Chaplin
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George O'Brien said:In any case, neither is likely to be a Suns next season.
You forgot the "IMO".
George O'Brien said:In any case, neither is likely to be a Suns next season.
Mainstreet said:That's why I don't want the Suns to mortgage the farm for him.
You missed the most important difference between Kobe and T-Mac. Kobe has proven the ability to produce in championship games. Know one knows if T-Mac is the kind of star that wilts when the pressure is on or thrives. With Kobe we know.
Mainstreet said:That's precisely the point I'm trying to make. That's why I do not want the Suns to mortgage the farm to get him.
Also I viewed Kobe early on talent wise (even before the Lakers even won a championship) possibly the closest thing to a Michael Jordan clone. T-Mac is a very, very talented player but I do not view him in the same light.
Let's agree to disagree.![]()
Chaplin said:Boy, you really love Shawn Marion, don't you? Right now, at best, Marion is our #2 player. I don't consider trading our 2nd option for an automatic first option "mortgaging the farm".
Marion is a fine player, and when he's on, he's terrific, but McGrady is in a whole other category.
George O'Brien said:It's nice to haer from a really strong Shawn Marion fan, but I agree that T-Mac is more valuable than Marion. My concern is that the Suns don't have enough extra to offer to make up for the difference without strip mining the team.
Mainstreet said:Yes, I'm not conviced Tracy is that much better.
I'd like to know your reasons for this.
Chaplin said:Did TMac go through huge chunks of the season of being totally ineffective? I don't think he did.
Shawn Marion, however, that's another story.
sly fly said:I'm so damn sick of seeing Shawn Marion's stats.
INFLATED.
My book on Marion:
- Quick jumper
- Below-average court vision.
- Avoids contact on the finish.
- Tireless defender.
- Will bite on the pump fake.
- Overplays a bit weak side D. Susceptible to backdoor.
- Likes the corner 3. Pretty effective.
- Too inconsistant from the 3 spots to be considered a threat.
- Above-average FT.
- Does not get to the line enough.
- Likes the angle with the ball in his hands.
- Avoids dribbling to the hole. Would rather pull up from 10-15.
- Scorer, not a shooter.
Solid, complimentary player. Expected a bit more development after his first 3 seasons. Seems to have taken a step back. Players better when the expectations aren't so high. Great addition to the Olympic team.
SunCardfan said:Better than Barkley![]()
Errntknght said:Well, back to reality. Marion is the pivotal guy as I see it - as long as he hangs out on the perimeter this team will never amount to much. I don't think he'll change voluntarily and there's no evidence that the coach thinks that way so I hope they trade him and get a 3 that plays like a 3. I'd rather trade the coach but we're stuck with D'
for a couple of years, so I'll hope for something that might happen and would force his hand.
Chaplin said:I won't get into your tired arguement about D'Antoni's coaching, but as for Shawn Marion, though, the fact that he hangs out at the perimeter is a crystal clear reason why he can't create his own shot. The only time he DOES create his own shot is when he drives, and let's face it, those shots are very quick, thanks in part to his speed, but also because he just throws them up there. How often is Shawn Marion double-teamed? How often does he go down into the low post?
Tracy McGrady, however, scores 28 points per game against constant double- and something TRIPLE-teams. And yet he STILL scores. Creating your own shot can undoubtedly lead to selfishness, as we have seen with Kobe from time-to-time, but it also leads to wins, which is what all this talking is all about, right?
Unfortunately, there are some that don't care about wins, and just would like to see this group "develop". Sure it'd be nice to see our young guys mature and find out if they are any good, but many people have lost sight of the ultimate goal: To win an NBA championship.
And Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant would put us much closer to that reality. That's just a fact, one that I'm all for attaining at this point, even if it means sacrificing a solid complimentary player like Shawn Marion.
elindholm said:BTW, the question of including JJ is not one of should. The Suns simply won't.
That could well be. But if, hypothetically, the Magic were so high on Johnson that they'd include a Howard/Eisley swap -- in other words, McGrady/Howard for Marion/Johnson/Eisley/pick/whatever -- I sure hope the Suns would consider it. Howard's contract goes on forever, but it's fairly affordable and he has been a reliable, solid player throughout his career.