in the whole draft.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Hold on now- Perovic is ten times the player Lampe is right now.

Suns should take the best player available regardless of his position. Howard, Okafor, Perovic look like good candidates to me.

nbadraft.net has Podkolzine as their #2 pick and rank Perovic #11. HoopsHype has Peovic at #3 and Podkolzine at #5. About has Podkolzine at #4 and Peovic at #6. InsideHoops has Podkolzine at #3 and Peovic at #4.

It seems like the Suns have a reasonable probability that one of these two is going to be available for their first pick. Since all we are using is scouting reports, it is hard to even guess how far along either are.

The following is the nbadraft.net profile of Peovic:


NBA Comparison: Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Strengths: Huge. Towers over opponents. Has soft hands and is excellent at putting back missed shots. A very good passer out of the post. Works his tail off on the court...A decent shot blocker, because of his gigantic size. Nimble on his feet and seems to really love the game. Has a very big upside.

Weaknesses: Has a very limited offensive game. Points come off putbacks and short jumpers. Needs to really develop a back to the basket game to become effective. Kosta also depends on his height for rebounds and not positioning...footwork overall needs work. Defensively everything is based off his size. Over time he will learn the nuances of the game and become much more effective. Notes: Seems to get better with every game. Looks intelligent and most of all "You can't teach height."…If he develops an offensive game, watch out.

-Savneet Singh



nbadraft.net

 

[F-Dog]

I don't like Podkolzine or Chiriaev at all. To use a baseball analogy, those guys are 'tools' players, whose 'talent' doesn't seem to transfer to effective play in games or even practices.

The likelihood of someone like that becoming a star NBA player is very low.



The Suns have gotten lucky: they've picked three players in the last two drafts that have skills and tools. When they have to choose, though, the Suns choose skilled players over mere athletes, and that's worked very well for them so far.


BTW, I seriously doubt that Podkolzine is drafted anywhere close to the top 3, despite what the scouting services say. He couldn't get into the top 10 last year (despite being graded as a consensus 'top 5'), and what has changed for him since then?

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by F-Dog
I don't like Podkolzine or Chiriaev at all. To use a baseball analogy, those guys are 'tools' players, whose 'talent' doesn't seem to transfer to effective play in games or even practices.

The likelihood of someone like that becoming a star NBA player is very low.



The Suns have gotten lucky: they've picked three players in the last two drafts that have skills and tools. When they have to choose, though, the Suns choose skilled players over mere athletes, and that's worked very well for them so far.


BTW, I seriously doubt that Podkolzine is drafted anywhere close to the top 3, despite what the scouting services say. He couldn't get into the top 10 last year (despite being graded as a consensus 'top 5'), and what has changed for him since then?

I agree. I was slightly more interested in him prior to the Suns getting Lampe, but I expect he could take years to be useful if ever.

 

[SirStefan32]

Hcsilla and Sunsfan,

Lampe is pretty much unknown player in Europe. All I could see is that he has a very nice jumper. He's still a kid, so it's very difficult to predict how tall he is going to get, how much weight he is going to be able to put on, etc. Right now, it looks like he'll be too slow to guard 3's and not strong enough to guard 4's and 5's.

I am very familiar with Perovic, I talked to several people who know him personally, and many people who watched him play for a couple of years now, (first with Beopetrol, and then with Partizan.)

I haven't read any scouting reports on him, so I am just going by what I've seen and what I've been told by people in Serbia who follow Perovic and other players there.

First of all, Perovic doesn't get much PT. Now, he is very tall, not too skiny, though he could use extra 25 lb, and he has a huge wingspan. He is much better defensively than offensively right now.

He has a decent J, limited low post moves, don't count on him scoring 10 ppg for a few years. He scores his points by either hitting an open jumper, or grabbing an offensive rebound.

He is a good shot blocker, he is relatively athletic for his size, very coordinated, and the best passer I've seen since Sabonis and Divac were young.

The question is- do you want somebody who can contribute right now, or do you want to wait for three, four, possibly five years.

This kid will be a special player but he is not going to be a factor for a number of years, eventhough some are saying he learns very quickly and keeps getting better and better every day.

As far as Pavel Podkolzine goes, I would not touch him with a ten foot pool. He is an accident waiting to happen. He has weak ankles, and he keeps getting heavier and heavier, and that's not a good combination.

Stefan

 

[slinslin]

Even if Podkolzine could become a decent NBA player he would never fit in with the Suns.

The Suns want to run more again and there is no way a massive 7'5 stiff would fit into that scheme except maybe Yao Ming who is totally different from Podkolzine.

Tsakalidis was too slow even with Stephon Marbury playing point and walking the ball up the court.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
nbadraft.net has Podkolzine as their #2 pick and rank Perovic #11. HoopsHype has Peovic at #3 and Podkolzine at #5. About has Podkolzine at #4 and Peovic at #6. InsideHoops has Podkolzine at #3 and Peovic at #4.

It seems like the Suns have a reasonable probability that one of these two is going to be available for their first pick. Since all we are using is scouting reports, it is hard to even guess how far along either are.

The following is the nbadraft.net profile of Peovic:


NBA Comparison: Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Strengths: Huge. Towers over opponents. Has soft hands and is excellent at putting back missed shots. A very good passer out of the post. Works his tail off on the court...A decent shot blocker, because of his gigantic size. Nimble on his feet and seems to really love the game. Has a very big upside.

Weaknesses: Has a very limited offensive game. Points come off putbacks and short jumpers. Needs to really develop a back to the basket game to become effective. Kosta also depends on his height for rebounds and not positioning...footwork overall needs work. Defensively everything is based off his size. Over time he will learn the nuances of the game and become much more effective. Notes: Seems to get better with every game. Looks intelligent and most of all "You can't teach height."…If he develops an offensive game, watch out.

-Savneet Singh



nbadraft.net

Sounds accurate to me.

 

[slinslin]

Patrick Femerling was kind of dominating Perovic in the euroleague which makes Perovic look pretty bad because Femerling is a center as soft as they come. A typical european center with limited mobility.

Lampe was probably unknown but it is not like Perovic is known in europe either.

Perovic sounds to me like a poor man's Darko. He is averaging 7ppg 4rpg 0.7bpg in 22mpg in the euroleague on a team where Vujanic averaged 26ppg the year before.

I doubt anyone can say anything about his defense right now because the difference between NBA big guys and european centers is like night and day.

I wonder where you saw Lampe play because it is almost impossible to get video footage from him in europe because he played on Real Madrid's junior team.

He hasn't played in a NBA game and in summerleague and preseason he was impressive.

He looks definately has the size to guard 4s and 5s and looks pretty strong.


Personally I see Lampe as our future starting Center right now so there is no way I would want a euro project who will most likely devellop the same arsenal of moves.

Better get someone who resembles David Robinson and not Zydrunas Ilgauskas which is what he is widely regarded as.


Right now we have Lampe, White, Voshkul at center for next season and I think there is a good chance of Divac coming for one season. So there is really no need there unless you can get someone who can start right away and contribute.

The only advantage I would see in drafting Perovic would be to keep him in europe for a year and save the money for the offseason.

We already have Barbosa, Vujanic, Lampe, Zarko. Add Divac and it makes almost 50% of the active roster made up by foreign born players. I think it might hurt the mix of players, chemistry and FA recruiting if you add all these international players one after another.

We already have talented players that can become stars or should become stars. While we need to draft the best player available , we should also make safe picks because we can use role players just as well.

 

[slinslin]

Besides all this, Lampe was the MVP of the european junior championships in 2003 and Perovic is only 2 weeks younger than Lampe.

And his games were impressive. He had a 25/18 game a 22/8 at the halftime, 29/14/4/2.

 

[Joe Mama]

Does anybody else find it strange that NBADraft.net is comparing Perovic, whose strength is defense and weakness is offense, to Illgauskus?

Joe Mama

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Does anybody else find it strange that NBADraft.net is comparing Perovic, whose strength is defense and weakness is offense, to Illgauskus?

Joe Mama

I do.

Based on those scouting reports Perovic seems to be the more athletic, skinny and intelligent version of Greg Ostertag.

Thanks, SirStefan!

 

[slinslin]

Lampe averages 22ppg 13rpg 2apg
Perovic averages 17.5ppg 7.8rpg - Perovic doesn't even show up among the assist leaders

Kind of ironic , I thought he was the best passing big man since Divac and Sabonis?

Lampe's and Perovic' teams finished tied and Lampe wins MVP honors.
Perovic played with many young players that are considered top prospects.
Russia won the tournament.